Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Frederic Bouvier wrote: You cover a wide range of needs if you allow any number of files in this set of formats The difficulty is not in processing a wider range of 3D model formats, instead the most trouble is hidden in the consistency checking. Traditionally, submitters are making more mistakes than you could envision in your wildest dreams and a proper web form has to check all of this. Listing a couple of 'interesting' formats is easy, but to make them work you also have to develop proper consistency tests. Remember the standard disclaimer: All the code is on Gitorious. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
I sent model updates to fgf...@stockill.org a while ago. Is there any chance they will be inserted in the database ? Nobody monitors this address anymore ? My model is made of 3 xml, 3 .ac and 2 textures . How can I submit it ? And effects and shaders ? It came to me that a future-proof solution would be to allow any number of files of any kind, maybe with a check on a set of allowed format/extensions. BTW: here is the list of modified models in the base package that are not in the database : - Golden Gate bridge : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=78 (with fixed geometry by the way. The one in the database got corrupted I don't know how). - Bay bridge west : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=75 - Bay bridge east : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=77 - Airport beacon : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=34 - Airport light pole : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=359 I think Gijs modified the Alcatraz model : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=74 Regards, -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Fred, -Original Message- From: Frederic Bouvier [mailto:fredfgf...@free.fr] Sent: 18 August 2012 12:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production. I sent model updates to fgf...@stockill.org a while ago. Is there any chance they will be inserted in the database ? Nobody monitors this address anymore ? My model is made of 3 xml, 3 .ac and 2 textures . How can I submit it ? And effects and shaders ? It came to me that a future-proof solution would be to allow any number of files of any kind, maybe with a check on a set of allowed format/extensions. BTW: here is the list of modified models in the base package that are not in the database : - Golden Gate bridge : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=78 (with fixed geometry by the way. The one in the database got corrupted I don't know how). - Bay bridge west : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=75 - Bay bridge east : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=77 - Airport beacon : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=34 - Airport light pole : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=359 I think Gijs modified the Alcatraz model : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/modeledit.php?id=74 I've been trying to contact Jon for a week now - no luck - perhaps he's on holiday. Vivian -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi Fred, De : Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr Envoyé le : Samedi 18 août 2012 13h23 I sent model updates to fgf...@stockill.org a while ago. Is there any chance they will be inserted in the database ? Nobody monitors this address anymore ? This is Jon's personal address for FG, as far as I know. A few 3D modellers told me they sent their 3D models to this address over the last 3 months or so, without answer, so I guess he's not watching it anymore. The 3D model webforms now allow for multiple adresses to be used, and that's the case for now. If I or Martin quit FG one day, then there can be some people updating the recipient adresses to take the work further. My model is made of 3 xml, 3 .ac and 2 textures . How can I submit it ? And effects and shaders ? As I told in my latest email, the current form was made in urgency because for a few months nobody was able to put anymore 3D model in the database. Now we've been receiving over 50 of them by this mean over the 15 latest days. With or without textures, with or without XML, etc. Multiple textures is a currently handled feature. Now, effects, shaders, and multiple XML are to be added on the to-do list for a future enhancement. I don't know when this can be added, as we also have some other fixes and plans for the near future, noticeably on the Terragear side and on the scenery web overall design. However, be sure I understand the need. However we'll have to think on how to implement it into our current database as this would be quite experimental for now. It came to me that a future-proof solution would be to allow any number of files of any kind, maybe with a check on a set of allowed format/extensions. It'll be hard to parse and test any number of files formats/extensions. Currently for 3D models we have approximately 30 to 40 tests (on the thumbnail, the textures, the XML, the AC3D...) running for each submission, and a visual check, to make sure that what is committed is right and not putting into danger our shared infrastructure. Don't know how we would cope with a infinite number of format. Oliver -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi, Olivier wrote: Don't know how we would cope with a infinite number of format. It's great that we can easily add most new models via the forms, but there will always be creative exceptions. The webform cannot handle updates yet for example, but all my and Fred's Rembrandt edits are updates to existing models. You'll have to come up with a way to handle those exceptions. Models that don't fit the webforms could be send directly to an email address, just like we used to do. But what address can we send them to? Gijs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
