Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Steve Hosgood
Martin Spott wrote: Stefan Seifert wrote: That may be a problem, that could affect FGLive, too: http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/15/1451229from=rss Well, you never know which intention sits behind the mentioned EMail, you don't even know the author.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-16 Thread Steve Hosgood
Dave Culp wrote: On Thursday 11 May 2006 11:08 am, Steve Hosgood wrote: Deriving the parameters like "yaw moment due to beta" and other such magic numbers from physical parameters is going to be pretty non-trivial. You can use "common numbers" from some hard to find

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread alexander babichev
Paul Surgeon wrote: Yes. NaturalPoint never authorized the release of the required firmware file required to distribute the Linux drivers. Too sad :( I finished first version of TrackIR support for FlightGear. There are still many things to do, but it works just fine. One can run TrackIR

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread alexander babichev
Pigeon wrote: The problem is not the nvidia or ati binary driver. From their terms it is ok to redistribute their drivers as long as they're not modified. The issue now seems to be GPL not allowing distribution along with non-GPL stuff. Linux is not pure GPL system. It has small but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Nils Erik Svangård
You are right - I have two sound devices - onboard sound (normally activated) and a separate sound-card (not activated). Under Windows I have no drivers installed for the sep. soundcard and Suse10 might have asked me during the installation what sound-device to use (to be honest, I can't

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Pigeon
If you want to use your other card try the command alsaconf and choose the sound card you want to use. (You probably have to be root to do this try sudo alsaconf or su;alsaconf.) This is a problem with all live-Cd's, they pick the first one they find, usually the one on the motherboard. A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:00 -0400, Julien Pierru wrote: I just asked him and he is ok with it, so go for it... Julien The modified OV10 is at http://www.jentronics.com/fgfs/OV10_USAFE.tgz I included the entire OV10_USAFE directory because I was too lazy to just pull the added files. Start

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:00 -0400, Julien Pierru wrote: For some reason this message seems to have not shown up on the list so I shall resend. Excuse if it arrives twice... I just asked him and he is ok with it, so go for it... Julien The modified OV10 is at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2006 20:43:32 +0200, Stefan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That may be a problem, that could affect FGLive, too: http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/15/1451229from=rss ..nope, all we need to do is kick out the ATI and Nvidea proprietary

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..we do have the right to distribute the GPL ati and radeon drivers under the GPL. This is a very strong reason Nvidea would consider honoring our question to distribute their proprietary binary drivers favorably, or watch ATI get all the FGLive business on GPL drivers.

[Flightgear-devel] sound issue

2006-05-16 Thread Justin Smithies
Hi Guys, I need some help with attatching sound to a property. This is what i've got but if i operate the speedbrake the sound just runs forever because my speedbrakes in the surface postions never gets to bang on 1 or bang on 0 . So how do i modify this so the sound will stop

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-16 Thread Jon S. Berndt
I'm working on a thorough document now, but I still only hav e alittle psare time in which to write it. :-( Jon -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Steve HosgoodSent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:22 AMTo:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] possible solution to online flying (VATSIM)?!

2006-05-16 Thread Martin Spott
Major A wrote: that there might arise some chance to let FG participate in a VATSIM network as - I didn't verify this information ! - significant changes to their network protocol are supposed to happen which could obsolete the political reasons to keep FG outside their network, That's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Martin Spott
Steve Hosgood wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Maybe it's just a 'symptom', a side-effect of the fight about the Right Way (TM) on how to use OpenGL for desktop eye candy, probably driven by jealousy ?!? There's been a Slashdot thread covering this at:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: Crash Tenders

2006-05-16 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: It's interesting to read my own posting with a delay of nothing more than four days Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Nils Erik Svangård schrieb: You are right - I have two sound devices - onboard sound (normally activated) and a separate sound-card (not activated). Under Windows I have no drivers installed for the sep. soundcard and Suse10 might have asked me during the installation what sound-device to use

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Steve Hosgood
Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..we do have the right to distribute the GPL ati and radeon drivers under the GPL. Yeah, but they suck in comparison with the binary drivers. There's no 3D acceleration. This is a very strong reason Nvidea would consider honoring our question to distribute their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Culp
On Friday 12 May 2006 08:21 am, Steve Hosgood wrote: What I meant was, regardless that most of the physical measurements are missing from jsbsim's .xml files, **Aeromatic** should have a way of specifying them so that it can produce the right magic coefficients. Yet it doesn't. Aeromatic is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Culp
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 11:40 am, Steve Hosgood wrote: Trouble is, most aircraft modellers would struggle to work out what those effects are. So we might expect that Aeromatic (which is the compiler if you like) actually takes in a value for dihedral and works out the magic numbers for the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Arnt Karlsen -- Friday 12 May 2006 18:45: Aye, and AFAIII, it jjust says contact some guy for commercial use. Nothing on commercial distribution, which is allowed under the GPL. And, of course, commercial *use* is also allowed by the GPL and can't be forbidden. Another illegal restriction.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: Crash Tenders

