Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-20 Thread Benson Margulies
I assume either the FOP developers know why there's a circular reference and have the resolution or they just use the compiled jars and ignore the issue. Just about the entire open source community disagrees with you. Everyone treats ant, maven, and (for that matter) gcc as opaque packages,

RE: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-20 Thread Eric Douglas
PM To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I assume either the FOP developers know why there's a circular reference and have the resolution or they just use the compiled jars and ignore the issue. Just about the entire open source community

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Eric Douglas
If I try to compile fop source it says it requires ant. If I download the source for ant and try to compile it says it requires bsf. If I download the source for bsf and try to compile it says it requires jython. If I download the source for jython and try to compile it says it requires ant.

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread mehdi houshmand
Hi Eric, What operating system are you working on? You probably don't need to compile ant, there will almost definitely be binaries for your operating system. Mehdi On 19 July 2011 13:58, Eric Douglas edoug...@blockhouse.com wrote: If I try to compile fop source it says it requires ant. If I

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread mehdi houshmand
You'll find it here: http://ant.apache.org/bindownload.cgi On 19 July 2011 14:07, mehdi houshmand med1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eric, What operating system are you working on? You probably don't need to compile ant, there will almost definitely be binaries for your operating system. Mehdi

RE: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Eric Douglas
: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:08 AM To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Hi Eric, What operating system are you working on? You probably don't need to compile ant, there will almost definitely be binaries for your operating system. Mehdi On 19 July

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Benson Margulies
: mehdi houshmand [mailto:med1...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:08 AM To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Hi Eric, What operating system are you working on? You probably don't need to compile ant, there will almost definitely

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread mehdi houshmand
To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Hi Eric, What operating system are you working on? You probably don't need to compile ant, there will almost definitely be binaries for your operating system. Mehdi On 19 July 2011 13:58, Eric Douglas

RE: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Eric Douglas
sourced in case there's any reusable code or any confusion on what the methods do. -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:49 AM To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread mehdi houshmand
@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Eric, Unless you are working on Gentoo Linux, you should not even consider this path. Just download ant. Ant, being a build tool, has a complex bootstrap process. ant.apache.org will provide you with a zip file

RE: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Eric Douglas
-Original Message- From: mehdi houshmand [mailto:med1...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:23 AM To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Hi Eric, Well, that kind of depends on how you work. It's always good to have the source

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Glenn Adams
houshmand [mailto:med1...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:23 AM To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Hi Eric, Well, that kind of depends on how you work. It's always good to have the source at hand if you want to look

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
On 19 Jul 2011, at 14:58, Eric Douglas wrote: Hi Eric As already mentioned by Mehdi and Benson, unless you are really serious about debugging the Ant source code, it is probably preferable to only reference a binary. Some more thoughts on the inter-depencies (ultimately circular, yes, but no

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

2011-07-19 Thread Giuseppe Briotti
2011/7/19 Eric Douglas edoug...@blockhouse.com: I've tried to reference a source project rather than a compiled jar wherever possible. The annoying part of referencing the compiled jar is when I run from the IDE in debug mode and it pops up windows saying no code attached. Plus I thought it