It came to me that a future-proof solution would be to allow any number of files of any kind, maybe with a check on a set of allowed format/extensions. It'll be hard to parse and test any number of files formats/extensions. Currently for 3D models we have approximately 30 to 40 tests (on the thumbnail, the textures, the XML, the AC3D...) running for each submission, and a visual check, to make sure that what is committed is right and not putting into danger our shared infrastructure. Don't know how we would cope with a infinite number of format. Not an infinite set of formats. A fixed/allowed number of format. Say : . AC3D . OSG (several variants) . PNG . JPG . RGB . EFF (effect) . FRAG/VERT/GEOM (shaders) . XML You cover a wide range of needs if you allow any number of files in this set of formats Regards, -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi Fred/Gijs, De : Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr À : Olivier acom...@yahoo.com; FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Envoyé le : Samedi 18 août 2012 16h23 Objet : Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production. . AC3D and XML Done (not multiple yet however) . PNG . JPG Done . OSG (several variants) . RGB . EFF (effect) . FRAG/VERT/GEOM (shaders) You cover a wide range of needs if you allow any number of files in this set of formats This list is great, we now just have to think about what is to be parsed in those file, this means, what checks have to be done in them so we're sure the model is OK when submitted. For instance, in AC3D file, we currently check that the format is OK (file starting with AC3D header) and that all the textures named in the AC3D file are shipped with the submission. Else, we report an error automagically. So, if for each of those 4 types, we're able to tell what format they must be like, and where they're to be defined (XML, for instance), then a good part of the job is done. For Gijs: The webform cannot handle updates yet for example, No, because we had to set the priority on the insertion tool. Note the update feature is in the todo list (xiii has been asking for it for a while, and we intended to do so). However, now it's done, creating the update script is easier. However, the first step will still be on updating current 3D models (this means with one single AC file, with optional XML and PNG files). but all my and Fred's Rembrandt edits are updates to existing models. You'll have to come up with a way to handle those exceptions. We will. But your updates are not simple ones, they differ from the majority of existing models we have. We should first make sure the Terrasync export from the scenemodels DB can handle this type of models (for instance, for now we have 1 ID for 1 model having 1 thumbnail, 1 XML file and n textures). We have to test it: 1 ID for 1 model having 1 thumbnail, n XML files and n textures and n of the above file formats. (Martin tell me if I say something wrong). Models that don't fit the webforms could be send directly to an email address, just like we used to do. This has shown some limitations lately. While this is possible for testing purposes (and we'll have to do it in that case), don't think it's the best way to do on a long term basis, I think we all agree on this. As I had the same questionning lately on another point, is it possible to create @flightgear.org email addresses, which would get redirected to a few emails or to a mailing list (I had this question for eventual spam reports).-- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Fred wrote: -Original Message- From: Frederic Bouvier [mailto:fredfgf...@free.fr] Sent: 18 August 2012 15:23 To: Olivier; FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production. It came to me that a future-proof solution would be to allow any number of files of any kind, maybe with a check on a set of allowed format/extensions. It'll be hard to parse and test any number of files formats/extensions. Currently for 3D models we have approximately 30 to 40 tests (on the thumbnail, the textures, the XML, the AC3D...) running for each submission, and a visual check, to make sure that what is committed is right and not putting into danger our shared infrastructure. Don't know how we would cope with a infinite number of format. Not an infinite set of formats. A fixed/allowed number of format. Say : . AC3D .AC (AC3D) to be consistent . OSG (several variants) . PNG . JPG . RGB . EFF (effect) . FRAG/VERT/GEOM (shaders) . XML You cover a wide range of needs if you allow any number of files in this set of formats Vivian -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi Fred, Could you copy/paste the lines you added in your STG file to have the model included? Thanks. Olivier -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi Olivier, Hi Fred, Could you copy/paste the lines you added in your STG file to have the model included? From Scenery/Objects/w130n30/w123n37/942066.stg in fgdata : OBJECT_STATIC ggb-fb.xml -122.4760494 37.81876042 -0.05 105 (new Rembrandt version seen here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q951rsP0DBk ) Regards, -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
