VideoRiflessi 2000 / Poevisioni
Politeama Ruzzi - Corso Nuova Italia
Vasto - CH
Video Digital Video
Video, CD Web Poetry
Sounds
Images
Among the artists:
Anna Alchuk, Antal Lux, Akenaton, Wilton Azevedo, Beatrice Babin, Brice
Bowman, Halsey Brown, Dimitri Bulatov, Doc(k)s, Ginestra Calzolari,
deux milles remerciements aux chers amis--
2000 thanks to dear friends--
"Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ"
for sending me this
--david baptiste chirot
Got this from a friend,
enjoy
_
Get more fr
hmmm . . .
joseph beuys--or joseph campbell? --THE HERO WITH A THOUSAND
FACES!
--chirot
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Eric Andersen wrote:
No, it wasn't just the artmarket. In the 70's the perfect, political
radical, correct cocktail consisted of wholoism, theosophy, ecology and
a little
well--oldest art forms are visual poetry, panting, really--
cave paintings, petroglyphs, objects -fetishes of Goddesses--
is painting relevant?
well--i started off as a housepainter, moved on to grafitti and
now do visual poetry using spray paint,
I am proud to announce you that past week the site The House of the Small
Languages" got over the 5000 visitors.
J'ai le plaisir et la joie de vous annoncer que la semaine derniere le site
The House of the Small Languages" a passe les 5000 visteurs.
Ik heb de vreugde U aan te kondigen dat
lived for years in mafia neighborhood in
Somerville, MA
my nickname was "Kid"--
i kid you not--
dbchirot
Estimado pez:
many thanks for your wonderful prhasings--
"obsolete paraphernalia from a hat"!
as there is also myth of Dada being name "pulled out of hat"!
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, narvis ...pez wrote:
At 03:50 pm +0100 12/12/00, Eric Andersen wrote:
Here
Real Correspondence
is a mail art bulletin edited very irregularly by Vittore Baroni for Near The
Edge Editions, via C. Battisti 339, 55049 Viareggio, Italy. It is distributed
free by snail-mail since 1980 and also in e-mail version since 1998.
This is the December 2000 issue, announcing
note--has some addresses may be of interest--
From: Annick Bureaud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Art l're post-biologique - Art in the post-biological era
OLATS and CAiiA-STAR - in partnership with the C.ID. Mdiathque of the
National School of Fine Arts - is presenting on December
"Paradoxism", a vanguard literary and scientific
movement, as an anti-communist protest, set up by the
writer Florentin Smarandache in 1980s, and based on an
excessive use of antitheses, antinomies,
contradictions, paradoxes in creation, is on the web:
- in English language at:
A// ESPAOL
B// ENGLISH
C// PARTICIPANTES/PARTICIPANS
A//
Participantes actuales en el debate sobre mail art en la web
http://www.fut.es/~boek861
b// People who, until now, have participate in the debate about mail
art in the web
http://www.fut.es/~boek861
C// participantes/participans//:
RUE DE
Real Correspondence
is a mail art bulletin edited very irregularly by Vittore Baroni for Near The
Edge Editions, via C. Battisti 339, 55049 Viareggio, Italy. It is distributed
free by snail-mail since 1980 and also in e-mail version since 1998.
This is the December 2000 issue, announcing
est art form yet so much also part of modern world
since its "official" appearance with Mallarme's "Un Coup de des"--
to this day find the quiet Schwitters far more daily inspration
when out finding things in the street for works--than more bombastic
Beuys--
still
on/mathametician--
from far off places we are near at hand--
and vice versa--
is important to remember--
here is also somehwhere else, and we make for the here to there the
kind of machines i suppose if one wants to deem them so, to move from here
to there as m
I shd note--re "Something Else"--Dick Higgins' old press up in
vermont--
main influence for me not even a "real life" artist for all saying
about the "concrete"--but Gulley Jimson from the novel and film--THE
HORSE'S
MOUTH--
art/life--not a barrier at all, but an
e extended in space
and time--via working with their rhythms in the soundings--
david baptiste chirot
On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Keri Tom Marion wrote:
i would absolutely like to participate.
km
From: "Ceyda Karamürsel (Customertech-Yet.Uzm.)"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EM
i am usually preoccupied at this time with the ritual sacrifice
of various Old Skins
the performance of the Stations of the Cross
my hands bloodied with self-inflicted sigmata, my back flayed by
delieriously pecking crows and my knees filled with pebbles, the joints
it
--dbchirot
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, narvis ...pez wrote:
cause i have orange trees
i lovit to participate in such a convocatori
but
to which adress?
