Tables not FM's strong point? Hmmm, I haven't heard that one before, Nadine.
I've seen a prepress company buying FM only for its powerful table features.
They had to produce travel catalogs of several hundreds of pages full of
tables and pictures and they couldn't get the job done with Quark
*shrug*
Different users have different needs, and FM tables don't meet mine.
As to the OP's op, we shouldn't have to have a multitude of plug-ins for
FM. It should work the way it should work.
Nadine
On 12/02/2010 5:24 AM, Yves Barbion wrote:
Tables not FM's strong point? Hmmm, I haven't
Actually, I'd take the opposite viewpoint.
Because users have different needs, there should be a larger multitude
of plug-ins to accommodate those specializations and unique needs and
ways of working.
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this
As you say, different users have different needs, but that does not mean
the tool is wrong in how it goes about it's work. Frame does work the way it
should, you just don't like or agree with how it defines that.
Word should too, and not reformat documents on a whim or renumber items
Lin Sims put, or puts together another list. You can google for her to
make sure you have the most up-to-date list, but I think a copy of the
current one is at http://www.microtype.com/resources/FM_utilities.pdf
Art
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's
Hello All,
Our documents have the potential of being generic to be used in multiple
manuals. To achieve that, our safety icons are in a common location. The
FM files and associated graphics should always be together. When we move
the folders to another manual, everything should remain relative.
So what tool(s) do you think does a better job with tables than FrameMaker?
I've used a lot of different tools over the years, and I find the FrameMaker
implementation to be the best one I've worked with, and one of the few that
actually handles a table as a self-contained object and not just
Folks, I have no intention of getting into a pissing match with you all. If you
feel that FM tables works well for you and meets your needs, excellent. If you
have the budget to buy a plethora of plug-ins, also excellent.
I don't know anything about your processes, procedures, needs, or
Are the FM files and the images on the same drive/server? If they are
differnet (e.g., FM files local and images on server) then FM has no
choice but to use an absolute path since it's impossible to create a
relative path to another machine.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:57 AM,
I was *not* attempting to get into a pissing contest with you. I am genuinely
curious what tool you have found to be superior at handling tables and why. An
opinion without supporting evidence or experience is not informative. I was
hoping (perhaps naively...) that this thread could be turned
I am genuinely curious what tool you have found to be superior at
handling tables and why.
Same here ... I have not looked much, but, like you, I use FrameMaker 8
and Word 2007 (different purposes) and I definitely prefer FM to Word
for the table handling.
Is there some other product that works
Some particular points that have frustrated me in the past are:
* rows not splitting across pages
* not being able to nest a table within a table without putting the inner table
in an anchored frame
* not being able to rotate a table without putting it in an anchored frame
I know that most of
Hi
Can anyone help how to buy the FrameMaker 7.2 License Version.
Venkan
Newgen Imaging Systems (P) Limited
India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai
(o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282
Email: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20
-Original Message-
Hi all -
We have not been able to install Frame 8 on our Windows Server 2K8 build
machine, but the trial version of 9 does install, and seems to work fine. Has
anyone done this successfully? It's only going to be used by Automap to
generate PDFs and a help file.
We will have to upgrade to
Hi Venkan:
I don't think it can be done. Adobe is on FrameMaker version 9, and they
typically pull all the older versions off the shelves everywhere. Maybe
you can get a second-hand copy on eBay, but I'm only speculating.
Fei Min
-Original Message-
From:
Well, no, FM 8 doesn't support Windows Server 2008 (Note the Server in
the product name -- there is no Windows 2008 operating system), so
far as I know. And in general, Windows Server products are optimized
to work in a server environment and may be lacking some basic
programming bits and pieces
I just want to chime in and say that with TableCleaner, I paid for my
investment in the first hour. I bought it years ago when converting a large
doc from Word to Frame. Lots of tables - did I mention lots of tables? As a
flat rate project, I needed a way to work more efficiently.
TableCleaner
In circumstances where employers expect/demand more productivity from
fewer workers working longer hours and are professionals not on hourly
pay, there's no please, I want some more from you, it's just I want
more or else.
The roll of FrameMaker productivity plug-ins is not endless. Most give
a
Fred Ridder is correct -- do not use geographic cues in technical
documentation, because they are ambiguous (where below?). Per The
Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications (a standard guide
for technical documentation, among others), do not use terms such as
above and below. If the
Hey Rick,
Speaking of automation, I heard a rumor that there's a tool called
FrameScript. Would you know anything about that?