From Scenery/Objects/w130n30/w123n37/942066.stg in fgdata : OBJECT_STATIC ggb-fb.xml -122.4760494 37.81876042 -0.05 105 (new Rembrandt version seen here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q951rsP0DBk ) Forgot: That I would desperately see in the repository before it got overwritten -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi all, Just to let you know that the 3D models import webform in now in early production. The first 3D models (both static and shared) imported for test have been correctly shipped downwards by Terrasync. A big thank to Martin, Julien, Clément for their help and support. I hope you enjoy this tool and that it will make more scenery available via Terrasync, without having to download here and there, so we have a beautiful (hopefully with a new generated terrain) scenery to show for 3.0. Together with the other webforms for mass insertion, deletion, update, this is [yet another - but we're used to!] unique feature in the flight simulation world issued by FG! All tools are available on the usual website with scenemodels and mapserver data : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/submission/ Enjoy, Olivier-- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Thanks to all involved for all your hard work on this!!! I'm busy right now updating new scenery chunks that include Martin's recent duplicate object clean up. But everyone can get things quicker themselves via terrasync (or running svn manually to keep their scenery tree in sync.) Curt. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Olivier wrote: Hi all, Just to let you know that the 3D models import webform in now in early production. The first 3D models (both static and shared) imported for test have been correctly shipped downwards by Terrasync. A big thank to Martin, Julien, Clément for their help and support. I hope you enjoy this tool and that it will make more scenery available via Terrasync, without having to download here and there, so we have a beautiful (hopefully with a new generated terrain) scenery to show for 3.0. Together with the other webforms for mass insertion, deletion, update, this is [yet another - but we're used to!] unique feature in the flight simulation world issued by FG! All tools are available on the usual website with scenemodels and mapserver data : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/submission/ Enjoy, Olivier -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Hi, I sent model updates to fgf...@stockill.org a while ago. Is there any chance they will be inserted in the database ? My model is made of 3 xml, 3 .ac and 2 textures . How can I submit it ? Regards, -Fred - Mail original - De: Olivier acom...@yahoo.com À: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Envoyé: Jeudi 9 Août 2012 18:03:47 Objet: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production. Hi all, Just to let you know that the 3D models import webform in now in early production. The first 3D models (both static and shared) imported for test have been correctly shipped downwards by Terrasync. A big thank to Martin, Julien, Clément for their help and support. I hope you enjoy this tool and that it will make more scenery available via Terrasync, without having to download here and there, so we have a beautiful (hopefully with a new generated terrain) scenery to show for 3.0. Together with the other webforms for mass insertion, deletion, update, this is [yet another - but we're used to!] unique feature in the flight simulation world issued by FG! All tools are available on the usual website with scenemodels and mapserver data : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/submission/ Enjoy, Olivier -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Frederic Bouvier wrote: My model is made of 3 xml, 3 .ac and 2 textures . How can I submit it ? Sounds like it should be submitted as three distinct models. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Frederic Bouvier wrote: My model is made of 3 xml, 3 .ac and 2 textures . How can I submit it ? Sounds like it should be submitted as three distinct models. It can't : it's one bridge and it's light volumes. Our format supports submodels, you know ? -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 3D models article
Hi, I read an article on some scientist that made som algorithm to generate city buildings for use in google earth. Maybe something flightgear could benifit from? http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn10126 /nisse -- Nils-Erik Svangård E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: schweingaard Mobil: +46-(0)70-3612178 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
