Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:16:50 +, you wrote: Hello, I am looking at the source and see that enumerated lists are defined by: 1. Hello 2. Goodbye i.e. a two spaces, a number, a period, two spaces, text. Why was it decided to use that syntax instead of the common # syntax? This means that if I have a list of ten things and want to add in an item after position 4, I have to reorder the entire list. In the fossil docs for the rationale of the wiki markup, I read: The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, is intuitive, and is sufficient for 90% of all formatting tasks. I've used a lot of wiki's and have not seen the numbered list syntax of above and it does not seem intuitive either. I made the change to fossil to support # Hello # Goodbye can I commit the change drh? The 1. Hello 2. Goodbye syntax is intact and unchanged. I don't get it. We never had to number the list ourselves. What was wrong with : Numbered list 0 Number one 0 Number two 0 Number three -- ( Kees Nuyt ) c[_] ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Michael Richter wrote: I don't get it. We never had to number the list ourselves. What was wrong with : Numbered list 0 Number one 0 Number two 0 Number three It gives you a list that looks like: 0. Number one 0. Number two 0. Number three That's not really a numbered list, now, is it? Ahhh ... in my Fossil wiki it gives me: 1. Number one 2. Number two 3. Number three Try for yourself in the Fossil wiki's sandbox ... But pay attention: Every number enclosed in *two* Blanks! Ciao, chi. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Kees Nuyt k.n...@zonnet.nl wrote: I don't get it. We never had to number the list ourselves. What was wrong with : Numbered list 0 Number one 0 Number two 0 Number three Nothing, except it's not documented anywhere or readily noticable in the code. I must have skipped right over it! In the wiki_rules, I see: Enumeration Lists. An enumeration list item is a line that begins with one or more digits optionally followed by a . and is surrounded on both sides by two or more spaces or by a tab. The number is significant and becomes the number shown in the rendered enumeration item. Only a single level of enumeration list is supported by wiki. For nested enumerations or for enumerations that count using letters or roman numerials, use HTML. I do, however, by far prefer # over 0 as in many web browsers the default font of 0 looks like an O. Also, in keeping with the idea that The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, # is much more common, I've never run into using 0 before in a wiki system. People will intuitively use * and #. As proof, look at how many people never knew Fossil did numeric lists! Also, the purpose of a wiki is to make the text both human readable and able to be formatted by a computer at the same time. So, when reading a numbered list, compare these two items: John Doe had many pets as a child: 0 Dog 0 Cat 0 Fish 0 Rabbit 0 Horse or. John Doe had many pets as a child: # Dog # Cat # Fish # Rabbit # Horse Also, I wanted to make note that even in the fossil wiki where numeric lists are used, I see the syntax of: 1. Dog 2. Cat 3. Fish 4. which is the defined syntax. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
2009/12/9 chi ml-fos...@qiao.in-berlin.de I don't get it. We never had to number the list ourselves. What was wrong with : Numbered list 0 Number one 0 Number two 0 Number three It gives you a list that looks like: 0. Number one 0. Number two 0. Number three That's not really a numbered list, now, is it? Ahhh ... in my Fossil wiki it gives me: 1. Number one 2. Number two 3. Number three Try for yourself in the Fossil wiki's sandbox ... I did before I posted. But pay attention: Every number enclosed in *two* Blanks! Yes, I know this. I got a list of 0. (Note the period in my list there?) ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Kees Nuyt k.n...@zonnet.nl wrote: I don't get it. We never had to number the list ourselves. What was wrong with : Numbered list 0 Number one 0 Number two 0 Number three With this new information, value=0 only working on IE and the value= attribute being depreciated, I have committed the # list change to fossil. The old syntax is still intact and can be used if you like to order your own lists, however, I would highly suggest converting over to the new syntax of using # for your ordered lists. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Michael Richter ttmrich...@gmail.com wrote: Ahhh ... in my Fossil wiki it gives me: 1. Number one 2. Number two 3. Number three Try for yourself in the Fossil wiki's sandbox ... I did before I posted. But pay attention: Every number enclosed in *two* Blanks! Yes, I know this. I got a list of 0. (Note the period in my list there?) It's not your syntax or fossil, it's the web browser. So far, it looks like only IE will turn value=0 into a numbered list. The rest give 0... but do not fear, I just committed the # list change. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:56:13 +0800, you wrote: I don't get it. We never had to number the list ourselves. What was wrong with : Numbered list 0 Number one 0 Number two 0 Number three It gives you a list that looks like: 0. Number one 0. Number two 0. Number three No, it doesn't in my version of fossil, [732d7c406e] 2009-11-25 22:14:11 , nor in the newest, [484c8f9f86] 2009-12-08 18:43:51 Using Google Chrome browser v3.0.195.33 and Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.18865. But indeed, Firefox v3.5.5 shows the zeroes! Fossil generates (edited for readability): pNumbered list !-- 0 0 0 case -- ol li value=0Number one/li li value=0Number two/li li value=0Number three/li /ol/p pNumbered list !-- 1 2 3 case -- ol li value=1Number one/li li value=2Number two/li li value=3Number three/li /ol/p That's not really a numbered list, now, is it? Indeed, I think we could even consider this an (understandable) bug. Ok, Jeremy has a point in adding a non-digit as a token for a automatically numbered list, and seeding the enumeration value only if an explicit digit is given. -- ( Kees Nuyt ) c[_] ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Kees Nuyt k.n...@zonnet.nl wrote: Using Google Chrome browser v3.0.195.33 and Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.18865. But indeed, Firefox v3.5.5 shows the zeroes! You can download: http://api.browsershots.org/screenshots/091209-075848-jeremy.cowgar.com-4005547.zip and see the results in 53 different browsers. IE, Avant, Safari and Chrome all show 1. 2. 3. The rest show 0. 0. 0. Further, all text based browsers I've found show 0 0 0. Ok, Jeremy has a point in adding a non-digit as a token for a automatically numbered list, and seeding the enumeration value only if an explicit digit is given. I committed the change, however, it does not seed anything. It just uses normal HTML syntax. For instance: # Red # Green # Blue is output as: ol liRed/li liGreen/li liBlue/li /ol The old syntax of: 12. Red 98. Green 3. Blue still exists and still outputs: ol li value=12Red/li li value=98Green/li li value=3Blue/li /ol Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Any feedback on the below? Jeremy Subject: Numbered list syntax? Hello, I am looking at the source and see that enumerated lists are defined by: 1. Hello 2. Goodbye i.e. a two spaces, a number, a period, two spaces, text. Why was it decided to use that syntax instead of the common # syntax? This means that if I have a list of ten things and want to add in an item after position 4, I have to reorder the entire list. In the fossil docs for the rationale of the wiki markup, I read: The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, is intuitive, and is sufficient for 90% of all formatting tasks. I've used a lot of wiki's and have not seen the numbered list syntax of above and it does not seem intuitive either. I made the change to fossil to support # Hello # Goodbye can I commit the change drh? The 1. Hello 2. Goodbye syntax is intact and unchanged. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 23:58 +, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: Any feedback on the below? My only concern would be that in several languages, # is the everything-after-this-on-this-line-is-a-comment character. Probably there's no issue, but I'd just want to be sure it wouldn't end up corrupting code samples. -- Joshua Paine LetterBlock: Web applications built with joy http://letterblock.com/ 301-576-1920 ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Joshua Paine jos...@letterblock.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 23:58 +, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: Any feedback on the below? My only concern would be that in several languages, # is the everything-after-this-on-this-line-is-a-comment character. Probably there's no issue, but I'd just want to be sure it wouldn't end up corrupting code samples. Shouldn't as you should be wrapping code samples in: verbatim /verbatim and inside of that, nothing is parsed. For instance, a code sample of Tcl in normal pre tags is disasterous: pre # This sets a to equal 20 * 30 set a [expr 20 * 30] /pre However, that same code properly inserted into the wiki is just fine: verbatim # This sets a to equal 20 * 30 set a [expr 20 * 30] /verbatim Even before a change of adding numeric lists via #, the Tcl code is messed up in just a pre tag. However, in the verbatim tag, all is well. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
