Re: representative example needed [was in fop-user]
Glen Mazza a écrit : So I think we should wait on this until the W3C makes up its own stylesheet without extensions, and makes the same stylesheet publicly available for any XSL processor to run. OK. I personally don't feel capable of writing a stylesheet from scratch: I'm not familiar enough with XSLT. I would leave this task to someone other (Jay Bryant for example said on fop-user he could write a stylesheet). I'd prefer to contribute to Fop in some other way. What may be more cool--and a much better selling point for FOP anyway--is for the Docbook XSL/PDF stylesheets to work well with 1.0 (0.20.5 already does a pretty good job with Docbook PDF generation.) I think that's a nicer target than the RenderX stylesheet, much more practical for our user base, and avoids the copyright headaches. But it is indeed a lot more work. Well, I could do some work here. I'm already using Docbook to write some documents and I have played a bit with the fo stylesheet. For any improvement of that stylesheet I should perhaps rather refer to the Docbook developers. However, IMHO it wouldn't be very useful to hack Docbook's stylesheets in order to work around Fop's currents flaws. The development of the HEAD branch is evolving quite quickly and any stylesheet improvement would be rather temporary. Bug reports on Docbook files would perhaps be more useful. Again, I would rather contribute to Fop by providing patches. But if you all maintain that it would be really, really useful I can do it ;-) We don't care much for making changes to 0.20.5 anymore. We focus on 1.0. I know. That was just because Jeremias and Clay spoke about a comparison between Fop 0.20.5 and Fop 1.0dev. Fop 1.0dev (freshly checked out) crashes with a NoSuchMethodError. Now *that* is of interest for us. I can provide details if needed (in form of a Bugzilla entry?). Sure for 1.0, please. I'll try to isolate the problem and reduce the fo file as much as possible. Then I'll file a bug report, and, well, if I can, provide a patch... No--because again we don't want it anywhere on our site--please don't send it to us--it is RenderX's stylesheet, not ours. It is better not to even look at it, lest our ideas for a similar stylesheet end up coming from their work. OK, I forget it. You would be most welcome here. I really would be glad to help. Sadly I don't have much time to devote to Fop. I've begun to read the XSL spec and dive into Fop code. I'll still need some time before being able to provide patches. Hope you'll hear about me soon... (BTW, checked your ENSEEIHT website -- looks like a wonderful place for a person to grow.) Well, at least it's a good place to learn computer science (perhaps not as good to learn english, though ;-( ). Cheers, Vincent
Re: representative example needed [was in fop-user]
--- Vincent Hennebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would be most welcome here. I really would be glad to help. Sadly I don't have much time to devote to Fop. I've begun to read the XSL spec and dive into Fop code. I'll still need some time before being able to provide patches. Hope you'll hear about me soon... Hey--don't worry about it. Do take care of your own needs first of course. If you're busy that's fine. Regards, Glen
Re: representative example needed [was in fop-user]
[Web Maestro Clay] It would be *great* if some enterprising and generous developer could spend the time to generate FOP-based XSL-FO documents from the XML, XSLT and XPath specs. In fact, that would be a useful tool for comparing how fop-0.20.5 compares to fop-1.0-dev (the FOP re-design/TRUNK branch). Unfortunately, that hasn't been a priority up to this point. Perhaps it could become a priority in the future. [Jeremias] Oh, it would be so cool if we could have our own PDF of the XSL 1.0 specification [1]. The official PDF was created by RenderX. I thought about doing a stylesheet for that myself but I'm currently so busy coding on FOP 1.0dev that I'd be more than happy if someone from the user community could do that. It would also be interesting to compare FOP 0.20.5 and FOP 1.0dev which is under development. Hi Fop team, would there be anything wrong with using RenderX' XSLT stylesheet to produce a pdf whith Fop? As I read this thread on fop-user a week ago, I wondered whether RenderX released the stylesheet they used to produce the official pdf of the XSL recommendation. Indeed they provided an xmlspec2fo stylesheet