Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-20 Thread Peter B. West
Andreas L. Delmelle wrote: -Original Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Pietschmann wrote: I've got a lot of ideas myself, perhaps too many. What the project needs is *working* *code*. Working code is predicated on working ideas, is it not? That's why I asked about

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-19 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: J.Pietschmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yuck! Flashbacks of SoftRAM Ok, that's understood! None of that here! Thanks for the info. (I'll be back with more ideas... maybe some more bad ones, but I'll leave you guys to judge that ;) ) Cheers, Andreas

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-19 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Pietschmann wrote: I've got a lot of ideas myself, perhaps too many. What the project needs is *working* *code*. Working code is predicated on working ideas, is it not? That's why I asked about ideas.

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-18 Thread Manuel Mall
(eg. tomcat 3.x, 4.x, 5.x). Why should FOP get away with only two iterations? Manuel - Original Message - From: J.Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:26 AM Subject: Re: FOs and Areas Peter B. West wrote: (does Jrg work

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-18 Thread Victor Mote
Andreas L. Delmelle wrote: With all due respect, I think you're overreacting here. Maybe you already know this yourself, and have changed your mind about the 'adios'... Anyway, I have been following the discussions between Peter and yourself (--at least the recent ones, which may be exactly

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-18 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: Victor Mote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andreas L. Delmelle wrote: snip / The gist of this section seems to be ... that you don't know enough to comment on what is going on. Duly noted. Not quite. More like: I *think* I don't know enough (maybe _that_ is

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-18 Thread J.Pietschmann
Andreas L. Delmelle wrote: Which is done by {which parser?} Xerces 2.3.4, but it doesn't matter. The problem are the generated Java objects. 80k? For how many fo:* approx. in the file? 8 objects. A table with some twenty odd columns and 800+ rows. A TableCell, a Block and a FOText per cell.

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-18 Thread Peter B. West
J.Pietschmann wrote: Peter B. West wrote: (does Jrg work?), Not in the archive. I know you are a long-time advocate of sticking with the codebase, and have been very critical of my approach, so I don't want to draw any unwarranted conclusions here. Does the above mean that you are interested

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-17 Thread Victor Mote
J.Pietschmann wrote: Victor Mote wrote: I guess you are saying that a page-sequence will use too much memory (??). Again, this is a non-issue. Just use a different LayoutStrategy that is more eager. This can be an issue. In a real world file I benchmarked (rendered to 58 pages), the

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-17 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: The statements are getting extreme. Let's just agree to differ. I'm happy to let my code and the design that underlies it do my talking. OK. For the reasons already mentioned, this does not work for me. I consider this kind of behavior to be uncivilized. However, I have

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-17 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: Victor Mote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter B. West wrote: The statements are getting extreme. Let's just agree to differ. I'm happy to let my code and the design that underlies it do my talking. OK. For the reasons already mentioned, this does not work

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-17 Thread J.Pietschmann
Peter B. West wrote: (does Jrg work?), Not in the archive. I know you are a long-time advocate of sticking with the codebase, and have been very critical of my approach, so I don't want to draw any unwarranted conclusions here. Does the above mean that you are interested in my ideas? I've got

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-17 Thread John Austin
On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 15:56, J.Pietschmann wrote: I've got a lot of ideas myself, perhaps too many. What the project needs is *working* *code*. Amen! [but a short one, not drawn out like the final chorus of Messiah!] -- John Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-17 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: John Austin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 15:56, J.Pietschmann wrote: I've got a lot of ideas myself, perhaps too many. What the project needs is *working* *code*. Amen! [but a short one, not drawn out like the final chorus of

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-16 Thread Peter B. West
Victor Mote wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Herewith some notes on the tortured relationship between the two. As I don't know much about layout in HEAD, I am hoping that differences and (hopefully) correspondences between my ideas and the HEAD redesign can be pointed out by wiser HEADs than mine.

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-16 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip / I realize the tone of this posting has not been entirely irenic. I'll try harder. As a kind-of headz up (seen my understanding, for the moment, is too little to add anything interesting to the discussion

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-16 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: It seems to me, however, that the key to 1) solving the layout dependencies of FO property expressions, and 2) reducing footprint, particularly for those long documents which are naturally expressed with very large fo:flow trees in a few page-sequences, is to have the

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-16 Thread J.Pietschmann
Victor Mote wrote: I guess you are saying that a page-sequence will use too much memory (??). Again, this is a non-issue. Just use a different LayoutStrategy that is more eager. This can be an issue. In a real world file I benchmarked (rendered to 58 pages), the FO tree for the second page

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-16 Thread Peter B. West
Victor, The statements are getting extreme. Let's just agree to differ. I'm happy to let my code and the design that underlies it do my talking. Peter -- Peter B. West http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/resume.html

Re: FOs and Areas

2003-12-15 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me, however, that the key to 1) solving the layout dependencies of FO property expressions, and 2) reducing footprint, particularly for those long documents which are naturally expressed with very large fo:flow trees in a few

RE: FOs and Areas

2003-12-15 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: Herewith some notes on the tortured relationship between the two. As I don't know much about layout in HEAD, I am hoping that differences and (hopefully) correspondences between my ideas and the HEAD redesign can be pointed out by wiser HEADs than mine. I don't claim to