:-)
The sign on the gate says: Last Words Cemetery.
An epitaph on a large headstone reads:
MANUAL SCHMANUAL
I'LL FIGURE IT OUT
Cheers,
Diane (having little
Hello Framers,
FYI, there is a discussion and solution regarding this problem on my blog:
http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/12/unexpected-absolute-path/
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com
*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
-Original
I normally lurk, but in this case I wanted to put my two cents' worth in. I
bought TableCleaner back in April 2003 and was so impressed, three weeks
later I bought licenses for the rest of my department. I use lots of
plugins, but Table Cleaner and Rick's Import Format Special and Find Special
are
I have integrated several projects using FM8 as source and added by
reference to RH7.
In the source, we insert tables using formats that automatically include a
graphic and generated text. For example, One cell contains a graphic, the
next cell contains the word Note, which is generated because
It is possible, yes. Look on the Adobe Frame Form; if you can't find
it let me know and I'll send you details.
Basically what you do is get a volume license. You will need a Frame
7.2 CD and Adobe can give you the license number. I have not done it
myself.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Fei
See this thread on the Adobe Frame forum:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/572441?tstart=0
snip
After hearing of similar issues for documentation service providers
and discussions with representatives of Adobe Germany the following
solution was found: You have to buy the current version of
I'm working on an unstructured Frame book, getting it structured via the
Conversion Table method (Frame 9) using a custom EDD.
I have a hideously embarrassingly easy question to ask.
At least I think so?
What is the best way to map a single paragraph style (for example, heading_2)
to
Hi Eric,
You can't do this with the conversion table method. I would pre-process the
file and retag you heading_2 paragraphs, based on their content. Then you
can modify your conversion table to use the renamed heading_2 tags. Follow
these basic steps:
1) Click in one of the heading_2
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700, Fei Min Lorente
feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote:
Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the
At 19:54 -0800 10/2/10, Joe Malin wrote:
>After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) again for
>a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents,
>I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all the
>utilities I once used
Tables not FM's strong point? Hmmm, I haven't heard that one before, Nadine.
I've seen a prepress company buying FM only for its powerful table features.
They had to produce travel catalogs of several hundreds of pages full of
tables and pictures and they couldn't get the job done with Quark
*shrug*
Different users have different needs, and FM tables don't meet mine.
As to the OP's op, we shouldn't have to have a multitude of plug-ins for
FM. It should work the way it should work.
Nadine
On 12/02/2010 5:24 AM, Yves Barbion wrote:
> Tables not FM's strong point? Hmmm, I haven't
Actually, I'd take the opposite viewpoint.
Because users have different needs, there should be a larger multitude
of plug-ins to accommodate those specializations and unique needs and
ways of working.
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in
As you say, different users have different needs, but that does not mean
the tool is wrong in how it goes about it's work.? Frame does work the way it
should, you just don't like or agree with how it defines that.
Word should too, and not reformat documents on a whim or renumber items
Lin Sims put, or puts together another list. You can google for her to
make sure you have the most up-to-date list, but I think a copy of the
current one is at http://www.microtype.com/resources/FM_utilities.pdf
Art
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion,
Hello All,
Our documents have the potential of being generic to be used in multiple
manuals. To achieve that, our safety icons are in a common location. The
FM files and associated graphics should always be together. When we move
the folders to another manual, everything should remain relative.
So what tool(s) do you think does a better job with tables than FrameMaker?
I've used a lot of different tools over the years, and I find the FrameMaker
implementation to be the best one I've worked with, and one of the few that
actually handles a table as a self-contained object and not just
Folks, I have no intention of getting into a pissing match with you all. If you
feel that FM tables works well for you and meets your needs, excellent. If you
have the budget to buy a plethora of plug-ins, also excellent.
I don't know anything about your processes, procedures, needs, or
Are the FM files and the images on the same drive/server? If they are
differnet (e.g., FM files local and images on server) then FM has no
choice but to use an absolute path since it's impossible to create a
relative path to another machine.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:57 AM, wrote:
> Hello All,
I was *not* attempting to get into a pissing contest with you. I am genuinely
curious what tool you have found to be superior at handling tables and why. An
opinion without supporting evidence or experience is not informative. I was
hoping (perhaps naively...) that this thread could be turned
> I am genuinely curious what tool you have found to be superior at
handling tables and why.
