Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle (was: yaw)

2007-11-22 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 22 November 2007 13:52, John Denker wrote: Sorry - couldn't resist this But... > If you think you've got problems when the heading angle goes to 180 > degrees, think about what happens when the pitch angle goes to ±90 > degrees. Been there - done that. But seriously, I have done

Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle

2007-11-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Maybe it would help to talk to the CDM guys instead of the > FDM guys. > http://www.google.com/search?q=car-dynamics-model > http://www.google.com/search?q=car-dynamics-model+nascar > > I reckon the car-dynamics guys have a pretty good model of > static friction and quasi-static rolling fric

Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle

2007-11-22 Thread John Denker
On 11/22/2007 12:59 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > What happens if > the combined moment on the vehicle and the translational force causes only > one gear to go past its ability to hold traction on the ground? Well, that's pretty far down on the priority list, but since you asked: That happens

Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle

2007-11-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> On 11/22/2007 09:10 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > > At this time, JSBSim zeroes out the wind velocities while at rest on > > the ground, to prevent slippage. > John Denker replied: > Aha. Thanks for the info. > > FWIW that sounds like *two* bugs to me. > 1) Maybe we need a better model of s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle

2007-11-22 Thread John Denker
On 11/22/2007 09:10 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > At this time, JSBSim zeroes out the wind velocities while at rest on > the ground, to prevent slippage. Aha. Thanks for the info. FWIW that sounds like *two* bugs to me. 1) Maybe we need a better model of static friction and quasi-static rolling

Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle

2007-11-22 Thread alexis bory
John Denker a écrit : > On 11/22/2007 07:28 AM, LeeE wrote: > > > FWIW I also spotted that the coded hard-coded hud has problems > > around headings of 180 deg so that if you are heading slightly to > > one side of 180 deg and there's enough of a cross-wind to swing the > > direction indicator to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] slip angle (was: yaw)

2007-11-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> If that variable doesn't show a large slip angle when parked > in a crosswind, that's a nasty bug. > > You can easily enough check whether the FDM is calculating > this correctly by recomputing it yourself. It's just the > angle between the relative wind vector (projected onto the > XY plane) a