Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 March 2011 09:48, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 March 2011 09:12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. That claim's a definite citation needed. I know you follow the media with regards to wikipedia to at least some extent. You must have noticed the WMF is a tiny little

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening

2011-03-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 March 2011 23:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: So... that's a no? There's no record of who wrote what? I think people in the community are interested to know how much of the strategic plan came from various stakeholders, both the ideas and the actual pieces of the report. If you

Re: [Foundation-l] Raising funds without being quite so annoying to readers

2011-03-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 March 2011 14:05, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Picking up on the comment by Tobias about less intrusive fundraising, I would make sure we are pursuing the following: 1 Build up a past donors database, communicate with them effectively and then as long as they

Re: [Foundation-l] Raising funds without being quite so annoying to readers

2011-03-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 March 2011 16:12, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate that we may only be able to exclude donors who are logged in readers from banner ads. But it is better in my view to say Yes we can do that,  but you would have to tell us your username and be logged in to

Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

2011-01-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 30 January 2011 18:02, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/01/2011 13:10, koteche mcintosh wrote: People choose to donate just like before. But on a regular basis. everyone can see the fund. Everyone is part of the story. this GALVANIZES support. Shoes governments the POWER of public

Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

2011-01-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 January 2011 20:33, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Such a solution would make it easier to fold separate wikis (such as a conference wiki) back into Meta when we were done with them, too. Why fold them into meta afterwards rather than just use Meta from the beginning? Isn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 January 2011 08:25, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Hello, Tonight, Egypt has ordered all operators to shut down their BGP adjacencies with out of countries providers.  This mean Egypt is disconnected from the rest of the internet. I am wondering, should we just close our

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 26 January 2011 23:41, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2011 22:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jimmy has previously made way too many off-the-cuff remarks that have gotten him into hot water to repeat that mistake again, surely. *cough*Sarah Palin*cough*

Re: [Foundation-l] H2G2 to be disposed of

2011-01-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 25 January 2011 07:11, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: It is a question however if per http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/help/entry_faqs#copyright and http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/#4 In certain circumstance the BBC may also share your contribution with trusted third parties*. would allow

Re: [Foundation-l] H2G2 to be disposed of

2011-01-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 25 January 2011 11:26, Alison M. Wheeler wikime...@alisonwheeler.com wrote: - Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Very doubtful indeed. Wikipedia might, conceivably, be considered a trusted third party, but there is no way the rest of world would and we can't accept content

Re: [Foundation-l] H2G2 to be disposed of

2011-01-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 24 January 2011 18:02, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2011 16:09, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12265173 Anything worth salvaging? Probably but I can't see it falling within our remit. Apart from anything else

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 January 2011 06:36, whothis whoth...@gmail.com wrote: You can't be on an advisory board and tell a non-profit organization what to do as a pro-bono advisor to the board and then get paid by the said foundation as a fellow a few years into your tenure, serving both positions at the same

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 January 2011 20:07, F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is a problem here?? Do we have a partnership with them? The French Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 January 2011 07:45, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: What they do in the Portuguese Wikipedia is not what i propose; it's only close to it. What's listed at [[en:Wikipedia:Perennial proposals]] is very different from what i propose. I don't propose limited adminship; i

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 15 January 2011 21:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Before writing that proposal i reviewed many, many pages of RFA is broken discussions not just in the English Wikipedia, but in Hebrew, Russian and Catalan ones, too. Nowhere have i found a proposal to dump the

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Pew Research Report on Wikipedia]

2011-01-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2011/1/14 KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: There's a high correlation between broadband and income levels that probably has more to do with it. Not worldwide I assume, broadband availability seems to depend on geographic

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Pew Research Report on Wikipedia]

2011-01-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 January 2011 21:19, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: There's a high correlation between broadband and income levels that probably has more to do with it. There is a correlation between broadband and age, as well, I believe. The elderly (when they have an internet connection at

Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?