...pez
At 02:49 pm -0600 17/11/00, David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
A// ESPA-OL
B// VALENCI¿
C// FRAN«AIS
D// DEUTSCH
E// ENGLISH
F
A// ESPAÑOL
B// VALENCIÀ
C// FRANÇAIS
D// DEUTSCH
E// ENGLISH
F// ITALIANO
"Amigos Mail-artistas:
La exposición correspondiente a la convocatoria MAIL ART "LA NARANJA:
EXPRIME TUS IDEAS" se inaugurará en
El Puig (Valencia) el próximo 28 de enero de 2001. A partir de ese
Thought this may be of great interest to many fellow flux
workers--
Wroclaw is wonderful place--the Grotowski theatre there
--dave baptiste
Karenina.it Top News: orlan mori piegza wro costa vitale videofestival
concorsi convegni
Grandi festival: WRO2000.
bc
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, { brad brace } wrote:
Great! Weed-seeds are fine; no restrictions. Just include at least a few
in each packet. Fast approaching 30 contributors from three lists; will
post names/addresses soon. I'd like to see 40-50.
/:b
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, David Baptiste Ch
HI EVERYBODY
PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT FROM GREAT VORTICE PEOPLE--
ONWO/ARDS!
--DBCHIROT
(not to be confused with DBCOOPER!)
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:55:48 -0300
From: VORTICE ARGENTINA [EMAIL
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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:06:16 +0100
From: boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: aitgna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: netstrike:contra la pena de muerte
A// ESPAÑOL
B//INGLES
El 30 de noviembre 2000, desde las 18:00 a las 19:00
Estado del Texas
i will vote
YES
dave baptiste chirot
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking for people who will vote *YES* for the creation of
rec.music.experimental in an email election. r.m.e. is a
i am interested to also send--
is okay to send what find around here?
as some or a lot are weeds
(which i enjoy a lot--the flower of my home state,redclover of
vermont out here on milwaukee
edges of battered streets--thistles etc--)
dave baptiste chirot
On
at the edge
words from
F. Dostoyevsky
The HOuse of the Dead
Roger M. Williams
Sing A Sad Song The Life of Hank Williams
Albert Cossery
The House of Certain Death
arranged by
david baptiste chirot
Estimado Terrence:
Do you participate in Mail Art?
I think you wd find many of the ideas and energies you are "for" in
vibrant swing there--as well as the debates related to this one here--
for example see the Open Debate of Mail Art
to which over
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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:29:11 +0100
From: boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vesna Milicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Svjetlana Mimica/Mail Art
A//INGLES
B//ESPAÑOL
A//
INTERNATIONAL MAIL ART PROJECT
Theme: THE VILLAGE OF STARS
Size: FREE
Deadline:
i think this discussion--
it betrays too much anxiety
somehow to me is having too little faith in the work
maybe i am just getting to be old idiot anymore
i think the only questions with art are the practical ones
relations among the
"it is not the elements which are new, but the order of their
arrangement"
-Blaise Pascal
hanks PK for the card for the retired one's business
there are indeed
quite prosperous ones
who have no phone no card
no fixed address no set hours
no name as such
no fixed office
yet
one knows where to find them
come
Dear roger radio:
for give me writing in/complete sentences
am sending on to you as has been unfinished waiting to do so
unfinished works
unvarnished truth
ill concealed bamboozlements
half eaten sandwiches
the remnents of a mind
Perhaps some one may be interested in this rather unusual request?
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:00:18 +0100
From: Agence Art Presse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Communique 30/10/2000
Agence Art Presse
=
French +
all you need for this is a pack any kind of cigarettes and some
unmitigated gall and effrontery
standing yourself at some busy crossroads near shops where
distracted passersby may be found in some supply
approach on at a time and ask:
do you smoke?
