Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-13 Thread gerard robin
On vendredi 13 février 2009, Detlef Faber wrote: > Am Freitag, den 13.02.2009, 13:56 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: SNIP > > > > BTW: it is existing a JSBSim FDM for the p51d. > > Aeromatic / Jon Berndt / DATCOM > > 2001-01-01 > > $Revision: 1.15 $ > > Simple mod

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-13 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Freitag, den 13.02.2009, 13:56 +0100 schrieb gerard robin: > On vendredi 13 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > SNIP > > > > Nobody doubts that *you* take your modeling serious. This is > > obvious, and a great contribution to fgfs. Just don't accuse > > others of not taking it *as* seriously

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-13 Thread gerard robin
On vendredi 13 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: SNIP > > Nobody doubts that *you* take your modeling serious. This is > obvious, and a great contribution to fgfs. Just don't accuse > others of not taking it *as* seriously at every occasion, even > if you don't agree with their results. (What abo

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-13 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Friday 13 February 2009: > Anyhow, i only reproduce what i have heard. :) The problem is that you keep making false claims even after you've been told that they are wrong. This is by far not the first case. And if the claims put other developers' work down (while praising your

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-13 Thread Paul Duncan
--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Alasdair Campbell wrote: > My first hard drive was for my Atari 1040ST, cost a fortune and weighed in at a _massive_ 40 MB. That's right folks, MB not GB. About a hundred floppies, wow, inexhaustable. The came graphics and GUIs. :( The money you wasted on FSX would have go

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: Alasdair Campbell [mailto:ali...@btinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:26 PM > > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:23 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > > > Will have a look at the FG-X I bought today soon and see if it is > > > any better (concerning the gl

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Thursday 12 February 2009 02:51:09 pm Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Thursday 12 February 2009: > > Some Aircraft modelers prefer to define the Aircraft FDM > > customized more easy to fly, which can explain that P-51 > > behaviour. > > You are the main source of unjustified, malicio

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread LeeE
Jeez - getting upset about whether people top post in a reply is like getting upset because they respond with the wrong accent. Is it really worth the effort of debating something so trivial? It's the meaning of what is said that is the most important thing, not how it's said. The FG mailing

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: Dan Lyke [mailto:danl...@flutterby.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:20 PM > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:54:47 +0100 > "Bo Berglund" wrote: > > I might still do it since FS-X Deluxe is on sale for the equivalent > > of 38 USD. Not a lot of money to bo

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 12 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Thursday 12 February 2009: > > Some Aircraft modelers prefer to define the Aircraft FDM > > customized more easy to fly, which can explain that P-51 > > behaviour. > > You are the main source of unjustified, malicious claims. > >

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 12 février 2009, Alasdair Campbell wrote: > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:23 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Bo Berglund [mailto:bo.bergl...@telia.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:59 PM > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: H

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Thursday 12 February 2009: > Some Aircraft modelers prefer to define the Aircraft FDM > customized more easy to fly, which can explain that P-51 > behaviour. You are the main source of unjustified, malicious claims. No FDM developer in FlightGear ever made the config easy to f

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 12 février 2009, Dan Lyke wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:54:47 +0100 > > "Bo Berglund" wrote: > > I might still do it since FS-X Deluxe is on sale for the equivalent > > of 38 USD. Not a lot of money to bother with... > > I'm not an expert. I haven't been in a seat with a stick or a yoke

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Alasdair Campbell
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:23 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Bo Berglund [mailto:bo.bergl...@telia.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:59 PM > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Heiko Schulz [mailto:aeitsch...@yahoo.de] > > > Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: Bo Berglund [mailto:bo.bergl...@telia.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:59 PM > > > -Original Message- > > From: Heiko Schulz [mailto:aeitsch...@yahoo.de] > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:35 PM > > > > >You are right , however if you

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Dan Lyke
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:54:47 +0100 "Bo Berglund" wrote: > I might still do it since FS-X Deluxe is on sale for the equivalent > of 38 USD. Not a lot of money to bother with... I'm not an expert. I haven't been in a seat with a stick or a yoke for nigh on to three and a half decades, when I was a

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Curtis Olson
Hehe, I have a mail client that keeps messages within a single thread logically grouped together, and also effectively hides extraneous, multi-nested, quoted past messages, so top posting doesn't bother me. But if we need to keep the thread history preserved accurately in each revision of each rep

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Andrew Gorman
>* Andrew Gorman -- Thursday 12 February 2009: >> Sorry for top posting everyone, > > So, why are you doing it then, if you know that it's a disease? > That's like saying "sorry for spitting in your face", and then > doing it. > > m. > > > A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation >

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Andrew Gorman -- Thursday 12 February 2009: > Sorry for top posting everyone, So, why are you doing it then, if you know that it's a disease? That's like saying "sorry for spitting in your face", and then doing it. m. A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation Q: Why is top-posting b

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Andrew Gorman
Sorry for top posting everyone, I have both FlightGear and a program called X-Plane. You mentioned you would happily spend US$38 for FSXyou can get X-Plane 9 (www.x_plane.com), for US$39. As a default it comes with a Glider, the ASK 21. I just had a look and it comes with a decent panel. Y

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: Heiko Schulz [mailto:aeitsch...@yahoo.de] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:35 PM > > >You are right , however if you had asked to the Authors => > Heiko Schulz and > >AJ MacLeod of that aircraft , you would have saved time ( > and money) . > >Thes

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Heiko Schulz
>You are right , however if you had asked to the Authors => Heiko Schulz and >AJ MacLeod of that aircraft , you would have saved time ( and money) . >These men are ever ready to answer. He got a Email from me, answering and my offer to help ( Hey- he is the first ASK21-pilot I met here-

