Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
I would have responded in this thread but decided not to since it probably would only add fuel to it. Let stick to that it's tasteless and realize that FlightGear has no support for weapons of mass murder. So this mission will end up being merely a sightseeing mission. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Spott
Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote: If you agree with me, please help me change his plan. I do sympathise with your feelings - this plan is pretty much tasteless, ridiculous. I think the only measure against such plans is education. Best regards, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just

[Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread Tim Moore
By way of experimentation, and to move the discussion about source control forward, I've put git repositories for FlightGear and SimGear up at http://gitorious.org/fg. These are somewhat special in that they include all the history of the project back to 1997, as reconstructed from the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread willie
Victhor Foster wrote: I don't remember when this started, I think it was a week or so. Well, the Sun bug is simple: switching time to Dawn/Dusk will cause the sun colors to start flashing between the correct colors and morning/noon/ afternoon colors. The weather bug is: after about 1

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:59:46 +0200, Erik wrote in message 4ab32fe2.4040...@ehofman.com: I would have responded in this thread but decided not to since it probably would only add fuel to it. Let stick to that it's tasteless and realize that FlightGear has no support for weapons of mass

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Tim, The big hang up in the investigation has been the size of our data package. If we can find one of these established places that is willing to host a couple Gb size project, then the source will fall into place quite easily. That was one potential advantage to code.google.com ... we have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Friday 18 September 2009 14:56:12 Curtis Olson wrote: Github wrote us back saying: Git doesn't work very well with large amounts of binary assets. They didn't offer further explanation to where the problems might be? Maybe they were just putting the brakes on and didn't want to offer to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread leee
The most depressing thing about this thread is that it highlights the fact that many people seem to think that the best way to deal with unpleasant events in history is to mythologise and make them sacred and untouchable, and then to try to force other people to comply with their personal

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Nicolas Quijano
Hi lee, funny enough I mostly agree. But I'm sorry, it's really easy to ignore you because like some of the fanbois of the event, you're resorting to demeaning language to speak of those who don't agree with you, showing exactly the intolerance you're decrying. At least, you're not resorting to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Heiko Schulz
First: we are an OpenSource project- open and free to all! We can't preventing militaries using FGFS to develope military stuff to kill people. So I don't see a chance to prevent those kids making this event. But we are allowed to say our opinion about and trying them to convince with facts

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
AJ MacLeod wrote: On Friday 18 September 2009 14:56:12 Curtis Olson wrote: Github wrote us back saying: Git doesn't work very well with large amounts of binary assets. They didn't offer further explanation to where the problems might be? Maybe they were just putting the brakes on and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread Alex Buzin
Victhor Foster wrote: I don't remember when this started, I think it was a week or so. Well, the Sun bug is simple: switching time to Dawn/Dusk will cause the sun colors to start flashing between the correct colors and morning/noon/ afternoon colors. The weather bug is: after about 1

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread leee
On Friday 18 Sep 2009, Nicolas Quijano wrote: Hi lee, funny enough I mostly agree. But I'm sorry, it's really easy to ignore you because like some of the fanbois of the event, you're resorting to demeaning language to speak of those who don't agree with you, showing exactly the intolerance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
Lee, I do agree with all you wrote and started something similar but then decided I didn' t find this mailinglist the place to discuss it. Still, I do agree. Erik -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread Alex Perry
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: One thing I have been wondering since this discussion started; Google seems to have found a nice way to add small diffs for binary data[1]. Maybe they have incorporated that into their repository? If they have, it won't help

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread Nicolas Quijano
binary data != binary code. Binary data is ALL the images files included in aircraft, possibly some models format supported by OSG (like .ive), all sound files, that sort of thing. CVS is notoriously bad at handling these files, and very inefficient at doing so. I believe that's what Erik meant.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread leee
On Friday 18 Sep 2009, Heiko Schulz wrote: First: we are an OpenSource project- open and free to all! We can't preventing militaries using FGFS to develope military stuff to kill people. So I don't see a chance to prevent those kids making this event. But we are allowed to say our opinion

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread leee
On Friday 18 Sep 2009, Erik Hofman wrote: Lee, I do agree with all you wrote and started something similar but then decided I didn' t find this mailinglist the place to discuss it. Still, I do agree. Erik I agree that this isn't the right place for this discussion but I was so annoyed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread syd adams
I have no idea what the problem might be , but while the flickering happens , the /rendering/scene/ambient and specular colors jump by about a factor of 0.2. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
Ah ok, I didn't realize it is aimed at machine code only. Erik Nicolas Quijano wrote: binary data != binary code. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Alex Perry alex.pe...@pamurray.com If they have, it won't help us. We're not distributing blobs of x86 machine code.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
syd adams wrote: I have no idea what the problem might be , but while the flickering happens , the /rendering/scene/ambient and specular colors jump by about a factor of 0.2. I'll try to take a look at it this weekend. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki theme

2009-09-18 Thread Simon Hollier
Hi Gijs, On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com wrote: Gijs de Rooy wrote: I would be glad to translate a couple of pages into Dutch for a test. Please take a look at the Main PageĀ for an example making use of the third option offered by Simon. Comments are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problematic forum discussion on an MP event

2009-09-18 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Ieee. Do not nudge my expressions and thought. First, I didn't express this is the recreation of the a-bomb raids. That's way far from what I've said. Second, I didn't say I ignored many of the posts. I skipped some meaningless posts on the forum, and I wrote that because I might have skipped

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread syd adams
Just more observations ... /environment/dewpoint-degc flickers by about 4.0 degrees , as if Im going through layers as i climb , and airspeed needle starts oscillating rapidly above a certain altitude , but haven't pinned down the altitude when the changes start* *

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
syd adams wrote: Just more observations ... /environment/dewpoint-degc flickers by about 4.0 degrees , as if Im going through layers as i climb , and airspeed needle starts oscillating rapidly above a certain altitude , but haven't pinned down the altitude when the changes start* * That

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread syd adams
I'm suspecting environment.cxx , since the airspeed indicator uses environment/density-slugft3 , possibly causing the rapid oscillation . I also see two // FIXME: this will work only for low elevations, in the dewpoint calculations. Maybe that's causing the very high altitude percipitation. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs

2009-09-18 Thread willie
syd adams wrote: I'm suspecting environment.cxx , since the airspeed indicator uses environment/density-slugft3 , possibly causing the rapid oscillation . I also see two // FIXME: this will work only for low elevations, in the dewpoint calculations. Maybe that's causing the very high altitude