sunday 29 october 2000
chilly and faint sun
all saw there in headlights glare
waving arms huge puppet spit out curse
destructive principle occurred
stone marble bronze left by centuries
27 october 2000
grey windy rain in air
fell into quiet pattern
long enough to see
flowed vanished gone
out of memory so just memory
inescapable as flesh
nn klefstad wrote:
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
25/10/00 pastel afternoon
coal-age poem: BASSO POEFrOUNDo
a score for two or more
voices
Ah! Pym! Tha
25/10/00 pastel afternoon
coal-age poem: BASSO POEFrOUNDo
a score for two or more
voices
Undergound behind rockface
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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:01:51 -0300
From: VORTICE ARGENTINA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: MAIL ART DAY : International Call Exhibition
Hi Heiko:
actually the quote you cite here is from Nathaniel Hawthorne's
AMERICAN NOTEBOOKS--
refers to the mechanical effect of enlargement produced by lenses
used for a diorama--
idea being to juxtapose the "ravings" (or in french, "Delires") of
Rimbaud's
ear
Fluxsister fun-atic
--- Reed Altemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Splee tu nah
street ki
grape
Ruud Janssen
Flux Sisters wrote:
smore ball lob
Thor me
treat
near
Fluxsister YOyo
--- David Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
having tagged (graffitied) many a wall and paint myself
frequently (today red blue black face hands arms with
hieroglyphs
of own invention called "chiroglyphs")
as
well my clothes etc
about anything else can get away with
Baudelaire wrote presciently in his JOURAUX INTIMES of the sudden
drastic infuence of the telegraph of the stock exchanges of La Bourse--
seems he might appreciate this latest news from la France--
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:58:02 +0200
some all blob earth
th'n whores peein'
sakes!
re' ass tree
K'n'G!
re ast rican?
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, John M. Bennett wrote:
Digest Version of "small boy bakery":
Ba ke
s mall b lob birth
thin hor se p in
st ate
(re est, st(r)ea k in g...
John M.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7037/ArteCorreo/ViequesExpo.html
A// ESPAOL
B// ENGLISH
A//
La Marina de Guerra junto a tropas del Ejercito, la Fuerza Area
de Estados Unidos y fuerzas combinadas
de la OTAN estn bombardeando Vieques en estos das.
Los ejercicios militares a gran
I always wondered if Mr T didn't get that line "I Pity the
Fool"--from the famous song of that name--
the phrase had become after it came out a popular expression
The most famous version is by Bobby "Blue" Bland--
it's a great song and was huge hit--(in r and
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:42:56 +0200
From: boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: *boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CONVOCATORIA MA GENOCIDIO MAPUCHE
A//ESPAÑOL
B// ENGLISH
C//CATALAN
[anilina] MailArt Convo: Stop Genocidio Mapuche
Fecha:
adly than some others). Also, since the advent of soy inks, the old
solvent-transfer from newspaper thing doesn't work as well. This circumvents
that.
AK
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
sit for some time (hours) at nearest street corner to where you
live
make a &qu
Josh: an exellent idea!
as you know, often books with "errata" made become collectors'
items (same with records--the pl vereity--as worked in record store svene
years and learned all kinds of obscyre lore along these lines--)
i once placed pacards in large boodstor by the
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:16:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Prosklhsh Ellhnikhs NET ART gia to Festival MEDI@TERRA/ATH/noemv/00 (fwd)
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Date: Mon
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:42:56 +0200
From: boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: *boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CONVOCATORIA MA GENOCIDIO MAPUCHE
A//ESPAÑOL
B// ENGLISH
C//CATALAN
[anilina] MailArt Convo: Stop Genocidio Mapuche
Fecha:
I am still at loss as to what the workbook is and wd like to
contribue--forgive my being a bit behind re it as so much has been
ahppening here at the old shack--
what i read all sounds good to me!
i apologize a recent post was so hacked and hewed and distorted i
Myself and some russian art student frends always haunt the trash
sites in neighborhood as many art and architecture students throw ouyt otf
good stuff--also at end o the ter many stdets as you mentioned, give
up--and so leave behnd in their lockers and laying abt al manner of
materias
Dear friend Eryk:
thanks so much for the elucidation
i will go straight to the Bible and have my life irrevocably
changed and be baptised anew in the waters of oblivion
seriously though--i have many many old scores o send yr way (as
opposed t "old scores to settle"!--gawd
It often helps if yu speak a foreign language--i have found my way
into all sorts of event simply by feigning ignornace of english and
speking solely in french--my borhter used to do his ith me--speaking in
Italian--it often worked our way into free food, tickets, backstage passes
and
please whatever the project is--have lost track in the welter of
posts--please count me send me the details so can get right to work
as "idle hands do the devil's work" and wd prefer doing fluxlist
work to that of old Lucifer!
(who'd demand far more than a pound of flesh--and
a thousand thousand thanks for the brilliant presentation!
i think those whose dedicated work went into putting these up
should
be listed as collaborators on the works as they look "better than the
original"!
thank you also to Pk for the briiant idea for the project
Dear Devon--and Pk: many thanks--i believe Pk deserves so much of the credit
for superb job both in having the idea and rvn more f presentation! am quite
stunned by it
devon i have meant to write to you for eons i did recieve yr letter
and projects and urging to "coming back at ya" via
yes, it was--
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, meryl wrote:
Wasn't "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift?
