Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Jason Johnson
On Dec 8, 2007 3:05 PM, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not what we were talking about. You claimed that we'd need *less* developers with a better language, but today we have more than ever. How can you explain that? We do have more then ever, but not of the same kind.

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Dec 7, 2007 7:22 AM, Jason Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 6, 2007 9:34 PM, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your statement sounds like an assembler developer claiming that with C++'s productivity most programmers will become unnecessary. And most assembler

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Dec 8, 2007 5:28 PM, Jason Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2007 3:05 PM, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not what we were talking about. You claimed that we'd need *less* developers with a better language, but today we have more than ever. How can you

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Jason Johnson
On Dec 8, 2007 8:32 PM, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you're claiming that today's programmers are too stupid or ignorant for developing in tomorrow's programming environments? Do you feel so much superior? How miserable is that? I've already explained my position on this.

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Dec 8, 2007 9:12 PM, Jason Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2007 8:32 PM, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you're claiming that today's programmers are too stupid or ignorant for developing in tomorrow's programming environments? Do you feel so much superior?

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread John Q. Splittist
The way I see it, this is an attempt to rethink, and certainly rebuild, (almost) everything from the ground up, because the incremental/evolutionary/not actually changing very much approach to computing just isn't doing much. Shoot for the stars and who knows what you might hit? I mean, imagine if

[fonc] What might FONC be? Intensional Programming Video

2007-12-08 Thread Toby Watson
Hi all, I've read a fair bit about Intensional Programming, but I'd never seen Microsoft's demo system working - until today. The video has a retro feel, like a future that never happened or the year 2001 in the rear-view mirror: Part 1 : http://youtube.com/watch?v=tSnnfUj1XCQ Part 2 :

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Dec 8, 2007 9:53 PM, John Q. Splittist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way I see it, this is an attempt to rethink, and certainly rebuild, (almost) everything from the ground up, because the incremental/evolutionary/not actually changing very much approach to computing just isn't doing much.

Re: [fonc] What might FONC be? Intensional Programming Video

2007-12-08 Thread Mark Haniford
Intentsoft is supposed to release something soon. Of course, you need sophisticated IDE support for that. Toby Watson wrote: Hi all, I've read a fair bit about Intensional Programming, but I'd never seen Microsoft's demo system working - until today. The video has a retro feel, like a

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Waldemar Kornewald wrote: I unfortunately expected that some clearer direction would already exist. I'd like to thank everyone who helped me understand the current situation. G'day Waldemar: This thread has prompted me to re-read Ian's 'widespread unreasonable behavior' paper. I think

Re: [fonc] goals

2007-12-08 Thread Damien Pollet
On 09/12/2007, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fully agree and I, too, would like to rethink a few conventions (mostly the UI). I just want that this project results in a *successful* product, not a new niche. Getting out of the niche (or not getting in it in the first place) has