Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
Andy Ross wrote: Maybe an elegant solution would be to write an interface where the user could select which views appeared in the V/v cycle. Then the default list could include the more attractive "chase view", while those interested could re-select "helicopter view" if they wanted it. The whole thing could be implemented with an "enabled" property in the view definition that was honored by view.stepView(). I like this idea even less. It seems the majority votes for swapping, so go ahead. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: What kind of graphic cards do you have?! Ampere It's an Nvidia 6600gt, more specifically a Leadtek 6600gt tdh. Nice card and I think the 6600gts are the best bang-for-the-buck card at the moment on linux at least. Having said that the first card I got was defective and I had to get it replaced. Geoff ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
* Andy Ross -- Wednesday 11 May 2005 19:19: * * Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > [stuff] > Maybe an elegant solution would be As I said on the IRC channel (you know, the place where the real decisions are made :-), I don't think that this is something that people would use. Even less so if the results aren't stored and loaded next time (on a per-aircraft basis, because different aircraft add different views). > > PS: and that's local.nas. Does anyone find the triple-ternary frightening? > > Yes. When the guy that wrote the parser doesn't know what an > expression means, maybe it's time for some parentheses. :) If I want redundancy, I prefer spaces to parentheses any day! :-] m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
What kind of graphic cards do you have?! Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Geoff Reidy wrote: Also I've got some pretty nice screen shots taken at 1400x1050 with anti-aliasing and with the 3d clouds that I could put on a web page if they could be useful. Send them over and if they meet some minimal level of aethetics I'll get them posted. Regards, Curt. Okay I've put them up, they are 1400x1050 jpegs at highest quality so are about 1 meg each. Let me know if you want them downsized or reduced in quality. http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-016.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-018.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-028.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-032.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-035.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-037.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-039.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-049.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-050.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-051.jpg http://home.pacific.net.au/~reidygh/fgfs/fgfs-screen-053.jpg Hmmm, seems to have filled up my web page. Have some nice ones of the ornithopter flapping it's way over San Fran but they're possibly not realistic. Regards, Geoff ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > I think this is a very minor issue > > Agreed. I wouldn't have asked if I had thought that this even is a > controversial topic. I though it's clear which of both are preferred > by the majority of *users*. Maybe an elegant solution would be to write an interface where the user could select which views appeared in the V/v cycle. Then the default list could include the more attractive "chase view", while those interested could re-select "helicopter view" if they wanted it. The whole thing could be implemented with an "enabled" property in the view definition that was honored by view.stepView(). Andy > PS: and that's local.nas. Does anyone find the triple-ternary frightening? Yes. When the guy that wrote the parser doesn't know what an expression means, maybe it's time for some parentheses. :) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
> From: Melchior FRANZ > > * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 11 May 2005 03:38: > > > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > > Anyone preferring "Helicopter View"? > > > > > > > > Yes, me. > > > > While the "Chase view" is a nice demonstration of the viewer code, I > > > > think most people prefer the "Helicopter view" because it doesn't have > > > > the problem of the view going out of sync with gravity. > > > > > > Oh. This is very suprising, if not to say shocking. The "Helicopter View" > > > doesn't resemble *any* real-life view. Not even if you are sitting in the > > > last row of a 747 you'll get anything like that. > > > > I tend to agree with Erik. I don't use the helicopter or chase view for a > > more realistic experience. > > Huh? The more realistic is without any doubt the "Chase View", which I prefer. > Erik prefers the "Helicopter View" nevertheless. You prefer neither? > What I meant by "I agree with Erik" is my preference is the current view 1. My comment was that neither was particulary "realistic", but I did not mean to disagree that there is some view modeling going on with the View 2 that is interesting. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 11 May 2005 18:34:
> I think this is a very minor issue
Agreed. I wouldn't have asked if I had thought that this even is a
controversial topic. I though it's clear which of both are preferred
by the majority of *users*. Developers don't have that 'problem', anyway.
Editing $FG_ROOT/preferences.xml is one way. I only wanted to get rid of
my local changes there out of egotism. (It makes committing other things
easier, if you don't have to back out local modifications. :-) But now
I've created my $FG_ROOT/Nasal/local.nas which does this for me (and
doesn't get in the way when committing. Some nasal knowledge is all
you need.)
> So I'll add my yes vote to the view order swapping idea.
Hmmm ...
m.
PS: and that's local.nas. Does anyone find the triple-ternary frightening?
