Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread arnd . beissner
Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 01:03:19: It would be interesting to compare some RenderX example output between the two^H^H^H three (ArndFO, fop-0.20.5, fop-1.0Dev)... I suspect there may be other significant differences as well, with performance, heap, etc. Be warned

Re: cyrillic

2004-05-19 Thread Baron Moenghausen
Chris Bowditch wrote: Baron Moenghausen wrote: Hello! What wrong with pdf made with cyrillic KOI8-r? Hello, sorry but I dont understand your question. Could you rephrase it and maybe elaborate. Thanks, Chris OK, let's try again :) Imagine, I've made a pdf document with fop using CID-keyed

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-19 Thread Chris Bowditch
Victor Mote wrote: Simon Pepping wrote: I sympathize with this goal as well. I realize that that is not quite in line with my reaction to Glen's recent patch. I agree with Chris and Glen that it is not currently a key goal for FOP. And since we do not have a strong proponent and architect of

Justification and line breaking

2004-05-19 Thread Luca Furini
Hi all I am still thinking about justification and the more general problem of line-breaking, and I have come to think that it's quite strange that the LineLayoutManager should make choices about breaking points using only the information provided by the TextLayoutManagers, while it should

Re: Justification and line breaking

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Luca, Do you know of a web-accessible version of the paper, or summary of the algorithm? Peter Luca Furini wrote: Hi all I am still thinking about justification and the more general problem of line-breaking, and I have come to think that it's quite strange that the LineLayoutManager should

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-19 Thread Victor Mote
Arnd Beißner wrote: Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 19.05.2004 00:12:41: I think you are talking about different modularisation contexts here. You might want to clarify this part of the discussion with Victor. I really thought it was about the pluggable layout that Victor

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-19 Thread Victor Mote
Chris Bowditch wrote: I dont recall modularizarion being opposed. It was more a case of Joerg saying it would be a challenge and no one else stepping up to support your proposals. When I left the project, there were 5 active developers, 1 for, 2 against, 2 neutral or silent. Joerg and I

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 01:03:19: It would be interesting to compare some RenderX example output between the two^H^H^H three (ArndFO, fop-0.20.5, fop-1.0Dev)... I suspect there may be other significant differences as well, with performance,

Re: Justification and line breaking

2004-05-19 Thread Chris Bowditch
Luca Furini wrote: I am still thinking about justification and the more general problem of line-breaking, and I have come to think that it's quite strange that the LineLayoutManager should make choices about breaking points using only the information provided by the TextLayoutManagers, while it

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Chris Bowditch
Clay Leeds wrote: Be warned that the RenderX testsuite files require a relatively high degree of spec compliance. Shorthands are used everywhere, all table examples require auto-layout, and so on. I confess that I learned a few more things about FO when testing with these files... Sounds like a

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
Chris Bowditch wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Sounds like a good exercise for someone like me, to transform those shorthand items into 'longhand'... My understanding is that thanks to the property work earlier this year by Glen, Finn and Simon, that properties are 95% there, including shorthands.

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 28706] - [PATCH] More justification problems

2004-05-19 Thread bugzilla
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Just do it (was: Re: Borders on Blocks)

2004-05-19 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Guys, my comment on this is: Commit it if you think it's an improvement. It may be a bit different if it concerned design questions, but with small fixed and improvements I'd rather you guys just did it. If it turns out to be a mistake it can easily be corrected. That's why we have peer review

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 29099] New: - pdf images does not appear in https

2004-05-19 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Justification and line breaking

2004-05-19 Thread Simon Pepping
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 12:08:50PM +0200, Luca Furini wrote: Hi all So, I have tried to implement Knuth's line-breaking algorithm [1], which calculates breaking points after having gathered information about a whole paragraph. Here are a few advantages of this algorithm: - first of

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Simon Pepping
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 04:34:14PM +0100, Chris Bowditch wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Sounds like a good exercise for someone like me, to transform those shorthand items into 'longhand'... My understanding is that thanks to the property work earlier this year by Glen, Finn and Simon, that

Re: Just do it (was: Re: Borders on Blocks)

2004-05-19 Thread arnd . beissner
Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 20:38:37: You guys block yourselves with this strategy and Arnd gets even more of a head-start. :-) 8-) -- Arnd Beißner Cappelino Informationstechnologie GmbH

Trait.ID_AREA

2004-05-19 Thread Tibor Vyletel
Hi guys, Inprevious versions (builds) of FOP areas have had set ID_AREA trait in order to allow identification of original FONodes (and XML elements) they had been created from. Why is this feature missing in recent builds (1.0DEV)? Is there any other possibility how to connect Area --

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Chris Bowditch wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Be warned that the RenderX testsuite files require a relatively high degree of spec compliance. Shorthands are used everywhere, all table examples require auto-layout, and so on. I confess that I learned a few more things about FO when testing with these

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Clay Leeds wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.05.2004 01:03:19: It would be interesting to compare some RenderX example output between the two^H^H^H three (ArndFO, fop-0.20.5, fop-1.0Dev)... I suspect there may be other significant differences as well,

Java text handling

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Do any of the list denizens have experience with Java font handling and 2D text layout? I'm new to it, and would like to be able to bounce questions off someone further up the food chain, on or off-line. Peter -- Peter B. West http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/resume.html

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
Peter B. West wrote: Clay Leeds wrote: Be warned that the RenderX testsuite files require a relatively high degree of spec compliance. Shorthands are used everywhere, all table examples require auto-layout, and so on. I confess that I learned a few more things about FO when testing with these

Re: Java text handling

2004-05-19 Thread Clay Leeds
Peter B. West wrote: Do any of the list denizens have experience with Java font handling and 2D text layout? I'm new to it, and would like to be able to bounce questions off someone further up the food chain, on or off-line. Peter My experience has more to do with JRE and FONT handling, rather

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-19 Thread Peter B. West
Clay Leeds wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Shorthands have been fully handled in alt-design's properties for about 18 months now. Glad to hear it! One of these days, I'll have to build alt.design from source so I can see all of your hard work. I notice that it uses a non-ant system of building, so