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 12 février 2009, Bo Berglund wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: gerard robin [mailto:ghma...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:23 PM > > > > On jeudi 12 février 2009, Alasdair Campbell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 17:54 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: gerard robin [mailto:ghma...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:23 PM > > On jeudi 12 février 2009, Alasdair Campbell wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 17:54 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > > > From: Paul Duncan [mailto:rvsji...@yahoo.com] > > > Sent

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 12 février 2009, Alasdair Campbell wrote: > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 17:54 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > > From: Paul Duncan [mailto:rvsji...@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:21 AM > > > > >>--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bo Berglund wrote: > > >> > > >>Maybe I should just buy FS-X in

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Alasdair Campbell
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 17:54 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > From: Paul Duncan [mailto:rvsji...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:21 AM > >>--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bo Berglund wrote: > >> > >>Maybe I should just buy FS-X instead? > > > >You might not want to, bearing in mind

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Bo Berglund
From: Paul Duncan [mailto:rvsji...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:21 AM >>--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bo Berglund wrote: >> >>Maybe I should just buy FS-X instead? > >You might not want to, bearing in mind that Microsoft has just >ditched an awful lot of FlightSim develo

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-12 Thread Paul Duncan
--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bo Berglund wrote: Maybe I should just buy FS-X instead? You might not want to, bearing in mind that Microsoft has just ditched an awful lot of FlightSim development and maintenance team... -

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 00:02 +0100, Oliver Heesakkers wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:00:46 Bo Berglund wrote: > > > > Thanks, > > now I can see the ASK21 from the top. > > But I have to give up anyway because there is no way I can understand this > > program. > > I'd hate to steal anyon

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread Oliver Heesakkers
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 19:00:46 Bo Berglund wrote: > > Thanks, > now I can see the ASK21 from the top. > But I have to give up anyway because there is no way I can understand this > program. I'd hate to steal anyone's thunder, but I got inspired by this thread and already knew some Blende

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread syd
>>> Maybe I should just buy FS-X instead? >>> >>> Thats completely up to you :) > Thanks, > now I can see the ASK21 from the top. > But I have to give up anyway because there is no way I can understand this > program. For example how to zoom in on the instrument panel and see it from > the

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 10:00:46 am Bo Berglund wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: gerard robin [mailto:ghma...@gmail.com] > > > > > > that section of file is not done by hand ... it's part of > > > > a 3d model > > > > > > file (.ac format). The instruments on this aircraft are

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: gerard robin [mailto:ghma...@gmail.com] > > > > that section of file is not done by hand ... it's part of > a 3d model > > > file (.ac format). The instruments on this aircraft are 3d > > > models , not > > > part of a 2d panel which is a completely dif

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 11 février 2009, Bo Berglund wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: syd [mailto:s...@telus.net] > > > > > on line 3912 and following I find this: > > > > > > OBJECT poly > > > name "asi" > > > data 9 > > > Plane.010 > > > texture "fahrtenmesser.rgb" > > > texrep 1 1 > > > creas

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 11 février 2009, Bo Berglund wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: syd [mailto:s...@telus.net] > > > > > on line 3912 and following I find this: > > > > > > OBJECT poly > > > name "asi" > > > data 9 > > > Plane.010 > > > texture "fahrtenmesser.rgb" > > > texrep 1 1 > > > creas

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-11 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: syd [mailto:s...@telus.net] > > > on line 3912 and following I find this: > > > > OBJECT poly > > name "asi" > > data 9 > > Plane.010 > > texture "fahrtenmesser.rgb" > > texrep 1 1 > > crease 30.00 > > numvert 153 > > > > Then follows a large array of numb

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-10 Thread syd
> on line 3912 and following I find this: > > OBJECT poly > name "asi" > data 9 > Plane.010 > texture "fahrtenmesser.rgb" > texrep 1 1 > crease 30.00 > numvert 153 > > Then follows a large array of numbers from line 3920 to line 4072. > > I can't believe that this file is created by hand. Is t

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-10 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: Detlef Faber [mailto:fa...@sol2500.net] > > Am Dienstag, den 10.02.2009, 19:32 +0100 schrieb Bo Berglund: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Detlef Faber [mailto:fa...@sol2500.net] > > > > > > > 2. Instrumentation > > > > --- > > >

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-10 Thread Detlef Faber
Am Dienstag, den 10.02.2009, 19:32 +0100 schrieb Bo Berglund: > > -Original Message- > > From: Detlef Faber [mailto:fa...@sol2500.net] > > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions > > > > Hi Bo, > > > > Am Montag, den 09.02.2009, 22:33 +

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-10 Thread Bo Berglund
> -Original Message- > From: Detlef Faber [mailto:fa...@sol2500.net] > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions > > Hi Bo, > > Am Montag, den 09.02.2009, 22:33 +0100 schrieb Bo Berglund: > > I was told that there was a glider available for download

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-09 Thread Detlef Faber
Hi Bo, Am Montag, den 09.02.2009, 22:33 +0100 schrieb Bo Berglund: > I was told that there was a glider available for download so I went searching > and found the ASK-21 (which I have flown a lot in real life). > I found it as "early production" from 2007, but downloaded it and had a go > and no

Re: [Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-09 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Monday 09 February 2009 01:33:44 pm Bo Berglund wrote: > I was told that there was a glider available for download so I went > searching and found the ASK-21 (which I have flown a lot in real life). I > found it as "early production" from 2007, but downloaded it and had a go > and now I have a f

[Flightgear-users] ASK-21 questions

2009-02-09 Thread Bo Berglund
I was told that there was a glider available for download so I went searching and found the ASK-21 (which I have flown a lot in real life). I found it as "early production" from 2007, but downloaded it and had a go and now I have a few questions (being a FlightGear newbie...): 1. Simulation real