stepView = func(step) {
curr = getprop("/sim/current-view/view-number");
views = props.globals.getNode("/sim").getChildren("view");
if (step == 1) {
curr = curr == 0 ? 2 : curr == 2 ? 1 : curr == 1 ? 3 : curr + 1;
} elsif (step == -1) {
curr = curr == 3 ? 1 : curr == 1 ? 2 : curr == 2 ? 0 : curr - 1;
}
if (curr < 0) {
curr = size(views) - 1;
} elsif (curr >= size(views)) {
curr = 0;
}
setprop("/sim/current-view/view-number", curr);
}
settimer(func { view.stepView = stepView }, 0);
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
Geoff Reidy wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 11 May 2005 03:38: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Anyone preferring "Helicopter View"? Yes, me. While the "Chase view" is a nice demonstration of the viewer code, I think most people prefer the "Helicopter view" because it doesn't have the problem of the view going out of sync with gravity. Oh. This is very suprising, if not to say shocking. The "Helicopter View" doesn't resemble *any* real-life view. Not even if you are sitting in the last row of a 747 you'll get anything like that. I tend to agree with Erik. I don't use the helicopter or chase view for a more realistic experience. Huh? The more realistic is without any doubt the "Chase View", which I prefer. Erik prefers the "Helicopter View" nevertheless. You prefer neither? Anyway: I thought this was a no-brainer, and that the current setting was just a left-over from past times. (And I assume Erik meant "most people who prefer Helicopter, prefer it because ...", not that "most people prefer" that awkward view.) I'll just continue to apologize to every new user about this and won't bring it up again. So much for usability ... :-/ m. PS: thanks for bothering to reply to all my RFCs! I guess I'm out of ideas now. :-) If an old user can pipe up, I prefer the chase view if I'm in spectator mode, such as watching a replay or on autopilot but if I'm flying and want an outside view then I'll use the helicopter view. Doing acrobatics in chase mode can be pretty hairy :) Mostly if I'm flying though I will be in the cockpit so I personally wouldn't mind if chase view was promoted. One vote for. I think this is a very minor issue, but I generally like the chase view (the one that tracks roll/pitch) more than the helicopter view. I'd have no problem swapping the two, so that ye-olde-average-user sees the chase view first. The experienced users will still be able to quickly pull up any view they want. So I'll add my yes vote to the view order swapping idea. Also I'd like to say the new 3d clouds and start up sequence are great. Also I've got some pretty nice screen shots taken at 1400x1050 with anti-aliasing and with the 3d clouds that I could put on a web page if they could be useful. Send them over and if they meet some minimal level of aethetics I'll get them posted. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 11 May 2005 03:38: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Anyone preferring "Helicopter View"? Yes, me. While the "Chase view" is a nice demonstration of the viewer code, I think most people prefer the "Helicopter view" because it doesn't have the problem of the view going out of sync with gravity. Oh. This is very suprising, if not to say shocking. The "Helicopter View" doesn't resemble *any* real-life view. Not even if you are sitting in the last row of a 747 you'll get anything like that. I tend to agree with Erik. I don't use the helicopter or chase view for a more realistic experience. Huh? The more realistic is without any doubt the "Chase View", which I prefer. Erik prefers the "Helicopter View" nevertheless. You prefer neither? Anyway: I thought this was a no-brainer, and that the current setting was just a left-over from past times. (And I assume Erik meant "most people who prefer Helicopter, prefer it because ...", not that "most people prefer" that awkward view.) I'll just continue to apologize to every new user about this and won't bring it up again. So much for usability ... :-/ m. PS: thanks for bothering to reply to all my RFCs! I guess I'm out of ideas now. :-) If an old user can pipe up, I prefer the chase view if I'm in spectator mode, such as watching a replay or on autopilot but if I'm flying and want an outside view then I'll use the helicopter view. Doing acrobatics in chase mode can be pretty hairy :) Mostly if I'm flying though I will be in the cockpit so I personally wouldn't mind if chase view was promoted. One vote for. Also I'd like to say the new 3d clouds and start up sequence are great. Also I've got some pretty nice screen shots taken at 1400x1050 with anti-aliasing and with the 3d clouds that I could put on a web page if they could be useful. Geoff ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
* Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 11 May 2005 03:38: > > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > Anyone preferring "Helicopter View"? > > > > > > Yes, me. > > > While the "Chase view" is a nice demonstration of the viewer code, I > > > think most people prefer the "Helicopter view" because it doesn't have > > > the problem of the view going out of sync with gravity. > > > > Oh. This is very suprising, if not to say shocking. The "Helicopter View" > > doesn't resemble *any* real-life view. Not even if you are sitting in the > > last row of a 747 you'll get anything like that. > > I tend to agree with Erik. I don't use the helicopter or chase view for a > more realistic experience. Huh? The more realistic is without any doubt the "Chase View", which I prefer. Erik prefers the "Helicopter View" nevertheless. You prefer neither? Anyway: I thought this was a no-brainer, and that the current setting was just a left-over from past times. (And I assume Erik meant "most people who prefer Helicopter, prefer it because ...", not that "most people prefer" that awkward view.) I'll just continue to apologize to every new user about this and won't bring it up again. So much for usability ... :-/ m. PS: thanks for bothering to reply to all my RFCs! I guess I'm out of ideas now. :-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
> From: Melchior FRANZ > > * Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 10 May 2005 13:24: > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > Anyone preferring "Helicopter View"? > > > > Yes, me. > > While the "Chase view" is a nice demonstration of the viewer code, I > > think most people prefer the "Helicopter view" because it doesn't have > > the problem of the view going out of sync with gravity. > > Oh. This is very suprising, if not to say shocking. The "Helicopter View" > doesn't resemble *any* real-life view. Not even if you are sitting in the > last row of a 747 you'll get anything like that. > I tend to agree with Erik. I don't use the helicopter or chase view for a more realistic experience. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] swap chase views
* Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 10 May 2005 13:24: > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > Anyone preferring "Helicopter View"? > > Yes, me. > While the "Chase view" is a nice demonstration of the viewer code, I > think most people prefer the "Helicopter view" because it doesn't have > the problem of the view going out of sync with gravity. Oh. This is very suprising, if not to say shocking. The "Helicopter View" doesn't resemble *any* real-life view. Not even if you are sitting in the last row of a 747 you'll get anything like that. :-( m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