on their website [1], but now it seems to have disappeared (the site seems to have been refactored). Anyway, I have it on my disk and tried to run Fop over it. Well, bad news so far ;-( Fop 0.20.5 stops at p.16 whith an error message (Flow 'xsl-region-body' does not map to the region-body in page-master 'blank-page'). This is the page where there is just This page is intentionally left blank. Fop 1.0dev (freshly checked out) crashes with a NoSuchMethodError. As it was just a quick test, I didn't remove Xep extensions; this may be the cause of the crash. I can provide details if needed (in form of a Bugzilla entry?). I could adapt the stylesheet to introduce Fop extensions (at least for the 0.20.5 version, I don't think they are available in 1.0dev?), and perhaps to circumvent Fop's current flaws. If it may be useful to the Fop team I would be glad to help. However, I wonder whether we can use RenderX' stylesheet as a basis. I'm not very familiar with legal issues. So far the stylesheet was available on their website; there is just a copyright statement (© RenderX , 1999-2001) at the beginning of the file. What is your opinion? Vincent [1] http://www.renderx.com/xmlspec.html
Re: representative example needed [was in fop-user]
Hello Vincent! --- Vincent Hennebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Web Maestro Clay] It would be *great* if some enterprising and generous developer could spend the time to generate FOP-based XSL-FO documents from the XML, XSLT and XPath specs. In fact, that would be a useful tool for comparing how fop-0.20.5 compares to fop-1.0-dev (the FOP re-design/TRUNK branch). Unfortunately, that hasn't been a priority up to this point. Perhaps it could become a priority in the future. [Jeremias] Oh, it would be so cool if we could have our own PDF of the XSL 1.0 specification [1]. The official PDF was created by RenderX. I thought about doing a stylesheet for that myself but I'm currently so busy coding on FOP 1.0dev that I'd be more than happy if someone from the user community could do that. It would also be interesting to compare FOP 0.20.5 and FOP 1.0dev which is under development. [Glen] Doughnuts are great! I really like them. Hi Fop team, would there be anything wrong with using RenderX' XSLT stylesheet to produce a pdf whith Fop? Probably, right now, because if we modify it it would still be copyrighted by RenderX, so we can't have it on our site, etc. We must be very careful to stay away from their work (I will flatter myself into thinking that some of them are even subscribed to this ML ;), and not have their work show up in one form or another within our project. So I think we should wait on this until the W3C makes up its own stylesheet without extensions, and makes the same stylesheet publicly available for any XSL processor to run. What may be more cool--and a much better selling point for FOP anyway--is for the Docbook XSL/PDF stylesheets to work well with 1.0 (0.20.5 already does a pretty good job with Docbook PDF generation.) I think that's a nicer target than the RenderX stylesheet, much more practical for our user base, and avoids the copyright headaches. But it is indeed a lot more work. Anyway, I have it on my disk and tried to run Fop over it. Well, bad news so far ;-( Fop 0.20.5 stops at p.16 whith an error message (Flow 'xsl-region-body' does not map to the region-body in page-master 'blank-page'). This is the page where there is just This page is intentionally left blank. We don't care much for making changes to 0.20.5 anymore. We focus on 1.0. Fop 1.0dev (freshly checked out) crashes with a NoSuchMethodError. Now *that* is of interest for us. I can provide details if needed (in form of a Bugzilla entry?). Sure for 1.0, please. I could adapt the stylesheet to introduce Fop extensions (at least for the 0.20.5 version, I don't think they are available in 1.0dev?), No--because again we don't want it anywhere on our site--please don't send it to us--it is RenderX's stylesheet, not ours. It is better not to even look at it, lest our ideas for a similar stylesheet end up coming from their work. (For FOP, BTW, the bookmark extensions from 0.20.5 were removed in favor of the 1.1 fo:bookmark-tree Co. formatting objects.) and perhaps to circumvent Fop's current flaws. If it may be useful to the Fop team I would be glad to help. You would be most welcome here. Thanks, Glen (BTW, checked your ENSEEIHT website -- looks like a wonderful place for a person to grow.)
