Re: [Flightgear-devel] C172P Panel now hacked
On Sunday 19 December 2004 02:08, Dave Martin wrote: I've done most of what I intended with the 172P now except for the landing/taxi lights on the wing (I'm having to learn a lot to get something looking good). I wanted everything to 'just work' so I re-added the alpha-layers to the textures which were transparent (you could see the panel thru the wings, seats, tail etc). Also added back the flap textures so you now see the ribs. In doing the interior texture I discovered that due to the panel sharing a texture with the interior, adding the alpha back made the panel invisible. So, I duplicated the interior texture with no alpha and applied that to just the panel and then applied the second texture to the interior with the alpha - This works fine, now the controls do not show the instruments behind. However - this is a bit of a 'hack' - is it acceptable? I guess that it's acceptable for now, but the proper thing to do would be to rearrange the object hierarchy so that they get drawn in the right order. I tried to do this, but it seems that you can not reference the included 2d panel by it's name tag. When you start up with the default C172 you get a warning that PanelInstruments and ControlsGroup objects are not found. PanelInstruments is of course the 2d panel, but when it's later used to group objects together it can not be found. Maybe it's time to make 3d instruments for the C172 instead of using the 2d panel hack? Also, I've reworked the panel instrument locations and controls so they are now proportionally correct compared to a real 172. Looking forward to try it out ;-) -- Roy Vegard Ovesen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] OT:New autoreplay on the user list
When I posted on the user list I got an automatic replay from Mark Pate today. Are anyone else getting this too? BTW: I'm still getting replays from [EMAIL PROTECTED] when posting on the user list. Curt, could you remove this user from the list? It does not seem like he is following the discussions. -- Roy Vegard Ovesen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH][RFC] c172 stall horn fix(?)
After a discussion on irc://irc.flightgear.org/#flightgear and reading an old thread http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:www.mail-archive.com+%22stall+horn I think that a patch like the following would be advisable. It turns the stall horn off on ground if all wheels are on ground and the wind speed is below 10 kt (arbitrary number). Under these conditions one would assume that the low pressure conditions for the sensor are not fulfilled. (Rationale: the whining stall horn on parked/stopped aircrafts is reportedly not realistic and pretty annoying, too. :-) m. RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/c172/c172-sound.xml,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -p -r1.18 c172-sound.xml --- c172-sound.xml 5 Dec 2004 10:23:13 - 1.18 +++ c172-sound.xml 19 Dec 2004 11:33:00 - @@ -205,7 +205,18 @@ modelooped/mode pathSounds/stall.wav/path condition -property/sim/alarms/stall-warning/property +and + property/sim/alarms/stall-warning/property + greater-than + property/velocities/airspeed-kt/property + value10/value + /greater-than + not + property/gear/gear[0]/wow/property + property/gear/gear[1]/wow/property + property/gear/gear[2]/wow/property + /not +/and !-- property/sim/current-view/internal/property -- /condition volume ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH][RFC] c172 stall horn fix(?)
Melchior FRANZ wrote: After a discussion on irc://irc.flightgear.org/#flightgear and reading an old thread http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:www.mail-archive.com+%22stall+horn I think that a patch like the following would be advisable. It turns the stall horn off on ground if all wheels are on ground and the wind speed is below 10 kt (arbitrary number). Under these conditions one would assume that the low pressure conditions for the sensor are not fulfilled. (Rationale: the whining stall horn on parked/stopped aircrafts is reportedly not realistic and pretty annoying, too. :-) Seems reasonable to me. Committed. Thanks. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] fgLoadAircraft
What is the status of fgLoadAircraft in aircraft.cxx? Was it ever actually used and if so what was it's functional state? At the moment it's just dead code - it's not called from anywhere. Regards Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgLoadAircraft
Paul Surgeon a écrit : What is the status of fgLoadAircraft in aircraft.cxx? Was it ever actually used and if so what was it's functional state? At the moment it's just dead code - it's not called from anywhere. As far as I understand the source, it is bound to the load-aircraft command. So I guess that it is intended to be called from an xml file, presumably a menu or a dialog. Maybe Erik can elaborate because CVS annotate reports his name in front of the function : http://cvs.flightgear.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/source/src/Aircraft/aircraft.cxx?annotate=1.12cvsroot=FlightGear-0.9 The comment of rev 1.2 is : A first stab at an aircraft selection dialog -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgLoadAircraft
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Paul Surgeon a écrit : What is the status of fgLoadAircraft in aircraft.cxx? Was it ever actually used and if so what was it's functional state? At the moment it's just dead code - it's not called from anywhere. As far as I understand the source, it is bound to the load-aircraft command. So I guess that it is intended to be called from an xml file, presumably a menu or a dialog. Maybe Erik can elaborate because CVS annotate reports his name in front of the function : http://cvs.flightgear.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/source/src/Aircraft/aircraft.cxx?annotate=1.12cvsroot=FlightGear-0.9 The comment of rev 1.2 is : A first stab at an aircraft selection dialog I couldn't figure out the proper initialization order after loading of the aircraft. I never looked at it again after that. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT:New autoreplay on the user list
On Sunday 19 December 2004 11:24, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: When I posted on the user list I got an automatic replay from Mark Pate today. Are anyone else getting this too? BTW: I'm still getting replays from [EMAIL PROTECTED] when posting on the user list. Curt, could you remove this user from the list? It does not seem like he is following the discussions. Yep - I got one from Mark Pate as well as from White_Wind. I've started filtering them. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgLoadAircraft
On Sunday, 19 December 2004 19:24, Frederic Bouvier wrote: As far as I understand the source, it is bound to the load-aircraft command. So I guess that it is intended to be called from an xml file, presumably a menu or a dialog. Thanks, I missed that part. I'll give it a whirl and see what goes *bang*. :) Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 20:54, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2004 19:46, Dave Martin wrote: Any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated :-) The Compass is invisible from outside. You can fix this by adding a name tag to the part where the compass model gets included, and then adding it to the bottom of the InteriorGroup group, around line 330 in Models/c172p.xml. When you can see the compass from the outside you will see that it floats in mid air over the glareshield, so you might want to move it down a bit. Also the instruments are floating a few cm from the panel, this is evident when you look at it at an angle. You can remove the PanelInstruments and ControlsGroup warnings if you remove all references to PanelInstruments in Models/c172p.xml. It is still possible to see the instruments through the nav- and beacon-lights. But I guess this is something that has to be fixed in the code. Cheers, I'll have a look at those points. I noticed the instrument lights showing through but they don't have a texture so my trick with the panel wont work. :( Also of note; the panel being too far out means that I've totally mucked up my geometries :-S Oh well, my own fault ;) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
On Sunday 19 December 2004 22:32, Dave Martin wrote: Also of note; the panel being too far out means that I've totally mucked up my geometries :-S Oh well, my own fault ;) Note that I'm talking about the 2d instrument panel that is included, _not_ the panel in the 3d model. It should be quite easy to get the x-coordinate right for the 2d instrument panel. Simply set it to the same as the x-coordinate for any vertex on the panel face. -- Roy Vegard Ovesen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
Screen shot? :-) Jon If you'd like to try the c172p you can grab it here: http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p.tar.gz (extract in your /data/Aircraft folder but back-up your existing 172p first! ;) ) Any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated :-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Kim Kommando
In case anyone is interested, FlightGear was listed as Kim Kommando's cool site of the day in her weekly newsletter. This generated about 10x the normal traffic our web site gets and a *ton* of people downloading and trying FlightGear. We might want to keep our eyes open for new users on the mailing lists and do our best to be especially nice. :-) http://www.komando.com Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 21:36, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2004 22:32, Dave Martin wrote: Also of note; the panel being too far out means that I've totally mucked up my geometries :-S Oh well, my own fault ;) Note that I'm talking about the 2d instrument panel that is included, _not_ the panel in the 3d model. It should be quite easy to get the x-coordinate right for the 2d instrument panel. Simply set it to the same as the x-coordinate for any vertex on the panel face. I follow you; but the reason that the geometry is wrong is due to the instrument sizes (ie: they appeared larger when closer to you). So I've repositioned them all anyway - looks better to my eye now and a comparison with my large-scale photo of my friends 'P' cockpit looks pretty accurate. :-) I've changed the wingtips slightly now (the nav-lights will need totally re-doing but that can wait till the landing+taxi lights get started). I've uploaded the fixes: http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p.tar.gz On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 22:03, Jon Berndt wrote: Screen shot? :-) Jon Coming up shortly :) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 22:03, Jon Berndt wrote: Screen shot? :-) Jon Here we are: (screenshots) http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p1.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p2.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p3.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p4.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p5.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p6.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p7.jpg But you really need to try the model to see how I've really changed it. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 21:36, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2004 22:32, Dave Martin wrote: Also of note; the panel being too far out means that I've totally mucked up my geometries :-S Oh well, my own fault ;) Note that I'm talking about the 2d instrument panel that is included, _not_ the panel in the 3d model. It should be quite easy to get the x-coordinate right for the 2d instrument panel. Simply set it to the same as the x-coordinate for any vertex on the panel face. Mean to say that I also made the compass visible; you're instructions were great, I'd never have figured out how to do it ;) I've also slightly embedded to compass into the dash as it looks quite realistic like that as if it is sat on the fairing. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Kim Kommando
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:07:33 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In case anyone is interested, FlightGear was listed as Kim Kommando's cool site of the day in her weekly newsletter. This generated about 10x the normal traffic our web site gets and a *ton* of people downloading and trying FlightGear. We might want to keep our eyes open for new users on the mailing lists and do our best to be especially nice. :-) http://www.komando.com ..huh? Url? I tried her search, I found nothing there. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Kim Kommando
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 22:40, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:07:33 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In case anyone is interested, FlightGear was listed as Kim Kommando's cool site of the day in her weekly newsletter. This generated about 10x the normal traffic our web site gets and a *ton* of people downloading and trying FlightGear. We might want to keep our eyes open for new users on the mailing lists and do our best to be especially nice. :-) http://www.komando.com ..huh? Url? I tried her search, I found nothing there. I'd guess she has an e:mail newsletter; that probably isn't on the site. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
Pretty! Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Martin Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:03 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 22:03, Jon Berndt wrote: Screen shot? :-) Jon Here we are: (screenshots) http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p1.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p2.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p3.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p4.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p5.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p6.jpg http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p7.jpg But you really need to try the model to see how I've really changed it. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Software Patents.