2011-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 January 2011 00:59, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Steven Walling wrote: The other Wikipedias weren't started on that date, so they have nothing to celebrate or commemorate. The anniversary is not just about English Wikipedia. If this was just English Wikipedia's celebration, there

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

2011-01-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 January 2011 01:56, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/1/1 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: That is the completely wrong attitude. If we cannot reach our target with an honest campaign, we should accept that we cannot reach our target and make do with less money. We should

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

2011-01-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 January 2011 13:45, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: This puts a ceiling on 'urgent' costs at $8.8 M, or 43% of the budget of $20.4 M. [3] This is a worthwhile analysis, but you have neglected the numerous expenses involved in supporting a large organisation. You can't have an

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

2011-01-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 January 2011 23:50, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't see anything wrong at all with messages that signal increased urgency as the fundraiser draws to a close. I do. When the fundraiser ends is a choice you make, not something imposed upon you by external forces. Also, people

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

2011-01-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 January 2011 00:15, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 January 2011 00:09, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with the rest of your email, though. The WMF's increased budget is justified. That money is going on worthwhile things. That doesn't, however, mean

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement of Expert Trustees' Appointment and Bylaw-change

2010-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
Congratulations to the board members that were re-appointed and good luck for the next year/two years. Was there any community consultation before this by-law change? If there was, I missed it. While this change isn't likely to be controversial, I think it would be a good idea to consult the

Re: [Foundation-l] Re: [Wikizh-l] About WM priv ate policy

2010-12-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 24 December 2010 23:20, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Addressing the other half of this issue, is creating a page = to editing, I'd argue that page creation is a subset of editing with a fundamental difference. Creating a page has different requirements (such as meeting

Re: [Foundation-l] Korean Wikipedians charged with criminal defamation: a potential threat of censorship

2010-12-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
I expect a good lawyer can be found. The WMF might be able to help with that, they have lots of useful contacts. If even the police didn't think there is much of a case, they must stand a very good chance of winning the case. While it will surely be a very stressful and unpleasant experience for

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? That's not really a discussion for this mailing list. I'm not sure CZ would accept such an offer even if it were made, though. Accepting help from

Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual

2010-12-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 December 2010 12:27, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: In principle, it would be possible to have a short error message with a script tag that loads the multilingual error messages. You should compromise and have a small number of languages, but greater than 1. Language

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 December 2010 00:20, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone - First, let me thank you all for your concern about the recent banners.   Michael Snow is right - we tested some things, thinking that we could manage to raise the yield slightly by deliberately

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 December 2010 12:33, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: With that said, the banners are being changed right now - they'll say Wikimedia. That's progress, but it is still wrong. Sue is not the ED of Wikimedia. She is the ED of the Wikimedia Foundation. I am part of Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 9 December 2010 10:00, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: ouch, this is painful. Like many chapters probably I have been trying to explain to people the difference between Wikimedia and Wikipedia, and that Wikipedia has no such thing as a board of editors or even a board of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/12/9 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? I've received this email... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 9 December 2010 23:03, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out, It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job title would be. Don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Shopping-enabled Wikipedia pages

2010-12-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 December 2010 05:24, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and only 4 times what the actual internet hosting of a top5 web site costs. [Citation needed] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Shopping-enabled Wikipedia pages

2010-12-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 4 December 2010 22:09, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: If WMF wanted to spend less money, the fundraiser would have much lower profile, right? :) I somehow want us to think about our users and service as primary objective, not just organizational issues. When you budget 2

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Ombudsman

2010-11-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
It sounds like you are talking more about an inspection than an ombudsman. The problem with your proposal is that disagreements between the Foundation and community are usually due to it being very unclear what the roles of each are. There isn't a rulebook that someone can make sure the WMF is

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright terms, again

2010-11-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
The servers are in the US and owned by a US organisation which has minimal overseas assets, which means US law is pretty much the only one that applies. If you want people in Serbia to be able to re-use the content, though, you need to make sure it satisfies Serbian law too. That means you need to

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 November 2010 22:42, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Why have advertising anywhere when you can just google for things you want to buy? Consumers don't put advertising anywhere and it is consumers that can just google for things. Advertising is done by companies to attract

