Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
You might also want to take a look at Scriptura from Inventive Designers (http://www.inventivedesigners.com/scriptura) In short... it's a GUI designer for XSL-FO documents. You can merge XML or JDBC data, add barcodes, use conditions, etc... It's focused on report generation, but you can also use it without specifying data to generate static pages. It's a commercial product but there's a free trial available. Disclaimer: I work for Inventive Designers ;-) - Erik Vanherck - System Programmer Designer Inventive Designers Visit http://www.inventivedesigners.com Visit http://www.iserieslinux.com for Linux on iSeries information ! Phone: +32 - 3 - 8210170 Fax: +32 - 3 - 8210171 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 |+--- || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || eln.mpg.de | || | || 09/30/2002 02:05 | || PM | || Please respond to| || fop-dev | || | |+--- ---| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor | ---| Hi, I checked out XSLfast. It's a nice start. But not advanced enough for professional print in my opinion. Marc - Original Message - From: Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Guys, That goes for me as well. I would like to get in. Mark - Original Message - From: Vaidya, Raghavendra (CORP, GEITC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Guys, I am one of the users of FOP for a very long time. I would like to get involved in this project as developer, if you guys start it regards Vaidya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi everybody, this discussion is getting too esoteric. I am willing to put effort into a new project as I have stated before. It basically depends on if we are able to gather a strong enough team. However, I think we should soon move the discussion somewhere else rather than polluting fop-dev. Any suggestions? Interested? Marc - Original Message - From: Mark Bitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I agree with Marc. It's not robust enough and combersome to figure out. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I checked out XSLfast. It's a nice start. But not advanced enough for professional print in my opinion. Marc - Original Message - From: Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Well, I have submitted a request to start a project with SF.net. It will take a few days, and then we can hopefully use those resources as to open a discussion. Hopefully we can garner enough interest to kick the project off. or at least thrash out a terms of reference. Regards Paul. Vaidya, Raghavendra (CORP, GEITC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/10/2002 05:43:16 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Guys, I am one of the users of FOP for a very long time. I would like to get involved in this project as developer, if you guys start it regards Vaidya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi everybody, this discussion is getting too esoteric. I am willing to put effort into a new project as I have stated before. It basically depends on if we are able to gather a strong enough team. However, I think we should soon move the discussion somewhere else rather than polluting fop-dev. Any suggestions? Interested? Marc - Original Message - From: Mark Bitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I agree with Marc. It's not robust enough and combersome to figure out. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I checked out XSLfast. It's a nice start. But not advanced enough for professional print in my opinion. Marc - Original Message - From: Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. So it seems I have to either instigate another tool, or go the word style route. Thanks Paul. Victor Mote [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 27/09/2002 18:51:42 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Paul Hussein wrote: Al I want is an editor that that works with FO only. I don't know of anything out there right now that does what you are looking for. FO is not intended to be an editable format, but rather an intermediate format. The advantage to using FO is that it can be created pretty easily (using XSLT) from semantic XML. If you don't need that advantage, but need a WYSIWIG editor and PDF output, and don't mind paying for it, I would recommend either Microsoft Word or Adobe FrameMaker. Word's limitations are well-known, and FrameMaker has two that were major for us -- lack of Unicode support, and some footnote problems. There are other page layout engines that can create PDF as well, some with XML integration -- Arbortext comes to mind, but I am much less familiar with their products. In the long run, I am hopeful that some method will be devised that will allow the FO document to be tied back to its original semantic XML document so that the semantic XML document could be reconstructed from the WYSIWIG-editable FO document (or area tree document). A user could open a document pointing to 1) the semantic XML document, and 2) the appropriate stylesheet, edit it in a WYSIWIG session, then save the underlying semantic XML and stylesheet documents. This would be the best of all worlds, but I do not even yet have a clear idea that it is feasible. I agree strongly with Rhett that there is quite a bit of work left to just get FOP's existing mission completed, but the great thing about open source is that no one can (or would want to) stop you from working on such a project if you wished. Victor Mote (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Enterprise Outfitters (www.outfitr.com) 2025 Eddington Way Colorado Springs, Colorado 80916 Voice 719-622-0650, Fax 720-293-0044 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