Many of you are probably aware that the EU Council is trying to press through a draconian directive on EU software patents on Tuesday during a meeting of the Agriculture and Fisheries commision of all things. Anyway - I just received from the FFII: Dear FFII supporter [1], Please help us to stop EU Agriculture Ministers from taking a dreadful step towards software patents. This Tuesday the EU Ministers of Agriculture will be asked to vote through the Council's software patents directive text as an agenda A-item, without discussion, even though there no longer exists a qualified majority of countries in favour of it. [2] The Council text imposes unlimited patentability, with several layers of defences against any attempt at limitation. If this text text is adopted, it will be difficult to achieve a reasonable directive at a later stage of the co-decision procedure. Please help to make your Minister of Agriculture aware of the very real choice he/she has to make in the Agriculture Council on Tuesday. Please place the Please place the Open Letter http://demo.ffii.org/letter.html or the Banner http://demo.ffii.org/banner.html on your most important web page(s). Add your support to the wiki page http://demo.ffii.org/support.php This also points to pages where you may share the contact addresses of your ministry and letters already faxed to ministers of agriculture and environment. If enough supporters participate, then the story will reach media and the news will spread. Your agricultural minister then can be more easily convinced that his/her resistance is worth the effort. With kind regards, -- Gérald Sédrati-Dinet, Jonas Maebe, Felix Klee, James Heald, Peter Gerwinski, Holger Blasum, Hartmut Pilch [1] Login as dmartind in http://aktiv.ffii.org/ [2] http://kwiki.ffii.org/ConsRevers04En If you feel that Software Patents in Europe are a bad thing (and / or we are being led up the garden path by the EU council) you can at least jot your name on the Wiki above to show support. Thanks (and sorry if it seems a bit spammy but I'm furious about this). ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
That will be nice. Ampere On December 19, 2004 05:03 pm, Jon Berndt wrote: Screen shot? :-) Jon If you'd like to try the c172p you can grab it here: http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p.tar.gz (extract in your /data/Aircraft folder but back-up your existing 172p first! ;) ) Any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated :-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS error msg
Curtis L. Olson wrote: John Wojnaroski wrote: Hi Curtis, When you have a moment. I may have sent this to you yesterday from one of my other machines, but can't find a copy. If a dup, my apologies. In file included from ../../src/Cockpit/panel.hxx:50, from ../../src/Cockpit/cockpit.hxx:36, from main.cxx:61: ../../src/Input/input.hxx: In method `const class SGPropertyNode * FGBinding::getArg()': ../../src/Input/input.hxx:123: warning: choosing `SGPropertyNode_ptr::operator SGPropertyNode *()' over `SGPropertyNode_ptr::operator const SGPropertyNode *() const' ../../src/Input/input.hxx:123: warning: for conversion from `SGPropertyNode_ptr' to `const SGPropertyNode *' ../../src/Input/input.hxx:123: warning: because conversion sequence for the argument is better main.cxx: In function `bool fgMainInit(int, char **)': main.cxx:759: assuming on overloaded member function make[2]: *** [main.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Kind of lost on this one... Kind of lost on this one too ... I think this might be Andy Ross's code so he might be a good one to ask. What compiler version are you using? Curt. Running 2.95.4... Andy, if you're listening, any ideas. If this is due to using an older compiler, should there be a test in to check for that? Regards John W. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
