To the contrary, I think pretty much everyone is trying to move off
legacy mainframe systems. It's a booming business.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=migrate+cobol+to+the+cloud
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 9:55 AM Lin Sims wrote:
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> Because they still work, they're reliable, an
Because they still work, they're reliable, and at this point they're pretty
much unhackable. Plus, the cost of transferring all that data and creating
programs in modern languages is incalculable. No one wants to make the
investment.
--
Lin Sims
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In related news:
"Literally, we have systems that are 40-plus-years-old," New Jersey Gov.
> Murphy said over the weekend. "There'll be lots of postmortems and one of
> them on our list will be how did we get here where we literally needed
> COBOL programmers?"
>
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/bus
Reading all this nostalgia makes ME feel young again. And I was at the
Apollo 11 launch.
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Interleaf was eventually acquired by Broadleaf, which renamed it
Quicksilver, which still exists.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:33 AM Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote:
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> My nostalgia goes further back!
>
> As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical
> publishing tool called Interleaf
Dang autocorrect. Should have been "first-hand" not "first-have."
Ok, I won't start your feet moving down that path. ;)
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM Jerilynne Knight
wrote:
> Oh lordy Peter, don't even get me started on that topic!!! lol
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:01 PM Peter Gold
> wr
Oh lordy Peter, don't even get me started on that topic!!! lol
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:01 PM Peter Gold
wrote:
> Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of us
> have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?"
>
>
>
Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of us
have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?"
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 1:41 PM Mark Soiseth wrote:
> I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It
> allowed me to shoot myself in the
Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem environment! And I remember that
DOS-based machine...had one of them!
J
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mark Soiseth wrote:
> I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It
> allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, o
I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It
allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned how
to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based machines
with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM.
But, yes, Corel did not do it justice
Hi Bjorn...I didn't follow Ventura that far into present time, although I
loved it when I learned it a Xerox. Once Corel took it over, I though I was
the only one who was both disappointed and disgusted with the poor job they
were doing!
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:00 PM Studio Smalbro wrote:
>
Wowser Robert, talk about a background! Which makes me laugh at a recent
comment by a young man of 34 when I said something about technology in the
late 70s and early 80s. The comment: "They had technology back then?" This
story definitely proves that yes, grasshopper, they did!
Ouch, lol!
On Mo
early 90s, I was able to move to an early version of FM
> > for large document sets. What a joy it was then!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers >
> > On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
> > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 6:56 AM
> > To: An
I followed Ventura all the way from the early versions on floppy disks
to the latest Corel Version 10. And some trip that was. Corel took a
great piece of software and made one exceptional poor and unstable
version after another and for each version loosing even more users. And
then... finally
In the late 70s and 80s I made my living typing, mostly at law firms,
so I saw the whole evolution firsthand. When I started it was
typewriters with carbon paper and Wite-Out. Then came IBM Correcting
Selectric ball typewriters and Xerox machines, then IBM Mag Card or
occasionally the MT/ST tape ve
ment sets. What a joy it was then!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 6:56 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Nos
I remember at least a part of those days! My first training course in '84
was to help executive assistants (they were called secretaries back then)
convert from typewriters to a standalone word processing unit from DEC
(with 2 8" floppies...one for the system
files and one for the data files). I do
sion of FM for
large document sets. What a joy it was then!
-Original Message-
From: Framers On
Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 6:56 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
Hey ther
Hey there Peter, I totally forgot about WordStar! I'm still a keyboard
shortcuts person and grumble heartily when they're not available. I can do
things so much more quickly with the keyboard!
J
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:11 PM Peter Gold
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 7:31 PM Rob
Hey there Lin...right there widya Numbering, after all these years,
still sucks!
J
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lin Sims wrote:
> Word still pretty much sucks. It's more stable than it used to be, but
> things like numbering still require very strictly controlled styles or some
> fac
Word still pretty much sucks. It's more stable than it used to be, but
things like numbering still require very strictly controlled styles or some
facility with VB. I've encountered people who can get it to do a lot of
what Frame does, but, again, they use a lot of VB macros to do what Frame
does o
What a great history of FM...I started out on Ventura Publisher, while
working for Xerox, who had purchased the software and didn't know squiddly
squat about it so, as someone who had gone NUTZ trying to find some way to
do process doc and software manuals without going postal, I set out to
learn i
Klaus is fairly active on the Adobe forums, and still working on useful
scripts, too.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:05 PM Peter Gold
wrote:
> Just when I've been wondering if I’m really as old as I look, or only as
> old as I've always thought I was (meaning 20-something), in jumps Frank
> Stearns! L
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 7:31 PM Robert Lauriston
wrote:
> I used FullWrite on an SE/30 in the late 80s. I think it was my
> preferred word processor for a while.
>
WordStar's Ctrl-key "diamond" s, d, e, and x, for cursor movement, and many
text operations, are still burnt into my synapses, only s
Tags may exist as nouns in the manual, but for him it seemed the verb 'tagging'
was XML related only.
Did I say manual? I meant help pages. Another slip.
Craig
Robert Lauriston said:
I'm not sure how nostalgia figures into that. What most programs call
paragraph
I used FullWrite on an SE/30 in the late 80s. I think it was my
preferred word processor for a while.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:05 PM Peter Gold wrote:
>
> ... As to nostalgia for lost technologies, Ashton-Tate bought Mac-based
> FullWrite Professional, probably one of the only real competitors to
Just when I've been wondering if I’m really as old as I look, or only as
old as I've always thought I was (meaning 20-something), in jumps Frank
Stearns! Like Lin Sims, Lynne Price, et. al. You're one of the early-on
posters I remember saving lives - mine and those of others - back in the
days of c
I'm not sure how nostalgia figures into that. What most programs call
paragraph styles and character styles, unstructured FrameMaker calls
paragraph tags and character tags.
https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/frm_page_layout_pl-styles.html
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020, Craig Ede wrote:
Nostalgia can cause trouble. I recently was in an interview with a
True, to some degree.
On the other hand, I've noted some annoying shifts in some language
"pools" such that "process" becomes more important than "results".
This seems to be especially tr
Nostalgia can cause trouble. I recently was in an interview with a
multinational Health Care company in the Milwaukee/Waukesha area and referred
to 'tagging' paragraphs in unstructured FrameMaker. The interviewer was
nonplussed and corrected me, saying unstructured FrameMaker was not like XML.
Thanks for this insight.
Bodvar
fim., 2. apr. 2020 kl. 17:09 skrifaði Frank Stearns :
> In 1990 or so I'd just completed migrating some 6000 pages of DEC RNO
> (with pieces of UNIX Troff tossed in) over to LaTeX for my primary
> client of the day (Aptec Systems, a Floating Point Systems spin-
In 1990 or so I'd just completed migrating some 6000 pages of DEC RNO
(with pieces of UNIX Troff tossed in) over to LaTeX for my primary
client of the day (Aptec Systems, a Floating Point Systems spin-off
who made high-speed I/O computers. We're talking large fractions of a
million dollars syst
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