That was my hope too. Maybe for us to pickup the rendering part of AWT Renderer, create new project with it, Then export as jar that fop could use maybe. Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 30/09/2002 11:50:29 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe for us to pickup the rendering part of AWT Renderer, create new project with it, Then export as jar that fop could use maybe. Probably, but I believe the primary task now is to give some attention to avt viewer in redesign branch and only when it's ready, extend it by adding edit capabilities. -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Hi, I checked out XSLfast. It's a nice start. But not advanced enough for professional print in my opinion. Marc - Original Message - From: Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Hi, I agree with Marc. It's not robust enough and combersome to figure out. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I checked out XSLfast. It's a nice start. But not advanced enough for professional print in my opinion. Marc - Original Message - From: Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Guys, I am one of the users of FOP for a very long time. I would like to get involved in this project as developer, if you guys start it regards Vaidya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi everybody, this discussion is getting too esoteric. I am willing to put effort into a new project as I have stated before. It basically depends on if we are able to gather a strong enough team. However, I think we should soon move the discussion somewhere else rather than polluting fop-dev. Any suggestions? Interested? Marc - Original Message - From: Mark Bitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I agree with Marc. It's not robust enough and combersome to figure out. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Hi, I checked out XSLfast. It's a nice start. But not advanced enough for professional print in my opinion. Marc - Original Message - From: Oleg Tkachenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, i wasnt intending to suggest that you guys pick this work up. But this forum seems the best to maybe chat about it and even spin another group off. Plus there is lots of expertise out there and I may have missed a piece of software. btw, guys from jCatalog, which actually developed fop's awt viewer ended up with xslfast, see http://www.jcatalog.com/products/xslfast/index.htm. I cherish a hope *someday* our clumsy awt viewer will grow into a full-fledged xsl editor :) -- Oleg Tkachenko Multiconn International, Israel --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE : Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
To the best of my knowledge, FOP is a Formatting Objects processor and renderer. There isn't a subproject in this group for a WYSIWIG FO editor. It would seem we're up to our gills in work working on FOP already. I'm certain that there's a desire out there for a free, open-source WYSIWIG FO editor, though, so perhaps you'd be interested in marshalling some people together to do it. -Original Message- From: Gilles Crebassa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE : Antwort: fo wysiwig editor Fop is free but for editing U pay ? -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 17:13 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Antwort: fo wysiwig editor try http://www.xslfast.com Paul.Hussein@cha se.com An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: 27.09.02 17:06 Thema: fo wysiwig editor Bitte antworten an fop-dev Hi all. I wonder if I can get some help. I am currently using fo and fop to generate pdf documents for a large bank, and it works beautifully. We get the XML and apply a stylesheet to produce the document. However, we have a requirements that means our using should have the ability to edit the document. That means presenting an editor for the generated fo. Is there such a wysiwig editor availabe that ayone knows of ? I have done a lot of searching, but they all seem to be very poor. There is foa, but that is very complex. I just want to edit fo, not play with other custom layout documents. If this does not exists, maybe to fop community, and I include myself in that should being a project to write an editor. The other alternative is to go fo-rtf rtf- fo. But conversions are never satisfactory. Any suggestions would be greatfully received. Regards Paul. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antwort: fo wysiwig editor
Paul Hussein wrote: Al I want is an editor that that works with FO only. I don't know of anything out there right now that does what you are looking for. FO is not intended to be an editable format, but rather an intermediate format. The advantage to using FO is that it can be created pretty easily (using XSLT) from semantic XML. If you don't need that advantage, but need a WYSIWIG editor and PDF output, and don't mind paying for it, I would recommend either Microsoft Word or Adobe FrameMaker. Word's limitations are well-known, and FrameMaker has two that were major for us -- lack of Unicode support, and some footnote problems. There are other page layout engines that can create PDF as well, some with XML integration -- Arbortext comes to mind, but I am much less familiar with their products. In the long run, I am hopeful that some method will be devised that will allow the FO document to be tied back to its original semantic XML document so that the semantic XML document could be reconstructed from the WYSIWIG-editable FO document (or area tree document). A user could open a document pointing to 1) the semantic XML document, and 2) the appropriate stylesheet, edit it in a WYSIWIG session, then save the underlying semantic XML and stylesheet documents. This would be the best of all worlds, but I do not even yet have a clear idea that it is feasible. I agree strongly with Rhett that there is quite a bit of work left to just get FOP's existing mission completed, but the great thing about open source is that no one can (or would want to) stop you from working on such a project if you wished. Victor Mote (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Enterprise Outfitters (www.outfitr.com) 2025 Eddington Way Colorado Springs, Colorado 80916 Voice 719-622-0650, Fax 720-293-0044 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