Re: [Foundation-l] the annual advertisement discussion

2010-11-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 November 2010 13:03, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote: For one thing, we have always been proud of how Wikipedia and its sister sites have been ad-free. Why don't we get those half-breeds with their ads and everything to do the revenue making? I mean, of course, Wikia. Having ads on

Re: [Foundation-l] the annual advertisement discussion

2010-11-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 November 2010 13:34, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote: I thought someone was saying that Wikia gets all kinds of special treatment, or something like that. People say all kinds of things. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 November 2010 15:50, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: We use a tab at the top of the article to link to the ad page. No one has to click on it; but if you're looking for buying, or investigating products, you will. The click-through rate would be tiny and therefore so would the

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 November 2010 16:05, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 November 2010 15:50, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: We use a tab at the top of the article to link to the ad page. No one has to click

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 November 2010 16:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: 1) Why the huge assumption of bad faith?  I don't think you're correct that people would sign up for ads who don't want ads.  As you correctly point out, there would actually be no long-term benefit to anyone for doing so. 2) If the

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 November 2010 16:40, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: They won't be people that want ads, though. They'll be people that want ad revenue

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 November 2010 17:02, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: ... and compromise content, as TV Tropes found out: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/TheSituation?from=Main.TheGoogleIncident That's not a problem with adverts. It's merely an incompatibility between Google's

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 November 2010 17:07, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: ads there would be able to be served in a way that is both relevant to the end-user (based on the term being searched for) That's a big problem. To use a somewhat clichéd example, we should not be showing adverts for either

Re: [Foundation-l] Five-year WMF targets exclude non-Wikipedia projects

2010-10-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 October 2010 09:33, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Despite repeated assurances at Wikimania, on lists and on strategywiki, that the strategic plan was going to consider all Wikimedia projects as important, now at

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-10-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 30 September 2010 20:31, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 September 2010 17:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Actually

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 September 2010 17:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I'm quite the pragmatist. You are being an idealist by assuming that can just go with the nice solution and it will all work out fine, despite

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 September 2010 12:24, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, You love theory, I love to be more realistic. Given that chapters are about providing support in one area with one legal and financial system to the WMF, it is clear and obvious that Kosovo is not part of greater

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?

2010-09-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 September 2010 13:09, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: That would only be the case if we would have sufficient information to actually make a decision and this would be the actual body making such decision in the first place. Some very important indicators are still missing.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 September 2010 20:36, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: The most important harm which exists now is the fact that free knowledge activists from Kosovo are not included yet into the Wikimedia movement. So, until the situation becomes more clear, we should think how to solve that

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?

2010-09-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor Kosovo independence. Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters (which is probably best for the WM movement, since the Serbian chapter

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?

2010-09-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 September 2010 15:27, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor Kosovo independence. Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters (which is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 September 2010 10:14, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the set up of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving them a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate

Re: [Foundation-l] CHANGE TO OFFICE HOURS

2010-08-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 August 2010 21:56, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: They're not exactly technical issues: I just have a headache :-( Go and have a lie down - by far the best headache cure. Get well soon! ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

2010-08-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 11 August 2010 12:37, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: DISCLAIMER: this is a delicate issue that could easily generate a flame. So please everybody presume the good faith and stay on topic :-) I don't really know if this issue as been discussed in earlier threads (I subscribed

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

2010-08-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 11 August 2010 19:54, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote: Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X, from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper.  Since the

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy, statistics and rankings

2010-08-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 August 2010 09:04, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: While I disagree with the policy I'm not sure we can say that they aren't allowed to make it. I think a more restrictive policy would be allowed just not less restrictive. That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy, statistics and rankings

2010-08-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 August 2010 19:33, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Currently the data collection and processing doesn't follow its recommended code of good practice of the UKs DPA and may even be in breach of it: http://www.ico.gov.uk/ebook/ebook.htm That's quite a long document. You could point out

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 August 2010 23:01, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm very sorry to hear this! I'm not sure how the Foundation is going to survive without you... thank you enormously

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 August 2010 23:51, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, you'll be missed. The WMF absolutely should try to replace you, although I doubt they'll find someone who can do the job as well as you have done. Just to clarify, my understanding is that the plan is to replace Cary with multiple

