Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On Jun 14, 2018, at 5:48 PM, bch wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:30 AM JH wrote: > > One way to implement that is to incorporate SMTP into Fossil directly. > > Attractive as that may sound, do we really want to be another (near) instance > of Zawinski’s Law? I always had the sense that

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:30 AM JH wrote: > On 06/13/2018 08:11 AM, Warren Young wrote: > > On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > >> My current tthinking is to use a hybrid approach where subscribers get > >> emails just like ordinary mailing lists, but posting and replying is > >>

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On 2018-06-13 7:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: I would like to provide users the option to send messages formatted using Markdown. Are there Markdown libraries available in TCL that I can use, that you know of? Groups.io supports Markdown (web posting only). Messages composed

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I can see the advantages having an additional focussed collaborative tool within Fossil - it would be a very useful feature for small groups to discuss design decisions/progress and bug fixing. Linking to email especially for the bug tracker has also been a long requested feature. I can see this

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On 2018-06-13 4:28 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: Unfortunately, I'm going to need to shut down this mailing list due to robot harassment. I am working to come up with a fix or an alternative now. Your suggestions are welcomed. If you're open to a commercial mailing list with web archive features I'd

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On Jun 13, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > I have found is that forum > and ticket traffic far exceeds the amount of source code. I just exported my local 6-year archive of the SQLite mailing list traffic to an mbox file, then gzipped it, yielding a 31 MB file. The current sqlite.fo

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On Jun 13, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Steve Schow wrote: > > Yea I agree, this is nice stuff to have, but in my view is not compelling for > fossil which sets itself apart by being lightweight and simple. Yes, and I would expect this Fossil Forum Feature to be lightweight and simple, in the same way th

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Le 13/06/2018 à 15:41, Svyatoslav Mishyn a écrit : (Wed, 13 Jun 09:10) Richard Hipp: Other issues with GNU MailMan: ... (3) GNU MailMan is a pile of Python, spread out across many directories in magical places all over the filesystem. It is sparsely documented (that I have been able to find

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Le 13/06/2018 à 21:57, Florian Weimer a écrit : * Codebykevin: Does Mailman support old school subscription over email? It does. It's possible to run it without any web frontend at all, and it's still useful. Of course, there's no browsable web archive, but an external service can handle th

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Just my 2 cents. I do not think including a forum module in fossil is a good idea. Forum software is an entire project by itself. Over the years I tried various open source forum software for my various project websites. Simple Machines Forum (SMF) is the go-to one that I use. It has various an

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On 6/13/18, Warren Young wrote: >> Indeed, there are many advantages to just tacking a forum capability >> onto Fossil. > > Let’s list them: > > 2. Everyone who clones a Fossil project repository would henceforth also get > a clone of the project’s message traffic. This is not necessarily an adva

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Yea I agree, this is nice stuff to have, but in my view is not compelling for fossil which sets itself apart by being lightweight and simple. There are numerous collaborative development platforms out there already. I’ve messed around with a few of them and they are definitely cool and if I ha

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* Codebykevin: > Does Mailman support old school subscription over email? It does. It's possible to run it without any web frontend at all, and it's still useful. Of course, there's no browsable web archive, but an external service can handle that. __

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* Richard Hipp: > I have not. On the other hand, that patch has apparently been > available for 4 years and has not yet be folded into the official GNU > MailMan. Is Mailman still supported? It is, but it's a GNU project, so they are reluctant to download proprietary Javascript for execution by

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On Jun 13, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Steve Schow wrote: > > There are other deep solutions such as redmine and others which provide deep > collaboration capabilities…which is where that kind of feature would lead to. That makes me like the idea even more. :) It would be nice, for instance, to be able

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Does Mailman support old school subscription over email? > On Jun 13, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Marcelo wrote: > >> El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 15:39, Andy Bradford >> () escribió: > >> Thus said Richard Hipp on Wed, 13 Jun 2018 07:28:02 -0400: >> >> > The most recent problem is that robots are vis

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El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 15:39, Andy Bradford () escribió: > Thus said Richard Hipp on Wed, 13 Jun 2018 07:28:02 -0400: > > > The most recent problem is that robots are visiting the subscription > > page and entering innocent user's email addresses and names. > > What about simply disabling

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Here are some forum solutions that have been around a long time and a lot of people using them. both work with sqlite: https://www.phpbb.com https://mybb.com more info about many more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_foru

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As a certified forum junkie…I’ll add my two cents… While it would be cool to have a forum type of capability built into fossil, I do think that would end up being a very deep rabbit hole and one of the things i love about fossil is the simplicity of it. There are other deep solutions such as r

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Thus said Richard Hipp on Wed, 13 Jun 2018 07:28:02 -0400: > The most recent problem is that robots are visiting the subscription > page and entering innocent user's email addresses and names. What about simply disabling web-based subscriptions and require people to subscribe via email? Than

