Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Adam Jensen 
On 10/09/2016 09:31 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12673229

These are probably significant decision points for a lot of people:

"My intent is to continue personally supporting and maintaining Fossil
for at least three more decades."

https://youtu.be/Jib2AmRb_rk?t=4m33s

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Re: [fossil-users] Favicon in Localhost

2016-10-10 Thread Steven Gawroriski 
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:03:46 +1000
Dan Raymond  wrote:

> How to get a favicon to show if using localhost and embedded docs?

In the header skin, add meta tags to the head tag:




This uses the unversioned files feature, where I place the icons in the
unversioned space. I have heard that 1.36 may be releasing soon, so
once that is released you can use it this way.

If you cannot wait, then what I used to do was base64 encode the files
and include them in the meta tag (since I did not want to have the
icons and PNGs in the repository).
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Lonnie Abelbeck 

On Oct 9, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12673229

Our project uses Fossil to track configuration files for various open source 
packages, git was a non-starter for our small, embedded 50 MB image.

Fossil's small footprint and efficiency with built-in web tools makes it apples 
vs. oranges to most other VCS.

Lonnie

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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Adam Jensen 
On 10/10/2016 01:49 PM, Richie Adler wrote:
> *Nobody* has the
> excuse that version control is costly or complicated anymore.

As I sit here trying to untangle the [Permuted Index][1] of documents, I
realize there is most definitely a cost; I am paying it now. And,
unfortunately, none of this attention and effort is being harnessed. I
could be flagging small problems - something like making notes in the
margin while reading a book - a syntax error here, a grammatical problem
there, something that needs clarification or rephrasing, etc.

If the interface were designed to collect that data, I imagine the
developers could make good use of it and the cost of learning to use the
system would be reduced even further.

[1]: http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/permutedindex.html
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Richie Adler 
Lonnie Abelbeck decía, en el mensaje "Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN" del
10/10/2016 09:46:54:
> 
> On Oct 9, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> 
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12673229
> 
> Our project uses Fossil to track configuration files for various open source 
> packages, git was a non-starter for our small, embedded 50 MB image.
> 
> Fossil's small footprint and efficiency with built-in web tools makes it 
> apples vs. oranges to most other VCS.

Your case is a very nice "success story".

Fossil is a perfect example of an excuse that has to die. *Nobody* has the
excuse that version control is costly or complicated anymore. You don't even
need to create an account in Github. You can keep it all in house and the
configuration couldn't be easier...


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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov 
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:49:55 -0300
Richie Adler  wrote:

[...]
> Fossil is a perfect example of an excuse that has to die. *Nobody*
> has the excuse that version control is costly or complicated anymore.
> You don't even need to create an account in Github.

So, do you really think one has to create a Github account to use Git?
You have been sadly misinformed then: github.com is to Git what
chiselapp.com is to Fossil -- a hosting solution (one of many, in case
of Git).

> You can keep it all in house and the configuration couldn't be
> easier...

You can "keep it all in house" using any contemporary VCS.

That's not to say Fossil does not have some edge here in the form of
its cobmo -- self-hosting on the server plus easy web UI -- just please
be objective.
Say, if I need to back a Git repo up to a nearby server I do

  ssh server git init --bare ~/repo.git
  git remote add backup ssh://server/~/repo.git
  git push --all --follow-tags backup

which, I reckon, is next to be zero-configuration, too.
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Warren Young 
On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Konstantin Khomoutov 
 wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:49:55 -0300
> Richie Adler  wrote:
> 
> [...]
>> Fossil is a perfect example of an excuse that has to die. *Nobody*
>> has the excuse that version control is costly or complicated anymore.
>> You don't even need to create an account in Github.
> 
> So, do you really think one has to create a Github account to use Git?

Yes, I do, because git is nearly unusable without github.com or similar, 
whereas /usr/bin/fossil is perfectly usable as-is. :)

I’m only joking^Wserious. :)

> github.com is to Git what
> chiselapp.com is to Fossil -- a hosting solution (one of many, in case
> of Git).

github.com is far more than a hosting service.  It provides a whole pile of 
things that don’t exist in /usr/bin/git or /usr/libexec/git-core/*:

  https://github.com/features

And yes, I already know that not all of those things are in Fossil or 
ChiselApp, but many of them are, and many of the things you only get in Github 
Enterprise *are* in stock Fossil.

>> You can keep it all in house and the configuration couldn't be
>> easier...
> 
> You can "keep it all in house" using any contemporary VCS.

But you can’t keep Github in house without buying Github Enterprise, at 
$21/user/month, minimum 10 users, so $2,520 per year entry cost.

If you want any of the features common to Github/GHE and Fossil, and you want 
to host it privately, you’re looking at GHE or one of its complicated 
competitors. For example, here’s GitLab’s setup guide for CentOS:

  https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/#centos7

Compare Fossil: unpack, make && sudo make install.

No matter how you slice it, Git is more complex than Fossil, compared 
feature-for-feature.  Git only has advantages where it has a feature that you 
need that is missing in Fossil.  Many of us don’t need the extras Git provides, 
like subrepositories, rebase, etc.
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[fossil-users] Favicon in Localhost

2016-10-10 Thread Dan Raymond 
How to get a favicon to show if using localhost and embedded docs?
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Re: [fossil-users] fast-export to git produces unimportable dump

2016-10-10 Thread Andy Bradford 
Thus said Osamu Aoki on Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:32:51 +0900:

> PS: Immediately after posing here, I got many replies from SPAM :-(

I post  quite often and  never see any  SPAM. Maybe Gmail's  filters are
breaking down?

Andy
-- 
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Adam Jensen 
On 10/10/2016 08:12 AM, Adam Jensen wrote:
> On 10/09/2016 09:31 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12673229
> 
> These are probably significant decision points for a lot of people:
> 
> "My intent is to continue personally supporting and maintaining Fossil
> for at least three more decades."
> 
> https://youtu.be/Jib2AmRb_rk?t=4m33s

Along the same lines, it might be awesome if there were a dhr@
implementation of HDF5[1] using the same engineering methods, quality
standards, and long-term maintenance guarantees as SQLite.

Taking that idea further, if there were a data repository management
system, like Fossil, but with the goals (or additional goals) of
managing HDF5 based instrumentation data rather than (or addition to)
text file revision history, that could be a big deal within the
scientific communities.

[1]: https://www.hdfgroup.org/hdf5/
Though an open standard, there is only a single implementation of HDF5
(and it is less than inspiring).
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil on HN

2016-10-10 Thread Adam Jensen 
On 10/10/2016 10:02 AM, Adam Jensen wrote:
> Along the same lines, it might be awesome if there were a dhr@

s/dhr/drh-crew
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