Jason Cox schreef: Hi all, just wondering on weather some one has looked into tapping into the 3d models that are available for downlaod from google earth? i think we maybeable to use these if we convert them as they are created by users of the sketchup program. any thoughts? Jason That should be possible. Google SketchUp models are .kmz files which are nothing more than ZIPped XML files with vertices, polygons, textures etc in plain text. I'm a very big fan of SketchUp and it's great for developing scenery, the only thing is that no-one has ever attempted to create a converter for Keyhole Markup Language (XML with a defined format) to a 'regular' model format like 3DS or Gmax. Should be possible though. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
On 7/27/06, Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So forget converting anything from their 3d warehouse - if you want to use a model you'll need to get it direct from the author. There is one thing FG could learn from Google Earth's 3D Warehouse:The GE Warehouse is linked to directly and prominently from the Google Earth main page, while the link to FGFSDB is hidden somewhere in the FG related websites list without any explanation of what it is about. Users can easily miss it and if they miss it they cannot contribute. So perhaps the FG main page should address user contributions, e.g. in the Google Earth common questions format, like How can I put my house/school/home town into the FG terrain? Simply make it obvious how to create models for FG so that casual users who may not have visited all related websites are not left out. Martin - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
On Friday 28 July 2006 06:21, Robin van Steenbergen wrote: I know that, since all the airports in the Netherlands are made that way. But there's one pretty important thing that's not generated on the ground chart: The buildings are all missing! Most ground charts do have the buildings on them but they're not labeled and they're pretty hard to auto-generate since they require modeling. Or you have to represent them as boxes like FS2004 does, but that's not exactly pretty. I'm using the ground chart to determine the correct sizes of my buildings (using the runway as a reference) and their placement. Buildings too... http://flamebunny.homelinux.net/svg2ac.php Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 3d models
Hi all, just wondering on weather some one has looked into tapping into the 3d models that are available for downlaod from google earth? i think we maybeable to use these if we convert them as they are created by users of the sketchup program. any thoughts? Jason - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
Jon Stockill schreef: Jason Cox wrote: Hi all, just wondering on weather some one has looked into tapping into the 3d models that are available for downlaod from google earth? i think we maybeable to use these if we convert them as they are created by users of the sketchup program. any thoughts? It may be possible if the authors of the models are happy to release them under the GPL. The import script in the latest version of blender works well on geometry, but doesn't seem to support textures yet, so some retexturing may be required. Does Blender do KML files now? That's awesome! I do all of my modeling in SketchUp because it's 100 percent free and very intuitive to work with. If Blender has support for it, you can do the rendering / texturing / animating there or export it to 3DS or MAX or LWO or whatever. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
* Robin van Steenbergen -- Wednesday 26 July 2006 18:01: Does Blender do KML files now? Yes. $ head -18 ~/.blender/scripts/kmz_ImportWithMesh.py|tail -15 Name: 'Google Earth (.kml / .kmz)...' Blender: 241 Group: 'Import' Tip: 'Import geometry of .kml or .kmz 3D models' __author__ = Jean-Michel Soler (jms) __version__ = 0.1.8, june, 25, 2006 __url__ = Script's homepage, http://jmsoler.free.fr/didacticiel/blender/tutor/py_import_kml-kmz_en.htm; __bpydoc__ = \ Use this to read 3d geometry from .kml and .kmz (zipped .kml) files. Caution: the geometry data of the Google Earth's files on the web is licensed and you can not load or use it in a personnal work. Be aware that the contents of the file you try to read must be free or legally yours. m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Robin van Steenbergen -- Wednesday 26 July 2006 18:01: Does Blender do KML files now? Yes. $ head -18 ~/.blender/scripts/kmz_ImportWithMesh.py|tail -15 Name: 'Google Earth (.kml / .kmz)...' Blender: 241 Group: 'Import' Tip: 'Import geometry of .kml or .kmz 3D models' __author__ = Jean-Michel Soler (jms) __version__ = 0.1.8, june, 25, 2006 __url__ = Script's homepage, http://jmsoler.free.fr/didacticiel/blender/tutor/py_import_kml-kmz_en.htm; __bpydoc__ = \ Use this to read 3d geometry from .kml and .kmz (zipped .kml) files. Caution: the geometry data of the Google Earth's files on the web is licensed and you can not load or use it in a personnal work. Be aware that the contents of the file you try to read must be free or legally yours. So forget converting anything from their 3d warehouse - if you want to use a model you'll need to get it direct from the author. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
