Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Arresting Type Devices
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 23:09 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote: Attached you find the list. There are 55 BAK12 and 23 BAK14 devices, 156 items total, all in the US and found in recent FAA runway data. The coordinates comes from column base/reciprocal ends of runways, published by FAA, assuming myself this is the point where the device is installed ;-) That's probably wrong most of the time. I think the start of the blastpad is more accurate most of the time. Erik -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Arresting Type Devices
Am 16.12.11 09:38, schrieb Erik Hofman: That's probably wrong most of the time. I think the start of the blastpad is more accurate most of the time. Erik Oh no! The blastpad is ALWAYS outside the runway. In xplane specs, and also in FAA specs ! Cheers, Yves -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Arresting Type Devices
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 09:42 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote: Am 16.12.11 09:38, schrieb Erik Hofman: That's probably wrong most of the time. I think the start of the blastpad is more accurate most of the time. Oh no! The blastpad is ALWAYS outside the runway. In xplane specs, and also in FAA specs ! Ok, just to make sure. Erik -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weather issues for 2.6
We are still looking into this one. At first glance there doesn't seem to be any good reason for the wind not being honoured. The overcast is a problem of interpreting different implementations between Global and Local weather. Now you are back operational we will try to come up with a suggestion in the next couple of days Seems you are currently referencing /environment/sea/wind-from-east-fps for the actual shader work(?) which seem to be tied to the global weather boundary layer. Problem is, I can't set that directly, but I wrote a hack yesterday to write into /environment/config/boundary/entry[0]/wind-from-heading-deg , and that does the trick quite nicely (see http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19t=9446p=144955#p144955 for screenshots) But I'd much prefer a different interface - writing into global weather config isn't something I should be doing - so this was just a test for me to see how it looks like. A couple of observations: * I've been unable to work out what triggers the color of the water. In some cases I had overcast and reduced lighting set and got green water, in others it went grey (I haven't looked into the shader code though). * I have an implementation of gusty winds which I tried. My code actually provided the mean wind (i.e. before the gust correction) to /environment/config/boundary/entry[0]/ , but set the actual wind felt by the aircraft after gusts. Nevertheless, each gust triggered a redraw of the wave pattern, so that's something we'd perhaps rather avoid. It seems a change in wind triggers new parameters being passed to the shader and a redrawing, but it doesn't actually take the wind parameters (?) - something is confusing me. Anyway, an interface should be robust against gusts and ask for an average rather than the actual per-frame winds. * The wake effect of the carrier is also something that is drawn before the cloud - you can see it through an overcast layer, which makes the carrier unusually easy to find in bad weather. We had some problems with adapting the ground haze shader to the new, universal fog scheme. At the moment, our results are unacceptable for release. We are not clear at this stage if we can do it at all, and we are unlikely to come up with a tested and tuned solution by the 17th. We will continue to work on it in the next few days to come up with a better informed decision on the way ahead. Okay. Is there something I should still be doing? I'll try to rebase my haze shader branch with the recent developments to see if I can keep it alive. Maybe it's better to try to insert this into the 2.8 release, as it is quite a substantial and capricious piece of work... Some improvements to the wake of Vinson are likely to have cost some framerate. These can be reverted by selecting a lower quality setting so it should be possible to compare like-with-like. Yes, I did that. Switching all water shaders off got me from 15 up to 20 fps - it used to be around 35, so there's still a chunk missing. Could AI traffic cost that much? * Thorsten -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Recent shader stuff vs 2.4
Gijs de Rooy wrote: Next to that there are some typos/faults in current Git with respect to shader-properties, so it is possible that some shaders are accidentally still enabled. I'm preparing a commit that fixes quite some bugs, hope to push it today. But you can already test it via https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/merge_requests/124 As far as I can tell there's still a functional gap in the current implementation of shader control. When I start FlightGear with: --prop:/sim/rendering/shaders/quality-level=0 (that's what is controlled by the slider, correct ?) then I still get the full truckload of shaders, despite the fact that the slider is on the left, the Rendering options menu says (0) and Adjust he slider to enable shaders and the Experimental effects is greyed out. The Shader Options sub-menue confirms that all the shaders are still active. Disabling the shaders requires moving the slider forth and back at runtime in order to take effect - that's inconsistent, I'd say ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Arresting Type Devices
