Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
On Monday 09 August 2004 17:12, Martin Spott wrote: > Gunnstein Lye wrote: > > How? If pulling the collective up makes the heli go up, then I would > > expect the keyboard to behave in the same way: press up/pageup to go up. > > (If he meant "mouse up", then I might agree) > > When you control the collective pitch of a heli flight sim you usually > don't look on what's written on the keys - at least _I_ don't ;-)) > To my sense the two keys substitute a little stick that has a flexible > mounting between them. When you pull the stick, the PgDown key gets > pressed down by the stick due to the flexible mounting. > Then you could adapt the action of "pulling the lever" from the real > heli, > > Martin. That is if the imaginary stick extends away from you (over the Pause/Break button on a normal keyboard). If it extends towards you the effect is the opposite. Anyway, for a user who has never seen the inside of a helicopter cockpit, this just means inverting the meaning of "up" and "down", which surely must be confusing. -- best regards, Gunnstein Lye Systems engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | eZ systems | ez.no ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
Gunnstein Lye wrote: > How? If pulling the collective up makes the heli go up, then I would expect > the keyboard to behave in the same way: press up/pageup to go up. > (If he meant "mouse up", then I might agree) When you control the collective pitch of a heli flight sim you usually don't look on what's written on the keys - at least _I_ don't ;-)) To my sense the two keys substitute a little stick that has a flexible mounting between them. When you pull the stick, the PgDown key gets pressed down by the stick due to the flexible mounting. Then you could adapt the action of "pulling the lever" from the real heli, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
On Monday 09 August 2004 14:37, Martin Spott wrote: > Alex Romosan wrote: > > [...] i use the keyboard mappings and > > a mouse to "fly" and i noticed that the collective is mapped backwards > > (up goes down and down goes up). > > which very much resembles the controls of a real heli ! How? If pulling the collective up makes the heli go up, then I would expect the keyboard to behave in the same way: press up/pageup to go up. (If he meant "mouse up", then I might agree) > A helicopter has sort of a parking brake handle to control the > collective: Pulling the handle increases the collective angle of > attack. > I after updating from CVS I realized that the collective controls via > the keyboard interface have changed and I must admit that I'm pretty > much disappointed, > > Martin. -- best regards, Gunnstein Lye Systems engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | eZ systems | ez.no ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
Alex Romosan wrote: > [...] i use the keyboard mappings and > a mouse to "fly" and i noticed that the collective is mapped backwards > (up goes down and down goes up). which very much resembles the controls of a real heli ! A helicopter has sort of a parking brake handle to control the collective: Pulling the handle increases the collective angle of attack. I after updating from CVS I realized that the collective controls via the keyboard interface have changed and I must admit that I'm pretty much disappointed, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
Jim Wilson wrote: Alex, Those photos are really are nice! Wow! Mind me asking what you took them with? I like how they modeled them after Frederic's models! Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
Alex Romosan said: > recently i took a helicopter tour of san francisco, so i decided to > play a little bit more with the helicopter simulation in fgfs. it's a > lot of fun. a couple of things though. i use the keyboard mappings and > a mouse to "fly" and i noticed that the collective is mapped backwards > (up goes down and down goes up). also i find PageUp and PageDown to be > cumbersome, so i mapped the collective to the 1 and 2 keys (so i can > use my left hand). with these changes i managed to hover and even land > on top of the buildings in downtown sf. i've collected some of the > screenshots at http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs-heli/index.html. for > comparison (although we didn't land on top of any of the buildings :-( > ) the real pictures of sf are at > http://caliban.lbl.gov/sfhelitour/index.html. > Alex, Those photos are really are nice! Wow! Mind me asking what you took them with? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:31:13 -0700 Alex Romosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i've collected some of the > screenshots at http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs-heli/index.html. These are gorgeous, my compliments. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpcEQo6DzTJz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
Alex Romosan wrote: > i've collected some of the > screenshots at http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs-heli/index.html. for > comparison (although we didn't land on top of any of the buildings :-( > ) the real pictures of sf are at > http://caliban.lbl.gov/sfhelitour/index.html. The screenshots are nice but I love the real pictures. They are already one my harddisk for my next modeling session. The fog going down the mountain is really amazing. BTW: I really doubt the real building top are so flat it is possible to land an heli on them. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
Alex Romosan wrote: recently i took a helicopter tour of san francisco, so i decided to play a little bit more with the helicopter simulation in fgfs. it's a lot of fun. a couple of things though. i use the keyboard mappings and a mouse to "fly" and i noticed that the collective is mapped backwards (up goes down and down goes up). also i find PageUp and PageDown to be cumbersome, so i mapped the collective to the 1 and 2 keys (so i can use my left hand). with these changes i managed to hover and even land on top of the buildings in downtown sf. i've collected some of the screenshots at http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs-heli/index.html. for comparison (although we didn't land on top of any of the buildings :-( ) the real pictures of sf are at http://caliban.lbl.gov/sfhelitour/index.html. Great pictures and screenshots. If you have one or two screenshots you are especially fond of, it might be worth putting them on the FG page since I haven't updated screen shots in quite some time. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] bo105 + patch
recently i took a helicopter tour of san francisco, so i decided to play a little bit more with the helicopter simulation in fgfs. it's a lot of fun. a couple of things though. i use the keyboard mappings and a mouse to "fly" and i noticed that the collective is mapped backwards (up goes down and down goes up). also i find PageUp and PageDown to be cumbersome, so i mapped the collective to the 1 and 2 keys (so i can use my left hand). with these changes i managed to hover and even land on top of the buildings in downtown sf. i've collected some of the screenshots at http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs-heli/index.html. for comparison (although we didn't land on top of any of the buildings :-( ) the real pictures of sf are at http://caliban.lbl.gov/sfhelitour/index.html. attached is the patch: ? bo105.patch cvs diff: Diffing . Index: bo105-set.xml === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/bo105/bo105-set.xml,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 bo105-set.xml --- bo105-set.xml 6 Aug 2004 11:12:32 - 1.10 +++ bo105-set.xml 6 Aug 2004 19:25:11 - @@ -153,6 +153,28 @@ + +1 +Collective Down + + nasal + + controls.incThrottle(-0.01, -1.0) + + + + + +2 +Collective Up + +nasal + +controls.incThrottle(0.01, 1.0) + + + + Index: bo105.xml === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/bo105/bo105.xml,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 bo105.xml --- bo105.xml 6 Aug 2004 11:12:33 - 1.9 +++ bo105.xml 6 Aug 2004 19:25:11 - @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ - cvs diff: Diffing Instruments cvs diff: Diffing Instruments/asi cvs diff: Diffing Instruments/tach cvs diff: Diffing Models --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
