>
> but, hmm... one could always have 2 stacks: create a stack over the stack,
> in turn reversing the RPN into PN, and also gets some "meta" going on...
Uh, I'm afraid one stack is one too many for me. But then again, I'm
not sure I get what you mean.
>
> + 2 * 3 4 => 24
Wouldn't that be "+ 2
ython :p
Thanks for your input.
Best,
-Martin
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, BGB wrote:
> On 3/15/2012 9:21 AM, Martin Baldan wrote:
>>
>> I have a little off-topic question.
>> Why are there so few programming languages with true Polish syntax? I
>> mean, prefix
Hi, shaun, sorry for the delay.
Ambi is apparently a concatenative, stack-based language, similar to
Cat. Those are interesting for their own reasons (and they also have
their own problems) but it's not exactly what I'm thinking of.
REBOL is much closer, but I would like to have more diversity of
I have a little off-topic question.
Why are there so few programming languages with true Polish syntax? I
mean, prefix notation, fixed arity, no parens (except, maybe, for
lists, sequences or similar). And of course, higher order functions.
The only example I can think of is REBOL, but it has other
I've been reading a few more documents, and it seems that the first
step towards having something like Frank at home would be to get hold
of a Moshi Squeak image.
For instance, in "Implementing DBJr with Worlds" we can read:
"Try It Yourself!
The following steps will recreate our demo. (Important
>
>
> this is possible, but it assumes, essentially, that one doesn't run into
> such a limit.
>
> if one gets to a point where every "fundamental" concept is only ever
> expressed once, and everything is built from preceding fundamental concepts,
> then this is a limit, short of dropping fundament
>
>
> that is a description of random data, which granted, doesn't apply to most
> (compressible) data.
> that wasn't really the point though.
I thought the original point was that there's a clear-cut limit to how
much redundancy can be eliminated from computing environments, and
that thousand-fol
I won't pretend I really know what I'm talking about, I'm just
guessing here, but don't you think the requirement for "independent
and identically-distributed random variable data" in Shannon's source
coding theorem may not be applicable to pictures, sounds or frame
sequences normally handled by co
Thanks, interesting link. But I have some questions and comments:
_ How much does an e-reader last?
The article says:
"This means an iPad owner would need to offset 32.4 printed
books during the iPad’s lifetime to break even in terms of the carbon
footprint of reading those books."
But as far
ioxin, etc. not to mention heavy thermal
> pollution of water sources.
>
> So there are definitely arguments on both sides of the ledger wrt eBooks.
>
> -- Mack
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 1:54 PM, BGB wrote:
>
> On 3/8/2012 12:34 PM, Max Orhai wrote:
>
>
> - Print technology is orders of magnitude more environmentally benign
> and affordable.
>
That seems a pretty strong claim. How do you back it up? Low cost and
environmental impact are supposed to be some of the strong points of
ebooks.
You can publish an e-book virtually for free and reach m
Julian,
I'm not sure I understand your proposal, but I do think what Google
does is not something trivial, straightforward or easy to automate. I
remember reading an article about Google's ranking strategy. IIRC,
they use the patterns of mutual linking between websites. So far, so
good. But then,
Ah, thanks! :)
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, David Barbour wrote:
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>
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/fonc@vpri.org/
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Yes, namespaces provide a form of "jargon", but that's clearly not enough.
If it were, there wouldn't be so many programming languages. You can't use,
say, Java imports to turn Java into Smalltalk, or Haskell or Nile. They
have different syntax and different semantics. But in the end you describe
t
I think it was Julian, in message:
http://vpri.org/mailman/private/fonc/2012/003131.html
BTW, I'm having a hard time trying to find who said what in this mailing
list. Maybe I'm missing something, I feel a bit silly, but here's the
problem:
_ Apparently, Google can't search this mailing list, I
Hi,
What got me wondering this was the fact that people, as far as I know,
don't use domain-specific languages in natural speech. What they do use is
jargon, but the syntax is always the same. What if one could program in
something like ACE, specify a jargon and start describing data structures
co
Loup,
I agree that the Web is a mess. The original sin was to assume that people
would only want to connect to other computers in order to retrieve a
limited set of static documents. I think the reason for this was that
everyone sticked to the Unix security model, where everything you run has
all
Guys, there are so much lines of inquiry in this thread I'm getting lost.
Here's a little summary.
[message]
Author: Julian Leviston
http://vpri.org/mailman/private/fonc/2012/003081.html
As I understand it, Frank is an experiment that is an extended version of
DBJr that sits atop lesserphic,
David,
Thanks for the link. Indeed, now I see how to run "eval" with ".l" example
files. There are also ".k" files, which I don't know how they differ from
those, except that ".k" files are called with "./eval filename.k" while
".l" files are called with "./eval repl.l filename.l" where "filenam
Julian,
Thanks, now I have a much better picture of the overall situation, although
I still have a lot of reading to do. I already had read a couple of Frank
progress reports, and some stuff about worlds, in the publications link you
mention. So I thought, this sounds great, how can I try this? Th
Guys, I find these off_topic comments (as in not strictly about my idst
compilation problem) really interesting. Maybe I should start a new
thread? Something like «how can a newbie start playing with this
technology?». Thanks!
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gt; Isn't the cola basically irrelevant now? aren't they using maru instead?
> (or rather isn't maru the renamed version of coke?)
>
> Julian
>
>
> On 26/02/2012, at 2:52 AM, Martin Baldan wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > T
Michael,
Thanks for your reply. I'm looking into it.
Best,
Martin
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Here's where I think the compilation went wrong:
[code]
make[2]: Entering directory
`/home/martin/Escritorio/otras_cosas/desastre/programming/vpri/cola/idst/stable/fonc-stable/object/id'
/bin/sh -ec 'mkdir ../stage1/./include; \
mkdir ../stage1/./include/id; cp -pr ../id/*.h
../stage1/./
Hello,
I'm trying to compile the COLA distribution, just to know what it's like,
but I'm getting errors.
Here's what I did:
[code]
$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l
$ svn checkout http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/tags/idst-376 fonc-stable
$ cd fonc-stable/
$ make
[/code]
I've posted the mak
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