BadgerGirl
I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of
Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland
by proposing
there are too many great band names to go into
but a few that come immediately to mind
Alvin Cash and the Registers
Barry and the Remains
Question Mark and the Mysterians
Link Wray and the Wraymen
Billy Lee Riley and His Litte Green
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:14:06 +0200
From: boek861 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: *Elias Adasme [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Fwd: Convocatoria comprimida]
Convocatoria de Mail
Art
Organiza:
Amnistía Internacional Sección Puerto Rico y AU+MA
the great great great English visual/sound
poet/perfomer/publisher/essayist/historian
Bob Cobbing
in conversation said he thought
the two greatest sound poetry texts of the 20th century are
FINNEGAN'S WAKE
and Jack Kerouac's
as i recall--isn't there a volume in the series DOCUMENTS OF 20TH
CENTURY ART
devoted to interviews, statements etc of Duchamp?
--dbc
VORTICE ARGENTINAc/o
Fernando Garcia DelgadoBacacay 31031406, Buenos
AiresArgentina[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.vorticeargentina.com.ar
VORTICE ARGENTINA presents a tribute website
to fellow friend
and colleagueEDGARDO A. VIGO, featuring
artistamps, postcards,
envelopes, rubberstamps,
Many thanks to those who answered my query a bit back as to what
book was being referred to
have never read TRISTRAM SHANDY but know many regard it as one of
mighty precursors of modernist/postmodenrist work in literature
one of those books one intends
personally i find what Heiko wrote very beautiful:
"So slow. How he traveled. So much detail."
though there's a good clue there: the slowness makes for the
attention with "so much detail"
just as conversely the speed of attention, which is
how bout
nautilus chambers
as in the chambers of large nautilus shells
that one may so wonderfully listen to/in/with
and then there's the submarine real and the imagined one of Captain nemo
and the nautilus machine!
connotations
am sorry to have missed the original reference--
but to what book are you referring?
--dbc
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ wrote:
.
This is, btw, a very Flux-before-the-fact book. Who has read it here?
I did, some years ago.
Really great
Estimados:
myself i have found is often very good and useful
and direct as
one so well says here--
to go with "lower artistic impulses"
i.e. what myself and alex
cook are interested in and have thought to think of as "wreckcreation"
I heartily second Reed's use and attention with copy art--(i call
it xollage as i do xeroxed collage as main part of my xeroxed
works)
of course there is always the play (LUDENS) aspect of "the work"
that is
from vocation to vacation
Salutations Roger et Cie.--
thank you for the wonderful letter re the move--
thank you also for the invitation to the proposed project
yes indeed, i wd like to contribute to the
"unfinished business" project--
(it cd just be left "open ended",
grazie!
dbc
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, St.Auby Tamas wrote:
High!
("AS ABOVE SO BELOW"--Hermes Tri-sorry forget how to spell)
-smegistos
Hugh!
aa
Dear Vireo:
Many many thanks--
also for the addresses--passed them on to some Crowleyite friends
dbchirot
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Vireo wrote:
The entire quote reads:
"Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love under
Will."
Uncle Al
dave baptiste chirot
2515 N. Oakland #106
Milwaukee, WI 53211
USA
aslo besides this email above, this one below
("AS ABOVE SO BELOW"--Hermes Tri-sorry forget how to spell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Reed Altemus wrote:
alan bowman wrote:
It's art, who
When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes
--Brazilian proverb
Might someone have the address for the mail art exhibit being held
as a kind of side kick to the wexner show?
i would greatly appreciate it as mislaid it wanted to give it to
a friend
if it's true "you are what you eat"--i'd be "full of beans",
"nuts"
SoL;
Many thanks-!
dave
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Sol Nte wrote:
David asked:
Might someone have the address for the mail art exhibit being held
as a kind of side kick to the wexner show?
See below.
cheers,
Sol.
---
You are invited
The great Jazz musician Ornette Coleman said: artists don't
need to go to art school, they need to go to business school
dbc
(sadly, i did not follow his advice)
"I'm Ragged (But Right)"--George Jones
--dbc
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Carol Star wrote:
and sadly neither did i.
carol :)
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
The great Jazz musician Ornette Coleman said: artists don't
need to go to art school, they ne
Actually I think Americans think of hedonism as a sign of
strength: look at Our Leader, good ol' Bill--
Do What Thou Wilt--sounds great in theory, but in practise can
prove to put it at its most absolutely milquetoast mildest--"a bummer,
man"
Back in the good
I wrote a correction to fluxlist--that josh had momentarily
morphed into you
it is the project of Josh's using a set of words from a lawrence
durrel
book--in the order given--and make a text of at most five hundred words
and believe you me--these are some mighty
best regards, carol :)
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
This ongoing discussion re who is the more flux, the real flux,
the true flux, the public, the private--
after a while becomes very sad.