Jon Stockill wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Robin van Steenbergen -- Wednesday 26 July 2006 18:01: Does Blender do KML files now? Yes. $ head -18 ~/.blender/scripts/kmz_ImportWithMesh.py|tail -15 Name: 'Google Earth (.kml / .kmz)...' Blender: 241 Group: 'Import' Tip: 'Import geometry of .kml or .kmz 3D models' __author__ = Jean-Michel Soler (jms) __version__ = 0.1.8, june, 25, 2006 __url__ = Script's homepage, http://jmsoler.free.fr/didacticiel/blender/tutor/py_import_kml-kmz_en.htm; __bpydoc__ = \ Use this to read 3d geometry from .kml and .kmz (zipped .kml) files. Caution: the geometry data of the Google Earth's files on the web is licensed and you can not load or use it in a personnal work. Be aware that the contents of the file you try to read must be free or legally yours. So forget converting anything from their 3d warehouse - if you want to use a model you'll need to get it direct from the author. It sounds like we need to infiltrate google with FlightGear people. Can I get some volunteers to go get jobs there? I'll need a couple developers and at least one VP level manager type. We can solve this problem for ourselves at least from the inside out. :-) Or perhaps we could get a volunteer to purchase 51% of their stock? Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
Curtis L. Olson schreef: Jon Stockill wrote: So forget converting anything from their 3d warehouse - if you want to use a model you'll need to get it direct from the author. It sounds like we need to infiltrate google with FlightGear people. Can I get some volunteers to go get jobs there? I'll need a couple developers and at least one VP level manager type. We can solve this problem for ourselves at least from the inside out. :-) Or perhaps we could get a volunteer to purchase 51% of their stock? Curt. Are all their models from the 3D warehouse owned by Google? So if I submit something to the 3D Warehouse I essentially give up my rights? SketchUp is a great tool for scenery design. I'm working on an accurate model of Eindhoven Airport and you can actually put the ground chart of the airport on the 'floor' and model on top of that. Texturing can be done using Blender or 3DS or whatever, but SketchUp is great for defining geometry. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d models
On Wednesday 26 July 2006 12:53, Robin van Steenbergen wrote: I'm working on an accurate model of Eindhoven Airport and you can actually put the ground chart of the airport on the 'floor' and model on top of that. We have the capability to generate an airport directly out of the ground chart. Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models and Blender
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:06:51 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:20 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..ok, so _anything_ I add to a model, starts out as a 2x2x2 meter object and then needs another edit action to size and fit it to my model? ..my baseline is http://brlcad.org/ which has a neat, neat, neat pipe routing edit mode that I use to model my gasifiers, I'll have them made from standard piping fittings etc materials to minimise my costs. Lotsa model file format converters, and David M. might like the way it uses Jove as cli. ;o) I've actually been meaning to try BRL, I even have it on disk here. The problem is switching to another format in FG. There are a lot that theoretically work in plib, but using those loaders in fg is not as well understood from the model builder's point of view. Also, not all the loaders provide the same functionality. Is there an easy way to get from BRL to .ac? ..I dunno this yet, also I need to get my models exported into 2d paper drawings, the work shop guys are not yet 3d. ;o) Maybe I should be looking into BRL and either dxf or ase. ..both are available AFAICT, and BRL-CAD has its own native format, and the BRL guys might be able to volonteer old Army etc models. Anyway, I have found that using direct numeric input in Blender is fast and easy. ..how does it compare to BRL-CAD or AutoCAD or Intergraph Microstation? (I remember using the latter 2 some 15 years ago for parametric modelling.) Like everything in Blender, it is tempered by the basic steep learning curve. ..aye, that and BRL-CAD's ease of use in parametric modeling and me in my hurry is what got me here. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 3D models and Blender
Title: 3D models and Blender If I'm not mistaken, the open source 3D modeing tool has been used to develop 3D models for FlightGear. Correct? Can the 3D models simply be opened in Blender? Jon --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk0944$17201642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models and Blender
