will have to face extinction if deafness
can be healed. Others would sacrifice this culture for the higher sake
of being released from their non-self-chosen isolation.
_In my opinion isolationism is a normal motive for every proposed
Wikipedia._
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Andre Engels hett schreven:
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nd this configuration does make sense, in my opinion. If we
have a hypothetical language with one million oral speakers, but only a
handful of people able
of the single extensions. Where can I find CreatePage live in
action, or 'Generic Edit Page' or Layouts? Screenshots on the single
extension pages would be good too.
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As most of you know we've been working on Wikipedia video tutorials
during the last few months. The general idea behind producing video
tutorials is the belief that videos make learning much easier than
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forbid that's a definite stance. If we allow, there are
still two possible outcomes: Latin will fall or it stand strong and
Vulgar will stay vulgar.
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Muhammad Alsebaey hett schreven:
The mission of the foundation is an educational one. So it would be
better to ask the uneducated masses of Egypt, whether they feel a gain
from a Wikipedia in their language or whether they stick with the
Latin Wikipedia.
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In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
is something like Latin. With the difference, that Latin fell out of use
to make place
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I am sure he will handle the rename as soon as he can, but patience is key.
cough, please be patient! It's only been three years since mo.wikipedia
was closed. The case will be handled as soon as one of our service team
members becomes available.
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after
that...
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There is only one thing stopping it from going live in my opinion - developer
enthusiasm.
What about community consensus?
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'no', but Voro
has few interest to be covered by 'et'.
That shouldn't surprise, since Nynorsk and Bokmal are two different
standardizations for the same language, when Voro and Estonian are
different languages.
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Gerard Meijssen wrote:
It is nice
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Hoi
What is IUP ?
Thanks,
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oops kind. But we have other ones on our projects, that are more harmful.
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know about the specifics of the project that influence the depth.
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interpretations possible now: a)
All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable.
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Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a)
All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable.
All those critics being you
hire some more
people, who help you do the tasks that need to be done, or alternatively
make access to administrative tools easier, so that voluntary helpers
can help you do the tasks that need to be done.
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(c.f. the earlier proposal for a Victims of Soviet Repression wiki -
nice idea, but utterly unsuited to WMF through utter lack of
neutrality.)
http://sep11.wikipedia.org/ does still work by the way.
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[no additions since at least 2007,
although they still support Elmer Fudd, bork bork bork, Klingon and
pirate speak...]. At the moment Google supports the languages of
roundabout 85 to 90% of the world's population and it seems, they don't
care about the rest.)
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a sufficiently sized corpus.
Yes, that was basically my main question: What is sufficiently? How much
pages or MB of text? At least the order of magnitude.
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codes is not
related to Google's operations. If Google wants to use Wikipedia content
to improve their tools it should be really easy for them to do the code
mapping (e.g. 'no'-'nb').
So does anybody know how big a corpus must be to be helpful to Google?
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less general and valid and suddenly you can appreciate and
understand the worries of the other. Sometimes.
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David Gerard hett schreven:
2009/6/15 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org:
David Gerard schrieb:
I'd hope this isn't a summary of the views of other Commons admins.
Anyone else? Or is the Commons admin community this insular and derisive?
That was an inversion, a change
they answered not
at all and the other time they said nothing had changed.
Pirate of course is an important addition... And Montenegrin surely was
a good measure to endear oneself to the Montenegrin government.
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if the Wikimedia
Foundation could go to the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation and say Hey,
with 100,000 $ you can help us to create a 100,000 entry encyclopedia
for 10 million speakers of Chichewa, where before there was exactly _no_
encyclopedia-like content in that language!?
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have now at which contributing is _not_ fun.
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treaties etc. The
foundation is an avatar. This is the sole reason why a foundation
exists. To enable the community to act outside cyperspace. Therefore
ideally there should be no decision without knowledge and acceptance of
the community.
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only one time and it will save much time and effort in the future.
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money to actually do it. We earned 2 million recently, so please spend
some bucks on hiring people to improve the response time to community
requests and to improve development.
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Macedonians
living in Germany, and for future WMMK to help them in doing so.
It would make sense. But at the moment WMDE is not even actively doing
anything for the _native_ languages of Germany except for German. I
think that would be the first step to do.
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our legal position and it would automatically lead to less
anonymous low quality uploads. That's something I would support.
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Interesting. What's the math behind that numbers? Or the source?
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This is a thread that accidentally became off-list due to a wrong
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of the discussion or were easy to find for anybody who cared to look. It
was not lack of information that produced the 50 messages. It's just
that people disagree about the conclusions drawn from the facts.
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moment to overturn that decision.)
I think this is a really obvious example how Jimbo breaks policies and
why large parts of the Commons community are upset.
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Creating a technical solution like that is the task of the foundation.
The _real_ task of the foundation.
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It's sole purpose is to serve the community by doing tasks that cannot
possibly evolve from community self-organization.
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has moved on a bit from the one country, one
religion / set of values / morals.
You are of course right. But what is the alternative? The only
alternative is not basing it on location so everybody sees the same.
That's like one world, one set of values.
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community-driven
encyclopedia project. But it made the race and beat all its competitors
cause no other project was as free and easily accessible as Wikipedia.
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for deletion then the deletion request
will be denied soon. It's just a single person. Everybody can file a
deletion request. You don't need to bother about a single person with
bad judgement. There are other people with better judgement who will
straighten it.
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in contexts that may not be imagined at the moment.
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Teofilo hett schreven:
I discovered this morning poor composition as an argument for
deleting a picture (from someone else, not me). It means that the
picture of the day people
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collecting public data is legal doesn't mean that
aggregating it is legal. And German law is less lax with privacy than
other laws.
