Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread Haupt, Michael
Sean, the Boehm/Weiser GC as included in the sources does not compile on Snow Leopard - this is not a COLA problem. Best, Michael Am 08.05.2010 um 00:54 schrieb DeNigris Sean s...@clipperadams.commailto:s...@clipperadams.com: When compiling fonc-stable from svn checkout

Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread DeNigris Sean
the Boehm/Weiser GC as included in the sources does not compile on Snow Leopard - this is not a COLA problem. So no future for mac users then ;-). Bummer... There is a MacPort of gc7.1 that I successfully installed. Is there any way to use that? I tried various sneaky things, including:

Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread Alan Kay
We don't plan to wind up using any one else's GC so I wouldn't worry. From: DeNigris Sean s...@clipperadams.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 8:44:45 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard? the

Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread DeNigris Sean
We don't plan to wind up using any one else's GC so I wouldn't worry. Not worried - just excited to play with this stuff! Sean ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

[fonc] Progress, was: Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread dpharris
Alan- Since, the whole point of your project is to be succinct, learning from and then throwing stuff away rather than supplementing (ie growing) it appears to be the right way of doing it. This is only problematic for us poor souls that are peering in from the sidelines. Still, we are

Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread Jakob Praher
Hi Alan, just out of curiosity: I am wondering why VPRI is not aiming at a more community oriented style of innovation. Do you think the communcation effort is not worth the cost since you do not gain enough or even loose some freedom and / or speed by discussing archictural concepts more

Re: [fonc] Any newer FoNC distribution ?

2010-05-08 Thread Kevin DeGraaf
So can I correctly infer from your comment that they haven't been published externally yet? I see numerous mentions to specific source code files, images, projects, etc. that I can find nowhere in any of the mentioned publicly visible source code repositories. Ian's idst project hasn't been

Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread Kevin DeGraaf
I wouldn't mind seeing the throw-away projects. If I didn't think there was something to learn from failure, I would leave the startup world... Kevin. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: Glad you are interested, but don't hold your breath. We've got quite a bit

Re: [fonc] Any newer FoNC distribution ?

2010-05-08 Thread brian ford
Hi Alan, On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm happy that you are interested. But take a look again at the goals of STEPS, and think about less than 10 people trying to cover as much ground as possible with just 5 years to do all this. It takes a fair amount

Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?

2010-05-08 Thread Alan Kay
By the way, people on this list should look at Dan Ingalls' Lively Kernel. (http://www.lively-kernel.org/) Dan is also one of original authors of the NSF proposal for STEPS and we claim successes in the Lively Kernel as STEPS successes as well. That said, LK is much more like the

[fonc] Other interesting projects?

2010-05-08 Thread Max OrHai
Hello all. I'm an undergraduate student (formerly CS, now math) and I've been reading this list since the beginning of the STEPS project: this is one of the most promising things I'm aware of going on in computing right now. (I'm a big fan of Haskell's rising popularity, although it's more of a

Re: [fonc] Other interesting projects?

2010-05-08 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Max, Well, what properties do you think might be enormously problematic with stack languages ? Cheers, Alan From: Max OrHai max.or...@gmail.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 4:49:14 PM Subject: [fonc] Other

Re: [fonc] Any newer FoNC distribution ?

2010-05-08 Thread Kevin DeGraaf
I agree with you here, to a point. But in experimenting and verifying you do end up writing code, and to us observers having that gives us a lot more information of your thoughts and directions. I was very excited and gratified to find expression of a design and vision in your papers that gave

Re: [fonc] Any newer FoNC distribution ?

2010-05-08 Thread Alan Kay
And I've suggested a very good process for the community to force Cheers, Alan From: Kevin DeGraaf ke...@degraaf-consulting.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 5:04:46 PM Subject: Re: [fonc] Any newer FoNC distribution ?

Re: [fonc] Other interesting projects?

2010-05-08 Thread Max OrHai
Thanks for asking. I don't really have much first hand experience here (which is why I asked in the first place), and that phrase doesn't immediately ring a bell. Factor has reflection, continuations, optional typing, and meta-programming features. It supports functional, OO, and dataflow