Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-02-01 Thread flying.toaster
Regarding the pull up issue, it seems fixed (partially) now. My first assumption regarding atmosphere was definitely wrong (even though the JSBSsim atmosphere feels better now and the FG atmosphere is still wrong above 60kft). I have looked into the Cmalpha values and it was only fixed to a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-02-01 Thread Tony Peden
Both Cm due to pitch rate and Cm due to alpha rate are legitimate. More sophisticated models will have both. -Original Message- From: flying.toaster [mailto:flying.toas...@voila.fr] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:35 AM To: development issues; flightgear-devel Subject: Re:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-01-13 Thread flying.toaster
Got it, The issue is that JSBSIM gets the external atmospheric model (/environment/params/control-fdm-atmosphere set to true in flightgear). I assume that imposes flight gear own atmosphere model to the FDM and THIS model is stuck after 10 ft Setting this value to false actually gets a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-01-13 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Got it, The issue is that JSBSIM gets the external atmospheric model (/environment/params/control-fdm-atmosphere set to true in flightgear). I assume that imposes flight gear own atmosphere model to the FDM and THIS model is stuck after 10 ft Setting this value to false actually gets

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-01-13 Thread John Denker
On 01/13/2009 12:25 PM, flying.toaster wrote: flightgear I assume that imposes flight gear own atmosphere model to the FDM and THIS model is stuck after 10 ft I can easily generate ISA atmosphere data to 71,000 m (232940 ft) ... and beyond that if you wish (to the limited extent that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-01-13 Thread Jon S. Berndt
There was an issue some time ago when we had control-fdm-atmosphere set to false by default. I don't know if this has been resolved by now. Here is the thread from 2007: http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear- devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg13065.html Torsten It's an interesting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

2009-01-13 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Also note that the FlightGear model, whether or not extended in height, is a one-parameter model which (to put it politely) does not adhere to the laws of physics. It puts out wrong answers whenever the temperature differs significantly from ISA standard day. JSBSim has, for a long time,