There is too much to be done to be lost in personal quarrels,
Dear Devon:
nunquam just arrived!--damn! some righteous
vocabulaire there!
the french writer Blaise Cendrars (whose works I'd highly
recommend--) wrote a number of his novels by getting books of specialized
vocabularies--that used by the maritime industries for
apologies--meant to write: Dear Josh--and mutatated into Devon
the slipperly slope of the cyber signifier . . .
i look down and find i have changed into a swirling mass of
charged particles spelling "DOOM"
(must be that head banger music blasting out of window next
This ongoing discussion re who is the more flux, the real flux,
the true flux, the public, the private--
after a while becomes very sad.
There is too much to be done to be lost in personal quarrels,
which are presented to others as though every one is to take
This warns not to open anything from CALIFORNIA IBM as is more powerful
virus than Love Letter--will swallow all hard disk information and destroy
Microsoft Internet and Netsacpe Navigator.
Also says not many yet know of the virus, so pass this news along
--dave baptiste chirot
Count me in, counter--
dave baptiste chirot
2515 N. Oakland #106
` Milwaukee, WI 53211
USA
email address as above
mercy on us here below!
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Devon Paulson wrote:
O.K.
Which of you wants to do something cool?
also have here an number of recipes to send if you like
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Melissa McCarthy wrote:
Dear Reed,
Oh, dear, I've been outed as a Fluxsister! I'd love to have your
Flux-recipe; the cookbook's been on hold forever, it seems, but I've got
cover
for the 39 words project:
dave baptiste chirot
2515 N. Oakland #106
Milwaukee, WI 53211
USA
for the pierre boulez
i destroyed his work aleady--by never owning, borrowing or
checking any out of library--or stealing any
or
riders cd have acoustic hookups--figure out a way for them to
choose what sounds they 'd like to have broadcast--"theme from rocky"--"the
walkyrie", their own breathing, rude road rage remarks, etc--and have it so
the faster they pedal, the louder the noises are
--one cd vary this in
Or: "a la recherche du temps perdu"--
(in english we call it "remembrance of things past"--but proust's
title in french means "in search of lost time")
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Patricia wrote:
What a travesty...
Why not start again tomorrow,
Call it "time, after time."
We
Eric:
truly at times one hand does not know what the other is doing
you are sending publicly a letter that purports to be private
commenting on ken's doing the same
i realize "all's fair in love (or hate) and war"
but as the man said, "take
ACUSTICA International SF2000
It's Sound, It's Art, It's Music
http://arsacustica.net
A two week celebration of SOUND ART brings the boldest, most exciting
artists from Europe and the US to galleries, theaters, and museums
throughout the city. Acoustic art is the melting pot of heterogeneous
Have completed my alterations--
and now sending to Alex Cook
enjoyed much all the pieces that arrived here so far
Kansas City here we come!
--dave baptiste chirot
as a good ole boy tending the lime pit--is the dave refered to
"me"
or some "other"?
if 'tis indeed "I", shall be sure to pass on to next
"alterer"
"Je est une autre": "I is an other"--Rimbaud
--one of many daves
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000,
Friend Reed:
I don't know where to find the booklet of repros you mention--
I knew A.M somewhat back in the late Seventies-mid-80s as he was a
fixture in Harvard Square, Cambridge, MA. He was often to be found at
Mug
and Muffin or later when Au Bon pain opened,
Thank you Sol--
do you know where it is possible to find a copy of the piece on
AM?
the last news I had of him was in 1987, just before I moved from
Boston. It was rumored at the time that he had died--
As with many other things I know of re AM, this
This is belated--but would like very much to pariticpate in the
altering of Josh's masterpiece
piece by piece limb by limb
is Orpheus torn--
to bits
and reassembled as
. . .
a '57 chevy Nomad
Devon:
Many thanks for presenting your time ideas re time entropy
Am auditing a class in Philosophy and Film--mainly decided to do
so
to see again many of the great films have not seen in some time--SUNRISE,
STRIKE, MOTHER, MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA, some Brakhage--this just
routine: re out in
or : re in out
out in re
in out re
in re out
out re in
the elements are the same; what is new is the order of their
arrangement
--Pascal
--dbchirot
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