Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Martin Spott
Norman Vine wrote: You mean gcc isn't supported on IRIX ?? Once I had GCC on IRIX and I spent numerous hours trying to build FlightGear, dealing with dozends of ICE's. Now I use MIPSpro and I admit that I don't want to go back, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy Ross Sent: 26 May 2005 17:33 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time Richard Bytheway wrote: Would it be possible to have a compiled

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:26:17 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Norman Vine -- Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:05: I guess I should mention the deficiencies of non MSoft OSs but I will leave the *flames* for another time :-) Yeah, don't bother.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2003-September/021434.html I don't see the XML files as being any different then any other source file and source code needs to be compiled. I've had this in the back of my mind ever since you brought it up, but not

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- Erik Hofman Norman Vine wrote: http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2003-Se ptember/021434.html I don't see the XML files as being any different then any other source file and source code needs to be compiled. I've had this in the back

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le jeudi 26 mai 2005 09:35 +0100, Richard Bytheway a crit : -Original Message- Erik Hofman Norman Vine wrote: http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2003-Se ptember/021434.html I don't see the XML files as being any different then any other source file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Martin Spott
Richard Bytheway wrote: Would it be possible to have a compiled form stroed on disk, which is automatically regenerated on startup of FGFS based on rules similar to make. If the ASCII version is newer than the compiled version, rebuild the compiled version. This is a very interesting

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Richard Bytheway wrote: Would it be possible to have a compiled form stroed on disk, which is automatically regenerated on startup of FGFS based on rules similar to make. If the ASCII version is newer than the compiled version, rebuild the compiled version.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Martin Spott
Norman Vine wrote: Martin Spott writes: This is a very interesting approach that you present here - and probably the only one that doesn't destruct the whole idea of having human-adaptable configuration files. In my eyes _dropping_ ASCII XML files from the distribution should considered to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le jeudi 26 mai 2005 14:12 +0200, Gerard ROBIN a crit : Le jeudi 26 mai 2005 14:00 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a crit : * Martin Spott -- Thursday 26 May 2005 13:07: In my eyes _dropping_ ASCII XML files from the distribution should considered to be a no-go, Seconded. And then: it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Andy Ross
Richard Bytheway wrote: Would it be possible to have a compiled form stroed on disk, which is automatically regenerated on startup of FGFS based on rules similar to make. If the ASCII version is newer than the compiled version, rebuild the compiled version. Sorry, but that sounds dumb.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On May 26, 2005 04:32 pm, Andy Ross wrote: Would it be possible to have a compiled form stroed on disk, which is automatically regenerated on startup of FGFS based on rules similar to make. If the ASCII version is newer than the compiled version, rebuild the compiled version. Sorry, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On May 26, 2005 01:43 pm, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: How so?  Python does it by compiling a new *.pyc everytime there is a change to the associated *.py file. Ampere Beside, you don't compile Flightgear everytime you run it. You compile Flightgear when there is a change in the source.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-26 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Norman Vine wrote: Just use the source Luke :-) Yes, I do right on the track to figure how much effort it would be to 'port' CWXML to IRIX/MIPSpro. Apparently they rely on having GCC as compiler on _every_ supported Unix platform. You mean gcc isn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-25 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Durk Talsma wrote: Erik, you are of course in a far better position to judge this than me. As far as I know, though there still seem to be a few design issues with the FlightGear architecture that have evolved into what they are today, yet being slightly less than ideal. For

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-25 Thread Norman Vine
Gerard ROBIN writes: Durk Talsma wrote: Another issue that has been brought up a number of times is the ascii vs binary file format disussion. While I absolutely believe that ascii/xml files are ideal for development work, combined they may have a pretty big impact on

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Norman Vine
* Drew -- Tuesday 24 May 2005 07:54: FlightGear takes nearly a minute to start up from my Windows build, and I'm just wondering if there's an easy way to shorten this if I'm not using all of flightgear's features. Is there one particular task that takes particularly long? Because

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:26:17 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Norman Vine -- Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:05: I guess I should mention the deficiencies of non MSoft OSs but I will leave the *flames* for another time :-) Yeah, don't bother. 99% of Windows users don't know

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Drew
Believe me, guys, if I could use Linux for this application, I would...I am much more familiar with developing in Linux than Windows. Unfortunately, that isn't an option for me in this case. Drew On 5/24/05, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Norman Vine -- Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:05:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Durk Talsma
On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:45, Melchior FRANZ wrote: (1) loading airport and navigation data; very rough guess: ~ 45% (2) initializing subsystems (atc, weather, ai, ...) ~ 30% (3) creating MipMaps (no perceived delay, because it's done in another thread) Maybe this is a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Martin Spott
Drew wrote: Believe me, guys, if I could use Linux for this application, I would...I am much more familiar with developing in Linux than Windows. Unfortunately, that isn't an option for me in this case. Well, I wouldn't use Windows either and I actually don't. But I installed the latest

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le mardi 24 mai 2005 17:42 +0200, Durk Talsma a crit : On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:45, Melchior FRANZ wrote: (1) loading airport and navigation data; very rough guess: ~ 45% (2) initializing subsystems (atc, weather, ai, ...) ~ 30% (3) creating MipMaps (no perceived

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Durk Talsma wrote: Maybe this is a good time time to formulate a though I've had for some time now: With rumours of a possible 1.0.0 version sometime in 2005, I don't think it's a good time to start digging into the basic architecture of FlightGear. However, once version 1.0 is out, wouldn't