RE: [Flightgear-devel] Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Richard Bytheway

 I have the same problem with Main/renderer.cxx. Your solution 
 (or one very
 like it) solves the problem. I guess near/far are reserved 
 words in Cygwin?
 Thereafter, FGFS compiles and runs under Cygwin. 
 
 I'm not using Andy's libs, but those built by Norman, with a couple of
 tweaks which have been listed recently (although these may not now be
 needed, since OpenAl has reportedly fixed the problems). Your 
 errors seem to
 be lib-related so perhaps the solution lies there. Norman's libs are
 available at:  
 
 ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/openal_cyg.tgz
 
 Regards,
 
 Vivian
 
 

Thanks for the pointer to the Norman's libs. I had been looking for those but 
could not find them anywhere.

It appears that it is working now. How are Andy's libs meant to be used?

One point I have discovered, is that (on Cygwin at least) the shortcut to your 
home directory, ~/, doesn't seem to get parsed properly when setting fg-root:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ fgfs --fg-root=~/FGFS/FlightGear/data/

Base package check failed ... Found version [none] at: 
~/FGFS/FlightGear/data/
Please upgrade to version: 0.9.8

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ fgfs --fg-root=/home/Richard.Bytheway/FGFS/FlightGear/data/

...(normal startup)

Thanks again.

Richard


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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Vivian Meazza
Richard Bytheway wrote

 
 
  I have the same problem with Main/renderer.cxx. Your solution
  (or one very
  like it) solves the problem. I guess near/far are reserved
  words in Cygwin?
  Thereafter, FGFS compiles and runs under Cygwin.
 
  I'm not using Andy's libs, but those built by Norman, with a couple of
  tweaks which have been listed recently (although these may not now be
  needed, since OpenAl has reportedly fixed the problems). Your
  errors seem to
  be lib-related so perhaps the solution lies there. Norman's libs are
  available at:
 
  ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/openal_cyg.tgz
 
  Regards,
 
  Vivian
 
 
 
 Thanks for the pointer to the Norman's libs. I had been looking for those
 but could not find them anywhere.
 
 It appears that it is working now. How are Andy's libs meant to be used?

Hmmm ... never made them work, and I'd quite forgotten them. 

 One point I have discovered, is that (on Cygwin at least) the shortcut to
 your home directory, ~/, doesn't seem to get parsed properly when setting
 fg-root:
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
   $ fgfs --fg-root=~/FGFS/FlightGear/data/
 
   Base package check failed ... Found version [none] at:
 ~/FGFS/FlightGear/data/
   Please upgrade to version: 0.9.8
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
   $ fgfs --fg-root=/home/Richard.Bytheway/FGFS/FlightGear/data/
 
   ...(normal startup)
 

Never noticed that; I keep FGFS at a higher level, but now that you mention
it, so it does. It's not a problem, but we ought to record all this
somewhere. We seem to go through some Cygwin drama every major update.

Regards,

Vivian 





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[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker100/Models

2005-03-31 Thread Martin Spott
Hello Erik,

Erik Hofman wrote:
 Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/fokker100/Models
 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv14144
 
 Modified Files:
   f70_cabin.ac fokker70.ac fokker70.xml 
 Log Message:
 Some final changes, fixes and updates for some time

The model looks very nice and the handling feels pretty easy. It's only
that I'm missing the cabin door being coupled to the parking brake as
it was in your first version  ;-)

Cheers,
Martin.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote:
Never noticed that; I keep FGFS at a higher level, but now that you mention
it, so it does. It's not a problem, but we ought to record all this
somewhere. We seem to go through some Cygwin drama every major update.
That's what Wiki's are for:
http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flight_gear_developer_documentation.html?wpid=123227
Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/fokker100/Models

2005-03-31 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote:
The model looks very nice and the handling feels pretty easy. It's only
Thanks.
that I'm missing the cabin door being coupled to the parking brake as
it was in your first version  ;-)
No, it's not ...
:-)
Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2005-03-31 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote:
 Martin Spott wrote:

 that I'm missing the cabin door being coupled to the parking brake as
 it was in your first version  ;-)
 
 No, it's not ...

Hmmm, I don't understand: Did you decouple the cabin door from the
parking brake intentionally because you thing the coupling is 'wrong'
or does it actually work at your end ?
At least I strongly believe the version that is in current CVS does
_not_ have this coupling,

Martin.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Jim Wilson
 From: Andy Ross
 
 Vivian Meazza wrote:
  I have the same problem with Main/renderer.cxx. Your solution (or
  one very like it) solves the problem. I guess near/far are reserved
  words in Cygwin?
 
 Goodness, that brings back memories.  The near and far keywords are
 holdovers from 16 bit DOS compilers.  They are still defined (as
 noops) for compatibility with ancient code.
 