2006-05-16 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 18:12, Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: It's interesting to read my own posting with a delay of nothing more than four days Martin. Same here. :) I thought snail-mail was slow. Paul --- Using

[Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: Crash Tenders

2006-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* dene maxwell -- Tuesday 16 May 2006 22:23: I've spent the last four days Googling for holiday weekends that apply to the rest of the world that I might not have known about!!! ;) :-) The sad fact is, that sf.net is completely f*cked up since a few days. One server outage after the other.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: Crash Tenders

2006-05-16 Thread dene maxwell
When I was involved in maintaining a telco network Unplanned maintenance was the fancy term for it broke so we fixed it ASAP :-) :- D From: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel]

[Flightgear-devel] [Fwd: Martin Spott - did you read this LinuxTag related mail?]

2006-05-16 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Martin Spott - did you read this LinuxTag related mail? Datum: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:38:44 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: FlightGear Developers List flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Hi Martin, due to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:22:47 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2006 20:43:32 +0200, Stefan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That may be a problem, that could affect FGLive, too:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:29:19 +0100, Steve wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..we do have the right to distribute the GPL ati and radeon drivers under the GPL. Yeah, but they suck in comparison with the binary drivers. There's no 3D acceleration. ..huh? I have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim engine config

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:24:03 +0200, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:33, Dave Culp wrote: I have over 14000 hrs in turbines and have only seen one overrev, and that was caused by a failed fuel control. Oh ... so it's that scarce. In that case I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 May 2006 14:06:19 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..we do have the right to distribute the GPL ati and radeon drivers under the GPL. This is a very strong reason Nvidea would consider honoring our question to distribute their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:29:48 +0900, alexander wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..nope, all we need to do is kick out the ATI and Nvidea proprietary binaries and set up scripts to download them if anyone needs them. No, all we need is to read license text :)

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear history

2006-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I decided this was interesting enough to post on the announce mailing list. In 1997, Michael Basler wrote a German language article on the status and future goals of the FlightGear project. Two weeks ago, Ben Outram did a nice translation of this article to English (for the benefit of us who

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Arnt Karlsen -- Friday 12 May 2006 18:45: Aye, and AFAIII, it jjust says contact some guy for commercial use. Nothing on commercial distribution, which is allowed under the GPL. And, of course, commercial *use* is also allowed by the GPL and can't

[Flightgear-devel] Re: FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Pigeon
..we do have the right to distribute the GPL ati and radeon drivers under the GPL. This is a very strong reason Nvidea would consider honoring our question to distribute their proprietary binary drivers favorably, or watch ATI get all the FGLive business on GPL drivers. ..we need only ask

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Stefan Seifert
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 12 May 2006 08:35:51 +0900, alexander wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anders Gidenstam wrote: There are some drivers for Linux, but nothing that really works. TrackIR manufacturer wants to develop such drivers, but dislike making it open source for some

[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear source

2006-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2006-05-08_14:35:29 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Autopilot/Makefile.am /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Autopilot/auto_gui.cxx /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Autopilot/auto_gui.hxx

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:47:59 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Arnt Karlsen -- Friday 12 May 2006 13:18: Explicitly so: ARToolKit is distributed free for non-commercial use under the GPL license. For commercial uses of ARToolKit or other questions contact Mark

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread Steve Hosgood
Martin Spott wrote: Steve Hosgood wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Maybe it's just a 'symptom', a side-effect of the fight about the Right Way (TM) on how to use OpenGL for desktop eye candy, probably driven by jealousy ?!? There's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:04:57 +0200 (CEST), Anders wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 16 May 2006, alexander babichev wrote: I finished first version of TrackIR support for FlightGear. There are still many things to do, but it works just fine. One can run TrackIR on Windows

Re: [Flightgear-devel] sound issue

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Culp
On Saturday 13 May 2006 09:20 am, Justin Smithies wrote: This is what i've got but if i operate the speedbrake the sound just runs forever because my speedbrakes in the surface postions never gets to bang on 1 or bang on 0 . speedbrake namespeedbrake/name modein-transit/mode

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: Crash Tenders

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:35:06 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * dene maxwell -- Tuesday 16 May 2006 22:23: I've spent the last four days Googling for holiday weekends that apply to the rest of the world that I might not have known about!!! ;) :-) The sad fact is,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Formation Flying

2006-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 17 May 2006 00:12:53 +0200 (CEST), Anders wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 16 May 2006, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Arnt Karlsen -- Friday 12 May 2006 18:45: Aye, and AFAIII, it jjust says contact some guy for commercial use. Nothing on commercial distribution, which is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 alpha available for testing

2006-05-16 Thread alexander babichev
Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..nope, all we need to do is kick out the ATI and Nvidea proprietary binaries and set up scripts to download them if anyone needs them. No, all we need is to read license text :) Look at http://www.nvidia.com/object/nv_swlicense.html It is legal to include NVidia drivers