Same here ... I have not looked much, but, like you, I use FrameMaker 8
and Word 2007 (different purposes) and I definitely prefer FM to Word
for the table handling.
Is there some other product that
Some particular points that have frustrated me in the past are:
* rows not splitting across pages
* not being able to nest a table within a table without putting the inner table
in an anchored frame
* not being able to rotate a table without putting it in an anchored frame
I know that most of
Hi
Can anyone help how to buy the FrameMaker 7.2 License Version.
Venkan
Newgen Imaging Systems (P) Limited
India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai
(o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282
Email: venkatesh.s at newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20
-Original Message-
From:
Hi all -
We have not been able to install Frame 8 on our Windows Server 2K8 build
machine, but the trial version of 9 does install, and seems to work fine. Has
anyone done this successfully? It's only going to be used by Automap to
generate PDFs and a help file.
We will have to upgrade to
Hi Venkan:
I don't think it can be done. Adobe is on FrameMaker version 9, and they
typically pull all the older versions off the shelves everywhere. Maybe
you can get a second-hand copy on eBay, but I'm only speculating.
Fei Min
-Original Message-
From:
Well, no, FM 8 doesn't support Windows Server 2008 (Note the Server in
the product name -- there is no "Windows 2008" operating system), so
far as I know. And in general, Windows Server products are optimized
to work in a server environment and may be lacking some basic
programming bits and pieces
Hi Nadine,
I have been watching this thread with interest, since I am the author of the
TableCleaner plugin that others recommended. I will be honest and say that I
developed TableCleaner, not in the spirit of open source, but because I
wanted to solve the problems associated with working with
I just want to chime in and say that with TableCleaner, I paid for my
investment in the first hour. I bought it years ago when converting a large
doc from Word to Frame. Lots of tables - did I mention lots of tables? As a
flat rate project, I needed a way to work more efficiently.
TableCleaner
In circumstances where employers expect/demand more productivity from
fewer workers working longer hours and are professionals not on hourly
pay, there's no "please, I want some more from you," it's just "I want
more or else."
The roll of FrameMaker productivity plug-ins is not endless. Most give
Fred Ridder is correct -- do not use geographic cues in technical
documentation, because they are ambiguous (where below?). Per "The
Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications" (a standard guide
for technical documentation, among others), do not use terms such as
"above" and "below". If
Hey Rick,
Speaking of automation, I heard a rumor that there's a tool called
FrameScript. Would you know anything about that?
:-)
The sign on the gate says: Last Words Cemetery.
An epitaph on a large headstone reads:
MANUAL SCHMANUAL
I'LL FIGURE IT OUT
Cheers,
Diane (having little
Hello Framers,
FYI, there is a discussion and solution regarding this problem on my blog:
http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/12/unexpected-absolute-path/
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
It is possible, yes. Look on the Adobe Frame Form; if you can't find
it let me know and I'll send you details.
Basically what you do is get a volume license. You will need a Frame
7.2 CD and Adobe can give you the license number. I have not done it
myself.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Fei
I normally lurk, but in this case I wanted to put my two cents' worth in. I
bought TableCleaner back in April 2003 and was so impressed, three weeks
later I bought licenses for the rest of my department. I use lots of
plugins, but Table Cleaner and Rick's Import Format Special and Find Special
are
I have integrated several projects using FM8 as source and added by
reference to RH7.
In the source, we insert tables using formats that automatically include a
graphic and generated text. For example, One cell contains a graphic, the
next cell contains the word Note, which is generated because
See this thread on the Adobe Frame forum:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/572441?tstart=0
After hearing of similar issues for documentation service providers
and discussions with representatives of Adobe Germany the following
solution was found: You have to buy the current version of FrameMaker
I'm working on an unstructured Frame book, getting it structured via the
Conversion Table method (Frame 9) using a custom EDD.
I have a hideously embarrassingly easy question to ask.
At least I think so?
What is the best way to map a single paragraph style (for example, heading_2)
to
Hi Eric,
You can't do this with the conversion table method. I would pre-process the
file and retag you heading_2 paragraphs, based on their content. Then you
can modify your conversion table to use the renamed heading_2 tags. Follow
these basic steps:
1) Click in one of the heading_2
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700, "Fei Min Lorente"
wrote:
>Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
>reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
>having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the
>software to produce an
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
> Griffith
>
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700, "Fei Min Lorente"
> wrote:
>
> >Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing
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