 Basically, the 8086 had 16 bit registers, so a single instruction
 could only address memory within a 64k range (which was defined by the
 appropriate segment register).  This 16 bit object was called a near
 pointer.  If you wanted to see things outside that range, you needed
 to use multiple instructions to first load a segment register and then
 execute the load.
 
 (This really wasn't so insane if you think about it -- the original
 idea for a typical was that all the code would go in a 64k segment,
 the heap data in another and the stack in a third; this 192k address
 space was larger than that available to Unix programs running on a
 PDP-11, for instance.  It seemed like a good solution at the time.  It
 didn't become a problem until typical interactive PC applications
 started needed hundreds of kilobytes of address space.  For 1976, it
 was actually pretty elegant.)
 

I can remember the pain too :-).  Actually it was a limitation of what could be 
made 
for hardware at the time (which I think you already know).  The 16 bit address 
register 
(max 64k value) was a pretty cool step up, and quite a dramatic improvement 
over the 
8 bit especially in micro chips. (As was the 32 later).  The addressing scheme 
was 
merely a comprimise for what could be done.  The orginization of IBM PC Bios 
layout on 
the other hand was a design choice based on expectations of what would be 
possible for 
the architecture in 1980 vision.  And that sure caused some pain!

Best,

Jim



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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote

 Vivian Meazza wrote:
 
  Never noticed that; I keep FGFS at a higher level, but now that you
 mention
  it, so it does. It's not a problem, but we ought to record all this
  somewhere. We seem to go through some Cygwin drama every major update.
 
 That's what Wiki's are for:
 http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flight_gear_developer_documentati
 on.html?wpid=123227
 

Of course, in keeping with custom, when I wrote 'we', I meant 'someone else'
:-)

Regards,

Vivian



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[Flightgear-devel] Re: plib viewer

2005-03-31 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Josh Babcock -- Wednesday 30 March 2005 18:34:
 Has anyone gotten the viewer program from the plib-examples package running? 
 When I compile and run it I get:
 WARNING: fntLoadTXF: Failed to open 'data/default.txf' for reading.

Works perfectly. And the font is in CVS:

  $ grep default.txf ~/fgfs/plib/examples/src/ssg/viewer/data/CVS/Entries
  /default.txf/1.9/Thu May 22 14:06:05 2003/-kb/

If it's not in your checkout, you know what to do.  :-)

m.

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[Flightgear-devel] Re: Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Thursday 31 March 2005 13:27:
 That's what Wiki's are for:
 http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flight_gear_developer_documentation.html?wpid=123227

That's really where the FAQ should be maintained, too, as long as someone
is regularly archiving the contents. (I tried with wget, but it failed
because it doesn't like the space in Flight Gear.) I would certainly
contribute to a FAQ there, but am not keen to take over the whole FAQ
maintainership. (I'm only interested and knowledgable in some fgfs (on
Linux) topics, but don't care for others, let alone other operating
systems.)

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Building on Cygwin

2005-03-31 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Erik Hofman -- Thursday 31 March 2005 13:27:
 

That's what Wiki's are for:
http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flight_gear_developer_documentation.html?wpid=123227
   

That's really where the FAQ should be maintained, too, as long as someone
is regularly archiving the contents. (I tried with wget, but it failed
because it doesn't like the space in Flight Gear.) I would certainly
contribute to a FAQ there, but am not keen to take over the whole FAQ
maintainership. (I'm only interested and knowledgable in some fgfs (on
Linux) topics, but don't care for others, let alone other operating
systems.)
 

We recently lost our FAQ maintainer.  It would be great if someone would 
be willing to step forward and contribute on this front.  You don't need 
to be a flightgear expert, just someone willing to catalog and document 
common questions and answers ... basically watch for people commenting 
that such and such should really be in the FAQ and then putting it there.

Best regards,
Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: fgjs bug

2005-03-31 Thread Andy Ross
Fridtjof Busse wrote:
 I'd say the X52 then has exactly this problem. One bit is always on,
 since it has a mode-switch (doesn't do anything without the
 windows-software) which always has a bit set.

You can write a joystick definition to use that mode switch however
you want; on all systems.  Take a look at the X45.xml file for an
example.

Andy

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: fgjs bug

2005-03-31 Thread Fridtjof Busse
* Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I'd say the X52 then has exactly this problem. One bit is always on,
  since it has a mode-switch (doesn't do anything without the
  windows-software) which always has a bit set.
 
 You can write a joystick definition to use that mode switch however
 you want; on all systems.  Take a look at the X45.xml file for an
 example.

That's true, but the original use for the Switch on the X52 is to
switch profiles during the game, that's what the LCD on the
throttle is for. But this is only supported by the windows-software.
Only the stop-watch works out-of-the-box.
IMHO the X45 didn't have a LCD. And for me, the bit set due to the
switch is just causing trouble :)
It would still be nice to have fgjs only check for changed bits, not
activated ones.

-- 
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