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An'n 03.08.2010 18:58, hett Marcus Buck schreven:
An'n 03.08.2010 09:13, hett emijrp schreven:
User contributions are also aggregated and publicly available. User
contributions are aggregated according to their registration and login
status. Data on user contributions, such as the times
putting some resources into it.
What do you think?
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of this roadmap transwiki
template transclusion will go live on the Wikimedia projects?
Additional question: My idea involves calling a local template from
within the transwikied template to do the localisation. Will that be
possible with transwiki template transclusion?
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. When the language approval policy was created in 2006 we had
about 250 wikipedias (that's 50 per year since 2001). Now we have 270
wikipedias. 20 new wikipedias in almost 4 years... (that's 5 per year.)
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lists. I don't
know the reasons why the chapter and cultural lists are internal, I have
not even ever heard about cultural list (what is it?), I assume there is
a reason. If there is no specific reason they should be open and
transparent.
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Gerard, would you be so kind and post a message on your mailing list
informing your co-members about this discussion and inviting them to
join in with their opinions? Would be especially nice to hear from Karen!
Is that okay?
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different.
If external experts indeed personally fear repercussions for their
comments in individual cases I would accept that as a reason to not
archive their comments. But this certainly does not apply to Gerard or
Karen.
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pseudonyms! Even the experts from conflict regions
will be safe with pseudonyms. Better than publishing the names without
the content.
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it is confidential, due to fear of attacks on the expert in question
from aggrieved nationalists. It's not clear how to work around that
one.
Not that tricky. Instead of publishing their name and censoring their
message, they could censor their name and publish the message.
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(mostly personal) issues. Previous emails
will stay as they are, according to the old rules.
Thanks for this change from me too! Thumbs up!
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should work as expected. If anybody knows where in the code the form
blanking happens please report it so it can be fixed.
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understand where exactly you see the influence of bad
bureaucracy playing a role here.
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That would make it much easier for non-English Wikimedians to direct the
interested public to the subtitled video in the respective language.
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to do.
Well, we already have four (or is it five?) Wikipedias for the one
language in the area. We've already dived right in.
Please keep that out of the discussion. These two disputes have nothing
in common except that they are both a result of the disintegration of
Yugoslavia.
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) with HTML5, but I guess that's
a problem of either my browser or YouTube and cannot be fixed on
Wikimedia's side.
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We don't do this if the project is valid, just inactive and can restart
at a later date. But we usually remove projects entirely if they are
closed forever. See tokipona.wikipedia.org or tlh.wikipedia.org.
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Romanian in Cyrillic wiki
at ro-cyrl.wikipedia.org it could easily go live in one day. From a
technical point of view it's not hard.
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writing mailing list posts insulting Cetateanu Moldovanu calling him a
nationalist than would have been necessary to create a solution to the
problem.)
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twice as worse as if the 1% Romanian speakers of Transnistria are unable
to participate.
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access to the full content of ro.wp to the Cyrillic users. Your
solution is ideologically pure, but will be devastating to ro.wp and
damage that wiki severely. Therefore I ask everyone to prevent that the
status quo is kept and to implement a realistic solution.
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that (the language
proposal policy speaks of 5 users as a the minimum to approve a new
Wikipedia edition).
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The language policy allows for one project per project. It does explicitly
not allow for the exclusion of people who use another script.
I demand that you give the exact quote from the policy that defines this.
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is full of this stuff. Nota bene: not full of child abuse,
but full of material of biologically mature, but underage individuals
(amateur porn).
As the amount of consumed non-professionally produced porn grows, the
probability to encounter underage porn approaches 1.
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. That would be a weak response. Any of the above options should be
technically implementable in a single working day and I think it's worth
to spend one working day if that means making Wikipedia available to
177,000 additional people.)
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and combined with the same level of perceived
recognition that upsets the Latin users. And it's even implementable
without action from the Foundation!
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strings. Well, that's all theory as long as there are no active
Transnistrians editors...
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and in one even German. The language 'nds' refers to is
called Low Saxon and I don't think that Low Saxon will be all that
useful for users expecting German subtitles after clicking on German.
How about just using the same labels we use on our interwiki links?
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that you have a look
a Wikia: http://www.wikia.com/Wikia. It allows to create your own
wiki. But you should also check whether the project WikiHow
(http://www.wikihow.com/Main-Page) is close enough to your idea.
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a small fraction of that. It's hardly possible to create similar revenue
as Facebook without additional employees.
Even will all their revenue, Facebook is not yet profitable.
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like that. Okay, pure speculation. But I don't think it's a
good idea to host them. If we want to keep them for the innovative
effects of competition we should keep them organizationally separate
from Wikimedia.
If Wikimedians want to rescue them: donate money to them.
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http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979773872.txt
Nice to see that the quality of posts on the mailing lists was low and
discussions lame and rapidly off-topicking since ... the very first day! ;-)
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bothered to provide a sensible way for
localisation) and not against the guys who actually fixed the
shortcomings. I guess, they would still be willing to settle under the
Wikimedia roof, or am I wrong? (@Gerard Meijssen and the other
Translatewiki guys)
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arguments to the effect that deleting these images has an
upside - a benefit to our mission?
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The upside is, that we won't get sued by copyright holders, I guess.
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extension is developed since 2008.
So it's not the volunteers who lack. Apparently the main problem is get
it applied to the live site.
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dictionary: collect the words in
Wiktionary.
The problems you name are challenges that need to be addressed while
building the project but they are certainly no showstoppers.
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