Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: > Lufthansa has aircraft that allows them to fly from A to B. It's certainly > not perfect and doesn't have every feature ever imagined, it may not meet > every pilots preferences and desires, but it is functional and workable if > the pilots

[Flightgear-devel] terragear

2009-06-12 Thread syd adams
Hi , I decided to get brave and try terragear since my local airport in FG needs a lot of fixing. Are terragear and terragear-cs two separate programs ? Or which is under current development? >From past posts it doesnt look like an easy task , but Im mainly interested in re-aligning the runway t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, >I'm really running out of time here so I have to be brief and generic. >Let's start a new thread for that, this thread is going no where fast. ?? > I think there is a system in place that allows developers to contribute to > the web site. It's certainly not perfect and doesn't have every

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
I'm really running out of time here so I have to be brief and generic. I think there is a system in place that allows developers to contribute to the web site. It's certainly not perfect and doesn't have every feature ever imagined, it may not meet every developer's preferences and desires, but i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Heiko Schulz
Puh... I have to start anywhere, so I begin with this: > So when I put too much time into FlightGear, I really see the effects on my > bank account. I'm not complaining, I love being involved in the >FilghtGear > project. I'm just pointing out that I continue to invest a huge amount of my >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > > > >> Oh man, whenever the discussion gets to FlightGear's organizational > >> bottleneck (Curt), we almost always read the same whining with just > >> little vari

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > >> Oh man, whenever the discussion gets to FlightGear's organizational >> bottleneck (Curt), we almost always read the same whining with just >> little variation. > > > Hehe, it sounds like we both have each other on ta

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Oh man, whenever the discussion gets to FlightGear's organizational > bottleneck (Curt), we almost always read the same whining with just > little variation. Hehe, it sounds like we both have each other on tape with the same respective whini

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > [...] But at some point, with some people, it starts > to seem like they are more interested in arguing and trotting out all their > perpetual sore spots than finding ways to make the system work. Please explain, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just sele

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > And even when issues are brought to my attention ... we are all volunteers > here ... I take time out of my paying work I'm a consultant and have to log > my individual working hours on the various projects I get paid for. So > when I take time out of my day for FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread ArthurX
Hi All, I think also that it is not wise to let only one person have the sole access to the flightgear website and domain registration. It might be possible that that sole person comes to die or becomes incapable to further handle (shit happens) and so the website and the name are blocked. Also th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > And for those people, that's ok if that's how you want to approach life, > I'm a big boy, and all my clothes are at least 50% asbestos :-) Maybe I should say that "all my remaining clothes have a large asbestos content, the articles that do

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: > But as an example on my homepage, I have my own password and username for > ftp-upload, and If my homepage would be the official FGFS-homepage, I could > share this password to trustworthy developers and maintainer here as Martin > and others

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, >This doesn't cause the changes to automatically make it to the actual web >server though. ... >I don't have a good way to grant actual physical access to the web server >(it's a commercial service so access to the web account has paypal and >credit >card and other personal information impli

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: > We already all know that you haven't much time for all this- so all what > Martin and David want is having access to this specific part of > flightgear.org. So they can feed the informations and details themself > without asking you to do it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi Curt, >However, I can't post stuff I don't know about, and I'm pretty busy, so I >can't spend my days trolling the forums and IRC and the mailing lists to glean >>things out based on arbitrary threads of conversation that might occur once >in a while. >So I depend on people sending me specif

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo, June 24 - 27

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Alex Perry wrote: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > There is still certainly an events section on the main front page of > > the FlightGear web site, but lacking any future events, it only > > contains a link to a google calendar intended to list upcoming MP events. > > Y

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo,

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Would you really like to have yet another discussion about your style > of managing the FlightGear web site ? > I'm happy to have open and civil discussions, but that doesn't look like the direction you are pointed. Here it is plain and simp

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Double sided in Blender

2009-06-12 Thread Gary Neely
Innis, Now you have me puzzled and I love a puzzle. Yes, an object that is marked as double-sided should render both sides, because in effect the double-sided toggle is telling the render engine to consider each polygon as two polygons with the normals inverted. If you like, feel free to take this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] property system extensions redux

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Tim, I have one concern that I may not have voiced clearly before. I tend to think about these design choices in terms of what is often called "orthogonality". The idea stems from the world of vectors. The idea of orthogonality is if you want to represent any point in 3d space, you can do it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] property system extensions redux

2009-06-12 Thread leee
On Friday 12 Jun 2009, Tim Moore wrote: [snip...] > ... I simply don't want to write files that use the more > verbose alternative... [snip...] I must commend your honesty. LeeE -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] property system extensions redux

2009-06-12 Thread James Turner
On 12 Jun 2009, at 17:39, Tim Moore wrote: > So, I propose to add an argument to readProperties that controls > whether or not the new > property types are recognized. By default they are not, so only code > that explicitly calls > for them will be able to use them. Seems entirely reasonable

[Flightgear-devel] property system extensions redux

2009-06-12 Thread Tim Moore
For various reasons I've let the discussion on my proposed property system extensions drop for a couple of months. You may recall that the proposal was to add two vector types, Vec3D and Vec4D, as primitive types in the property system. My rationale is that this improves readability of (the soon

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Smoothing issues on some models

2009-06-12 Thread leee
On Thursday 11 Jun 2009, Gary Neely wrote: > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jim Wilson wrote: > > For those who are modeling and are not bothering with setting > > the crease value now (and letting it default to 30) I would > > strongly recommend removing all the lines from the ac files > > tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Gui - updating gui state dynamically

2009-06-12 Thread James Turner
On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:04, Melchior FRANZ wrote: >> I checked over the dialog code, and I don't see a standard 'visible' >> or 'hidden' property (looking at FGDialog::makeObject), but perhaps >> there is some other way to achieve this? > > There's a property per widget group, which defaults to >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Gui - updating gui state dynamically

2009-06-12 Thread James Turner
On 12 Jun 2009, at 09:54, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > And > I intend to make all widget properties "live", so that one can, > for instance, change the component (and optionally re-layout > the dialog), and see the widget move. It'll be nice to have live > color changes and to see the total weight te

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Gui - updating gui state dynamically

2009-06-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* James Turner -- 6/8/2009 10:56 AM: > Another, related question: is it possible to hide and show UI > element / groups dynamically? You can manipulate (add/remove/change) anything in a dialog before it's opened by embedded Nasal. You could have an XML dialog file with only a block, and let tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Gui - updating gui state dynamically

2009-06-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* James Turner -- 6/8/2009 10:52 AM: > On 6 Jun 2009, at 08:46, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > I'll [...] try to keep PLIB'isms away as far as possible. Actually, I'll reorganize the code a bit so that possible later transitions to osgWidgets or other toolkits are even easier. And I intend to make all wi