Am 15.12.11 23:13, schrieb Martin Spott: Vivian Meazza wrote: The other one, which used to be non-op, seems to have gained operational capability along the way. You see, in order to avoid confusion, having just one operational arrestor would have been the clever solution. We're trying to simulate real-world, don't we ? Sure, we're not perfect but I think we're doing our best within the limits of our ressources. Thus, intentionally leaving an inoperational arrestor in place (instead of fixing it) sounds a bit odd Now, who would like to merge the best of both into one single model - before the feature freeze ? Cheers, Martin. Hi Martin As I understand Vivian’s model takes care about runway textures and is ready out of the box, but not perfect, as many other things in FlightGear. When someone wants to merge in another model or add new models for other device types, great! But this would be a another project. So there is no logical reason for me to put the data improvemment back to the fridge, just because the fridge has become that large from time to time, and just because we have the luxury of two models and a decision have to be made. I will try to take full responsabililty for the data I submitted, and I will check scenery (when someone wants to help here, please report AI traffic hanging in chains) ;-) But anyway, there is no hurry with such a detail like this devices. Was just an idea of a very small improvement and having more FAA data in FlightGear. Do what you want with this data and what is possible at the moment. Cheers, Yves -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Maritime traffic
Hello everybody, I wrote a little script to add maritime traffic from AIS static data. It's a little crude Nasal script at the moment, but it could be done in C++ to automate the display of traffic according to a certain range/density. I'll be looking at that later. For an explanation of the AIS system see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Identification_System Here are some screenshots taken near LFML and LRCK: http://i.imgur.com/kQ9C4.png http://i.imgur.com/FaEg5.png http://i.imgur.com/NLV5R.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jc3hn.png Right now there's only one model being loaded, so it may look a bit silly. Cheers, Adrian -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Recent shader stuff vs 2.4
Martin wrote: Disabling the shaders requires moving the slider forth and back at runtime in order to take effect - that's inconsistent, I'd say ;-) Ah, good catch. Didn't think of that :P Will commit a fix this evening, if no-one beats me to it. Thanks! Gijs -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re : Maritime traffic
Hi, That's a nice start! Are you grabbing data from: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ ? In fact, depending on the data format, you may obtain the speed the type of the ship with AIS. So if speed=0, you should use a ship without wakes (eg ship in a harbour, and display a type depending on the type returned by AIS (cargo, tug, sailing, ...). Oliver -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Maritime traffic
On Friday, December 16, 2011 14:57:24 Olivier wrote: Hi, That's a nice start! Are you grabbing data from: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ ? Yes. aprs.fi also has a good feed, although more oriented towards ham radio APRS. AisHub has very detailed NMEA data, but they require you to send a feed before accessing raw data, and I don't live in a coastal area. In fact, depending on the data format, you may obtain the speed the type of the ship with AIS. So if speed=0, you should use a ship without wakes (eg ship in a harbour, and display a type depending on the type returned by AIS (cargo, tug, sailing, ...). Type's already done (sort of), but the foam I have no clue how to get rid of it other than a different model. Some images near Amsterdam harbour: http://i.imgur.com/gNBqS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7Gpyj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gxN5L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/StpuV.jpg Crowded, I'd say. Cheers, Adrian -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Arresting Type Devices
Am 16.12.11 11:26, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 15.12.11 23:13, schrieb Martin Spott: Vivian Meazza wrote: The other one, which used to be non-op, seems to have gained operational capability along the way. You see, in order to avoid confusion, having just one operational arrestor would have been the clever solution. We're trying to simulate real-world, don't we ? Sure, we're not perfect but I think we're doing our best within the limits of our ressources. Thus, intentionally leaving an inoperational arrestor in place (instead of fixing it) sounds a bit odd Now, who would like to merge the best of both into one single model - before the feature freeze ? Cheers, Martin. Hi Martin Thought it is a standard distance, but ... c. A BAK-12 can be located anywhere on the runway or in the safety area depending upon the military mission requirements. I will try to provide individual distance from the end of runway in the data. Cheers, Yves -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