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On 13 June 2018 at 08:11, Warren Young wrote: > On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: >> >> My current tthinking is to use a hybrid approach where subscribers get >> emails just like ordinary mailing lists, but posting and replying is >> via web-form only. > > If you do this atop Fossi

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On Jun 13, 2018, at 10:30 AM, JH wrote: > > Recently, I started working on that using my smtp.h and smtp.c: I haven’t looked into your implementation, but I suspect you’re missing a whole lot: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Many-ML-emails-going-to-GMail-s-SPAM-td98685i20.html#a98722

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Excellent! You might take a look as well at the very lightweight "tlse" project (I use it in 8th):  https://github.com/eduardsui/tlse -- it is a small replacement for OpenSSL On 13/06/2018 19:30, JH wrote: On 06/13/2018 08:11 AM, Warren Youn

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On 06/13/2018 08:11 AM, Warren Young wrote: On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: My current tthinking is to use a hybrid approach where subscribers get emails just like ordinary mailing lists, but posting and replying is via web-form only. If you do this atop Fossil, then you end u

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On Jun 13, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > On 6/13/18, Warren Young wrote: >> If you do this atop Fossil, then you end up inches away from being able to >> provide an oft-wanted feature: email notifications on checkins, wiki article >> changes, and other Fossil events. > > Indeed, the

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On 6/13/18, Warren Young wrote: > If you do this atop Fossil, then you end up inches away from being able to > provide an oft-wanted feature: email notifications on checkins, wiki article > changes, and other Fossil events. Indeed, there are many advantages to just tacking a forum capability onto

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On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > My current tthinking is to use a hybrid approach where subscribers get > emails just like ordinary mailing lists, but posting and replying is > via web-form only. If you do this atop Fossil, then you end up inches away from being able to prov

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(Wed, 13 Jun 10:05) Richard Hipp: > I would like to provide users the option to send messages formatted > using Markdown. Are there Markdown libraries available in TCL that I > can use, that you know of? Written in pure Tcl? Or is it OK to use Tcl bindings to existing C Markdown libraries? http:

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Le 13/06/2018 16:05, « fossil-users au nom de Richard Hipp » a écrit : I would like to provide users the option to send messages formatted using Markdown. Are there Markdown libraries available in TCL that I can use, that you know of? There is, and it's MIT licensed, too. https:

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On 6/13/18, Peter Vonča wrote: > If you're going to write your own, are you going to use wapp? Sounds like a > good use case to me. Maybe. My current tthinking is to use a hybrid approach where subscribers get emails just like ordinary mailing lists, but posting and replying is via web-form only

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On 6/13/18, Svyatoslav Mishyn wrote: > > Have you considered/tried mlmmj - http://mlmmj.org/ ? > > At least it's written in C. A am not familiar with mlmmj. But a quick glance at the README shows that it seems to be using a pile-of-files style database. In order to create a new mailing list, yo

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 09:10:48AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > Other issues with GNU MailMan: > > (1) Only works with Apache. Or, at least, I have only been able to > get it to work with apache. That means I have to run a separate > apache server just to operation MailMan, whereas the rest of S

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Hello, (Wed, 13 Jun 09:10) Richard Hipp: > Other issues with GNU MailMan: > ... > (3) GNU MailMan is a pile of Python, spread out across many > directories in magical places all over the filesystem. It is sparsely > documented (that I have been able to find) and difficult to work on. Have you c

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If you're going to write your own, are you going to use wapp? Sounds like a good use case to me. You could use some open source forum software, plenty around and some of them even support sqlite as a backend, on the other hand it's all written in PHP ... There's also Slack and Discord if you like

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On 6/13/18, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > Does the patch from > https://www.dragonsreach.it/2014/05/03/adding-recaptcha-support-to-mailman/ > work? > I have not. On the other hand, that patch has apparently been available for 4 years and has not yet be folded into the official GNU MailMan. Is M

Re: [fossil-users] Mailing list shutting down...

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:28:02AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm going to need to shut down this mailing list due to > robot harassment. I am working to come up with a fix or an > alternative now. Your suggestions are welcomed. Does the patch from https://www.dragonsreach.it/20

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Just brainstorming here: May be a kind of "mailing list" and/or "forum" feature could be added to Fossil itself ? Fossil would become even more an alternative to github+git. Of course this would be a long-term work. This is just a random thought, it might be a bad idea, I’m not sure what to thi

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> Your suggestions are welcomed. Call me crazy, but what about a simple discussion board system built into Fossil itself? That way all the existing Fossil security code could be utilized. It could be distributed and you could push/pull conversation threads as artifacts. It could send out ema