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

2010-07-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 July 2010 16:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2010 16:21, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: But all of the above are nice dreams about the future. Is there any proven experience from the past that demonstrates why personal meetings between

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

2010-07-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 July 2010 16:35, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: You said personal meetings between Wikimedians, not specifically Wikimania. Do you mean only Wikimania, or do you mean personal meetings in general? Ah, you were answering the first of the two questions in the text you quoted. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

2010-07-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 July 2010 16:37, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: There was also a fundraising summit hosted by Wikimedia UK http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Fundraising_Summit, which Thomas could tell us more about. Indeed. For people involved in chapters, there are lots of in-person meetings

Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice

2010-07-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 July 2010 22:43, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Job adverts? Really?. Site notice is for critical stuff (fund raising, servers about to explode) even if you play with the notice to only appear ~%10 of the time. Central notice even more so. For less important stuff where you want to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 Now Posted

2010-07-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 July 2010 00:28, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a bit late here, but I have three (little) questions: 1) Page 7, part VI, section A, line 7a: Does the organization have members, stockholders, or other persons who may elect one or more members of the governing body?

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy etc - merging data

2010-07-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 July 2010 13:53, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: I'd rather not speculate about what happens or the intent before someone from the WMF who is responsible for this clarifies the statement. I hope we all can hold ourselves from guessing and seeking logic until that moment. This

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 July 2010 23:30, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I will talk without mentioning names, but I will try to be precise enough. In other words, I don't want to talk about people and organizations, but about problems. Taking care about problems is much more important than making witch

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 July 2010 15:17, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Just to make clear about which problems are, because I didn't structure text clearly. Problems are: 1. Corruption among two chapters. 2. US business interests influence WMF strategy. 3. Gap between those who are coming between poor

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 July 2010 23:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Sue Gardner, 14/07/2010 18:33: * Anyone who has information about malfeasance or misfeasance inside Wikimedia should take a look at our Whistleblower Policy, which lays out process for escalation to authorities.  The

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 July 2010 23:54, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest, anyone whistleblowing from outside the organisation.. well, it's rather hard to be punished by the foundation employment-wise when you don't work for them. Well, yes, that was my point.

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 July 2010 18:29, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, well, I think this gets back to David Goodman's point, one which I agree with. Yes, the only absolute commitment the WMF has in the grand scheme of things is to provide the physical resource to host the projects.  

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 July 2010 18:53, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: If something of similar consequences as the kill switch [1] were triggered against the WMF in USA, would it still be accessible for the rest of the world? The kill switch idea, as I understand it, is about killing the internet entirely, not

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 July 2010 10:37, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Who is WMF competing with? User attention. Sorry, misread who with what. Presently,

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to Foundation Website

2010-06-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 30 June 2010 09:28, Samuel J Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes: If there is one thing that I find problematic, it is that the WMF office can be observed to operate a dual role; it is the world wide office for the Wikimedia Foundation and it

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Anya Shyrokova leaves Wikimedia

2010-06-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
Anya, Congratulations on getting in grad school. Your work over the last 2 years is greatly appreciated - particularly the help and support you gave me while I was visiting the office earlier this year! I wish you the best of luck in the future. Tom On 29 June 2010 00:34, Rand Montoya

Re: [Foundation-l] final (*) strategy office hours on Tuesday

2010-06-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 29 June 2010 01:50, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.com wrote: Our final (*) strategic planning office hours .. ... * Several people have discussed continuing the weekly office hours beyond the scope of this project,

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 26 June 2010 14:44, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: Austin, Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. Wikiversity has a top organizer? What does that mean?

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 June 2010 13:55, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that one can't disclose correspondence to any third-party without consent of both parties?  In what jurisdictions? The law is a little out-of-date. When someone sends you a physical letter you can give that letter to

[Foundation-l] Gathering for chapters and potential chapters at Wikimania

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
It has been proposed that people from chapters and people wanting to form chapters get together at Wikimania in order to share experiences and offer each other advice. I am trying to organise such a gathering. I'm currently proposing an informal gathering during the Saturday morning coffee break.

