Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-11-28 Thread Durk Talsma
On Sunday 05 October 2008 10:13:54 Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-11-16 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-11-16 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Gerard, On Sunday 16 November 2008 15:22:50 gerard robin wrote: could you include the Caudron C684 http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/f/fa/C684-1.png Great Aircraft, Model, FDM, Cockpit ... It should be able to pretend. Cheers Thanks for pointing out this little gem. I took it up

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-06 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Sonntag, den 05.10.2008, 10:13 +0200 schrieb Durk Talsma: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-06 Thread LeeE
The SU-37 should be regarded as experimental and I did it primarily to see if I could reproduce some of the aerodynamic properties and behaviour of the real-life vectored-thrust/canard equipped SU-30 series aircraft in YASim. For the most part, I felt it was successful but there are some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Christian Schmitt
Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Great to hear we gonna have a new release this year! I would like to have the 747-400 in the list, but if I read these two points: - disk space (what is the maximum?) - completeness (when is a plane completed?) I don't think it would be suitable ;)My top 10, in alphabetical order Airbus A380

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, Great to hear we gonna have a new release this year! I would like to have the 747-400 in the list, but if I read these two points: - disk space (what is the maximum?) - completeness (when is a plane completed?) I don't think it would be suitable ;)My top 10, in alphabetical order

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or post a link to your aircraft here. (IRC

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Which won't be possible, because there is missing the Carrier position calculation ( i asked

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Heiko Schulz -- Sunday 05 October 2008: I think we don't should change the base package. We should definitely add one of the airships. I will try to get most of my projects now into CVS, [...] Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, gerard robin wrote: On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Which won't be possible, because there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Martin Spott
Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit more touch,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Forgot ne aircraft: the F14 is really nice and has a lot of features! It should be in the package! Cheers HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Forgot ne aircraft: the F14 is really nice and has a lot of features! It should be in the package! Cheers HHS But as Durk said the planes shouldn't be to heavy sized... F-14 is almost 25 mb! Wouldn't that be to heavy? _ Uniek:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hello, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, But as Durk said the planes shouldn't be to heavy sized... F-14 is almost 25 mb! Wouldn't that be to heavy? Depends on the other aircrafts we choose! ;-) We don't should forget, that with the quality also raises the size! And our aircrafts get better and better! Looking at MSFS: the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, gerard robin wrote: On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, gerard robin wrote: On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Heiko Schulz wrote: Martin wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Erik Hofman
Stuart Buchanan wrote: If you are doing all that work, it might be worth de-coupling the c172p from all the other c172 Aircraft in CVS (c172, c172r), so it is self-contained and we only have to include a single directory. Actually I thought I had done that already quite some time ago?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread James Turner
On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Georg Vollnhals
James Turner schrieb: On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Matthew Tippett
This is sounding like a 'base' and a 'full' or 'extras' release packages. The base release should contain what is suggested here - a collection of best of breed aircraft for particular classes that people are interested in. The 'full' provides a collection of 'complete' aircraft, but may

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Vivian Meazza
James Turner wrote On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Matthew Tippett wrote: Likewise with scenery. The default location and whatever demo locations should ship with reasonably detailed scenery + other common locations. The 'full' brings in other common scenery, and 'extras' brings in everything else. (Integrating terragear as a thread within

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread gerard robin
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Matthew Tippett wrote: This is sounding like a 'base' and a 'full' or 'extras' release packages. The base release should contain what is suggested here - a collection of best of breed aircraft for particular classes that people are interested in. The 'full'

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Matthew Tippett
Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Regards... Matthew On 10/5/08, Ralf Gerlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Jon Stockill
Matthew Tippett wrote: Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Bittorrent is ok for downloading huge chunks of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Vivian Meazza
Matthew Tippett wrote Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Regards... Matthew On 10/5/08, Ralf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Matthew Tippett
It was meant more as a concept... Although with dedicated servers (effectively the same as the current rsync servers), there should always be a subset of servers providing all the data. Extra users seeding and sharing at runtime would just be gravy. Incomplete data would be just as likely as a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Ummon Karpe
I would love to see the Su-37 in the base release. However, it seems like it still needs some work. What is your opinion? -Ummon ___ On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Vivian Meazza wrote: Terrasync does not work with Windows (it needs Cygwin, which is a bridge too far for many of our customers). I would recommend that we do not consider any scheme which requires terrasync. As mentioned previously here and other places,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
If we're aiming for a release around Christmas then I could probably get a set of full 3d instruments done before then. (I can probably cheat and steal most of them from the Grob 115 and just update the instrument face textures). Jon I know- for this my thanks goes to Thorsten

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Christian Schmitt -- Sunday 05 October 2008: I clearly vote for the Concorde here. From the Concord developer: Note that with OSG, many 2D hotspots are missing inside the Concorde (that works with Plib). Perhaps because of clipping of 2D panels by 3D flatness. Though that doesn't really

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Rob Shearman, Jr.
I'm usually just a lurker on this list but my choices for the most visually and flyably realistic planes are: * C172P Skyhawk (3d panel, of course) * pa28-161 -- Piper Cherokee Warrior II * Pilatus PC-6 Turbo Porter (with the amazing walk features) * Boeing 787-8

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, ... * EC135 I vote against this! Thanks for that, but I don't think only the appearence of modeling should count. The main thing of our helis are that they are really realistic- much more maybe than other sims ( MSFS anyway). Though of lacking data, the ec135 in opposite to the bo105

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Michael Smith
Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Martin Spott
Matthew Tippett wrote: With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). We're in negotiations for having a nice - somehow 'sponsored' -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations

2008-10-05 Thread Martin Spott
Vivian Meazza wrote: I would personally like to see a float/seaplane included Oh yes, to support this idea, I'm going to add Vancouver Coal Harbour (now: Vancouver Harbour Water Airport) to our airport list ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its