I like it. Ron Wilson, Engineering Project Lead (o) 434.455.6453, (m) 434.851.1612, www.harris.com HARRIS CORPORATION | RF Communications Division assuredcommunications(tm) -Original Message- From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org [mailto:fossil-users- boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cowgar Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:58 PM To: Fossil User Mailing List Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax? Any feedback on the below? Jeremy Subject: Numbered list syntax? Hello, I am looking at the source and see that enumerated lists are defined by: 1. Hello 2. Goodbye i.e. a two spaces, a number, a period, two spaces, text. Why was it decided to use that syntax instead of the common # syntax? This means that if I have a list of ten things and want to add in an item after position 4, I have to reorder the entire list. In the fossil docs for the rationale of the wiki markup, I read: The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, is intuitive, and is sufficient for 90% of all formatting tasks. I've used a lot of wiki's and have not seen the numbered list syntax of above and it does not seem intuitive either. I made the change to fossil to support # Hello # Goodbye can I commit the change drh? The 1. Hello 2. Goodbye syntax is intact and unchanged. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Me like it too. - Altu -Original Message- From: Wilson, Ronald rwils...@harris.com To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 6:54 am Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax? I like it.Ron Wilson, Engineering Project Lead(o) 434.455.6453, (m) 434.851.1612, www.harris.comHARRIS CORPORATION | RF Communications Division assuredcommunications(tm) -Original Message- From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org [mailto:fossil-users- boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cowgar Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:58 PM To: Fossil User Mailing List Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax? Any feedback on the below? Jeremy Subject: Numbered list syntax? Hello, I am looking at the source and see that enumerated lists are defined by:1. Hello 2. Goodbye i.e. a two spaces, a number, a period, two spaces, text. Why was it decided to use that syntax instead of the common # syntax? This means that if I have a list of ten things and want to add in an item after position 4, I have to reorder the entire list. In the fossil docs for the rationale of the wiki markup, I read: The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, is intuitive, and is sufficient for 90% of all formatting tasks. I've used a lot of wiki's and have not seen the numbered list syntax of above and it does not seem intuitive either. I made the change to fossil to support# Hello # Goodbye can I commit the change drh? The1. Hello 2. Goodbye syntax is intact and unchanged. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users___fossil-users mailing listfossil-us...@lists.fossil-scm.orghttp://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
I like it a lot. Renumbering lists was always a hassle. 2009/12/9 altufa...@mail.com Me like it too. - Altu -Original Message- From: Wilson, Ronald rwils...@harris.com To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 6:54 am Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax? I like it. Ron Wilson, Engineering Project Lead (o) 434.455.6453, (m) 434.851.1612, www.harris.com HARRIS CORPORATION | RF Communications Division assuredcommunications(tm) -Original Message- From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org [mailto:fossil-users- fossil-users-? boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cowgar Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:58 PM To: Fossil User Mailing List Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Numbered list syntax? Any feedback on the below? Jeremy Subject: Numbered list syntax? Hello, I am looking at the source and see that enumerated lists are defined by: 1. Hello 2. Goodbye i.e. a two spaces, a number, a period, two spaces, text. Why was it decided to use that syntax instead of the common # syntax? This means that if I have a list of ten things and want to add in an item after position 4, I have to reorder the entire list. In the fossil docs for the rationale of the wiki markup, I read: The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, is intuitive, and is sufficient for 90% of all formatting tasks. I've used a lot of wiki's and have not seen the numbered list syntax of above and it does not seem intuitive either. I made the change to fossil to support # Hello # Goodbye can I commit the change drh? The 1. Hello 2. Goodbye syntax is intact and unchanged. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users ___ fossil-users mailing listfossil-us...@lists.fossil-scm.orghttp://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
[fossil-users] Numbered list syntax?
Hello, I am looking at the source and see that enumerated lists are defined by: 1. Hello 2. Goodbye i.e. a two spaces, a number, a period, two spaces, text. Why was it decided to use that syntax instead of the common # syntax? This means that if I have a list of ten things and want to add in an item after position 4, I have to reorder the entire list. In the fossil docs for the rationale of the wiki markup, I read: The wiki markup used by fossil, though limited, is common to most other wiki engines, is intuitive, and is sufficient for 90% of all formatting tasks. I've used a lot of wiki's and have not seen the numbered list syntax of above and it does not seem intuitive either. I made the change to fossil to support # Hello # Goodbye can I commit the change drh? The 1. Hello 2. Goodbye syntax is intact and unchanged. Jeremy ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
