[fonc] Software Crisis (was Re: Final STEP progress report abandoned?)

2013-09-08 Thread Casey Ransberger
I don't think cut and paste has been the source of the problems with the systems I've worked on (could be a symptom of one or more of the problems.) What I see is long-term systems built around short-term, usually competitive goals, by people who are competing both with one another (for jobs, promo

Re: [fonc] [tt] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Homer
Hi Michael, I was really thinking of something deeper than a Delphi-style repository. Often I've had to negotiate between two diametrically opposed groups. I do this by resorting to what a mentor once taught me as 'mange by fact'. If you strip away the emotions, opinions, assumptions, etc. you

Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Homer
Hi Alan, Is the gift really that bad? It certainly is an interesting question. I'm a frequent blogger on the topic of what could probably be described as the ongoing 'software crisis'. We definitely build bigger systems these days, but the quality has likely been declining. There is great soft

Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-08 Thread John Carlson
I have a pretty good example of this. I would like to look up whether there's a difference between cigarettes and e-cigarettes for short and long term health. I know people who experience weight gain on e-cigarettes, and lose weight on regular cigarettes. On Sep 8, 2013 9:46 AM, "Alan Kay" wrote

Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-08 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Paul When I said "even scientists go against their training" I was also pointing out really deep problems in humanity's attempts at thinking (we are quite terrible thinkers!). If we still make most decisions without realizing why, and use conventional "thinking tools" as ways to rationaliz

Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Homer
Hi Alan, I agree that there is, and probably will always be, a necessity to 'think outside of the box', although if the box was larger, it would be less necessary. But I wasn't really thinking about scientists and the pursuit of new knowledge, but rather the trillions? of mundane decisions that

Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

2013-09-08 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Paul I'm sure you are aware that yours is a very "Engelbartian" point of view, and I think there is still much value in trying to make things better in this direction. However, it's also worth noting the studies over the last 40 years (and especially recently) that show how often even scien