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 June 2010 15:29, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: In a certain jurisdiction, only creative expression can be under protection of laws. I have no comment, since I don't follow the whole discussion, if it is related to the mail in question. Sure, but I think creative expression is usually

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 June 2010 20:42, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Given that this is recurring drama-creating behavior, perhaps we can move on to the ignore stage of WP:RBI. On enwiki, we did that ages ago. I don't believe he is blocked on Wikiversity (yet).

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 June 2010 21:30, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: I would have thought almost any copying (such as what the software routinely does on, say, this very e-mail) would be at worst fair use. You've copied the email as a by-product of replying to it to provide context. I think that is

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board resolution commissioning study and recommendations

2010-06-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 24 June 2010 19:08, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 June 2010 07:20, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: 4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature, and any material that is not educational should be removed. I would suggest that passing a resolution

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board resolution commissioning study and recommendations

2010-06-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 24 June 2010 20:13, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: If education is learning about the world, there is essentially nothing that can not be considered as having at least  potential educational value.  There are of course different degrees of educational value, but using it by

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy one language - one Wikipedia

2010-06-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 24 June 2010 15:04, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: - Scope and name: Maybe it would practically make no big difference whether the project is called simple or for kids. Poor readers and adult beginning readers (natives or not) tend to read texts that are meant for children

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 June 2010 15:45, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2010 15:20,  wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The common name in any language has more stability as far as the lay person is concerned. the lay person shouldn't have to first find the latin name of an organism when

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 June 2010 11:37, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 17:25, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote many things. My sidenote is that if you believe in what you say then you imply Wikipedia, Wikimedia and everything we have with 'wiki' string

Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

2010-06-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 June 2010 18:12, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia lists, including Otrs-en-l and daily-article-l.  I don't know what if any

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 June 2010 08:52, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: On 15 June 2010 00:17, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: Tardises are antiquated visual whatchamacallits, but not even remotely trademarks. Now you are just embarrassing yourself. Check your facts: http

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 15 June 2010 00:17, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: I happen to know there is an English phrase Doctor, heal thyself. You probably ANAL. But that doesn't stop you from FUDDing. I'm an anal non-lawyer, at that! I may be spreading uncertainty and doubt and something that is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 15 June 2010 00:20, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 June 2010 00:17, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: You are claiming the law is complicated. But the facts are plain and simple, and no amount of FUDD is going to support a view that there is any reasonable

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 June 2010 23:33, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: Dog isn't strongly associated in the public psyche with a particular brand. Wiki is. Like I say, these are complicated issues of legal interpretation and really should be left to the lawyers

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/6/12 Jiří Hofman hofm...@aldebaran.cz: The community is not unanimous. Therefore I would like to ask an international Wikipedia community for its opinion. Is it a violation of the Wikimedia Foundation rights? The opinion of the community (local or international) is largely irrelevant.

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin

2010-06-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 June 2010 19:47, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, It would be great to have one from the technical staff also... I mentioned Danese (CTO), do you want to here from other technical staff? ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin

2010-06-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 June 2010 01:13, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey everyone! On Friday, June 11, the Office Hour will once again be hosted by Mike Godwin, Legal counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation, who you can read about at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin As interesting as

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 June 2010 00:13, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't protectable according German copyright law but WMF has done so. Of course it is lawful for the WMF to remove something from a WMF site. It may not be legally

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 May 2010 01:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: In trying to solve the user interface problems as well as generally figuring out how we're going to talk about this feature to the world at large, it became clear that the name Flagged Protections doesn't adequately

[Foundation-l] Chapter selected board seats - call for candidates, deadline extended

2010-05-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
and to work independently as well as part of a team. The process that will be followed for this selection can be viewed here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/Process All nominations must be sent to the moderator (Thomas Dalton from Wikimedia UK) and deputy moderator (José

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 announcement

2010-05-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 May 2010 09:41, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: The Wikimania jury has selected Haifa, Israel as the location for Wikimania 2011. Ther was a young jolly man from Haifa Who logged in to get the best airfare  The Internet said, At once,  you had to stop by in Gdansk but you

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