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:51:33 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Markus Barenhoff wrote: · Berndt, Jon S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm not mistaken, the open source 3D modeing tool has been used to develop 3D models for FlightGear. Correct? Can the 3D models simply be opened in Blender? yes, there is a script for import/export ac3d files (mostly used in flightgear). cu markus And they are included with the binary distribution of Blender. ..can Blender now do _parametric_ modelling? (Essentially drawing by typing in model part sizes eg gear strut diameters etc, rather than messing around with some rodent.) Yeah, sort of. Whenever you are moving or resizing something, you can type nx.09- for instance to do whatever on the x axis to a factor of -.09. So to move something 40cm along the z axis: gz.4. (the n is redundant if you specify an axis) To scale something to twice it's size on only the x and y axis, but not the z, you would type: sZ2 The - can go anywhere after you hit the n key. You just have to be aware of the starting dimensions of new meshes as Blender creates them. Most objects have a side length or diameter of 2m, and I believe that the heights are all 2m as well. Josh --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models and Blender
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:20 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:51:33 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Markus Barenhoff wrote: · Berndt, Jon S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm not mistaken, the open source 3D modeing tool has been used to develop 3D models for FlightGear. Correct? Can the 3D models simply be opened in Blender? yes, there is a script for import/export ac3d files (mostly used in flightgear). cu markus And they are included with the binary distribution of Blender. ..can Blender now do _parametric_ modelling? (Essentially drawing by typing in model part sizes eg gear strut diameters etc, rather than messing around with some rodent.) Yeah, sort of. Whenever you are moving or resizing something, you can type nx.09- for instance to do whatever on the x axis to a factor of -.09. So to move something 40cm along the z axis: gz.4. (the n is redundant if you specify an axis) To scale something to twice it's size on only the x and y axis, but not the z, you would type: sZ2 The - can go anywhere after you hit the n key. You just have to be aware of the starting dimensions of new meshes as Blender creates them. Most objects have a side length or diameter of 2m, and I believe that the heights are all 2m as well. ..ok, so _anything_ I add to a model, starts out as a 2x2x2 meter object and then needs another edit action to size and fit it to my model? ..my baseline is http://brlcad.org/ which has a neat, neat, neat pipe routing edit mode that I use to model my gasifiers, I'll have them made from standard piping fittings etc materials to minimise my costs. Lotsa model file format converters, and David M. might like the way it uses Jove as cli. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models and Blender
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:20 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:51:33 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Markus Barenhoff wrote: · Berndt, Jon S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm not mistaken, the open source 3D modeing tool has been used to develop 3D models for FlightGear. Correct? Can the 3D models simply be opened in Blender? yes, there is a script for import/export ac3d files (mostly used in flightgear). cu markus And they are included with the binary distribution of Blender. ..can Blender now do _parametric_ modelling? (Essentially drawing by typing in model part sizes eg gear strut diameters etc, rather than messing around with some rodent.) Yeah, sort of. Whenever you are moving or resizing something, you can type nx.09- for instance to do whatever on the x axis to a factor of -.09. So to move something 40cm along the z axis: gz.4. (the n is redundant if you specify an axis) To scale something to twice it's size on only the x and y axis, but not the z, you would type: sZ2 The - can go anywhere after you hit the n key. You just have to be aware of the starting dimensions of new meshes as Blender creates them. Most objects have a side length or diameter of 2m, and I believe that the heights are all 2m as well. ..ok, so _anything_ I add to a model, starts out as a 2x2x2 meter object and then needs another edit action to size and fit it to my model? ..my baseline is http://brlcad.org/ which has a neat, neat, neat pipe routing edit mode that I use to model my gasifiers, I'll have them made from standard piping fittings etc materials to minimise my costs. Lotsa model file format converters, and David M. might like the way it uses Jove as cli. ;o) I've actually been meaning to try BRL, I even have it on disk here. The problem is switching to another format in FG. There are a lot that theoretically work in plib, but using those loaders in fg is not as well understood from the model builder's point of view. Also, not all the loaders provide the same functionality. Is there an easy way to get from BRL to .ac? Maybe I should be looking into BRL and either dxf or ase. Anyway, I have found that using direct numeric input in Blender is fast and easy. Like everything in Blender, it is tempered by the basic steep learning curve. Josh --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 3D models
Title: 3D models Is anyone aware of a converter that takes Moray 3D models to Blender? Jon --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk0944$17201642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
