You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting,
most of them pertaining to text. If you have exhibits such as
illustrations and tables, you can also adjust the spacing above and
below the frames that hold them, and around the objects in them.
This is what we do, we still space from Peter, give it to Paul.
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Apr 22, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Jim Owens wrote:
You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting,
most of them
-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
I'm working on a book for a commercial
Of Hedley Finger
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:07 PM
To: Framers Self-Support
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
Linda:
Steve Rickaby quoted:
I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've
done
basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
paragraph
Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
Steve,
Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative
tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot
Negative tracking?
Thanks!
I can field this one, with some extra suggestions.
In the Paragraph and Character Designers, you
At 08:55 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb
questions follow.
Not at all dumb...
Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back
Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems
tuning pagination
At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
At 10:41 -0500 22/4/08, Peter Gold wrote:
I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and
dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar
resources before committing to an overall solution.
Good advice indeed.
I had assumed that Linda was
expensive, but we calculated that it paid for itself in a
few jobs. Manually laying out the pages for higher page counts is extremely
difficult to do.
Hope this helps!
Terri
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Fine tuning pagination
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter
Gold
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:41 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: Steve Rickaby; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
Hi, Linda:
You didn't say if the major problem you're facing is reducing content
to fit the space available, extending
At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
>16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
>
>I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
>basic pagination control
Linda:
Steve Rickaby quoted:
>> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
>> >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
>> >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>> >
>> >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on
You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting,
most of them pertaining to text. If you have exhibits such as
illustrations and tables, you can also adjust the spacing above and
below the frames that hold them, and around the objects in them.
This is what we do, we still space from Peter, give it to Paul.
Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com
On Apr 22, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Jim Owens wrote:
> You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting,
> most of
and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
At 15:41 -0600
to:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:07 PM
To: Framers Self-Support
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
Linda:
Steve Rickaby quoted:
>> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've
done
>> >
Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> Steve,
> tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot>
>
> Negative tracking?
>
> Thanks!
I can field this one, with some extra suggestions.
In the Paragraph and Character Designers, you can use Spread to alter
the spacing between letters, and
At 08:55 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb
>questions follow.
Not at all dumb...
>
>
>Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems
>like that will look odd if pages have different size
isher templates
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM
> To: Linda G. Gallagher
> Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: R
At 10:41 -0500 22/4/08, Peter Gold wrote:
>I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and
>dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar
>resources before committing to an overall solution.
Good advice indeed.
I had assumed that Linda
...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Gold
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:41 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
Hi, Linda:
You didn't say if the major problem you're facing is reducing content
to fit the space available
Linda,
As you probably guessed by now, it's easier to add space than take it away
without making a mess for the next revision. So I find it easier to go
long, which may mean extra pages and more white space (the price of
print). When tweaking styles, I always start with the larger text and work
At 13:32 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>Continuing with my ignorance showing, the book is the third edition, all
>created with the same templates I designed a year or so ago. I just learned
>about the 16-page signatures last week. Previous editions were printed with
>a different
, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
-Original Message-
From: Scott White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
To: Framers
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
We always add note pages
Hi, Linda:
Shrinking to fit is usually more difficult than expanding to fit.
While it's easy to tweak away with paragraph-, character-, and
word-spacing properties to squeeze things in, it's also easy to create
magnificently-ugliness.
You can get some good advice from folks on typography forums
At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
basic pagination control with my
Linda:
Steve Rickaby quoted:
I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine
Framers,
I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
We always add note pages to the end of the pages to have them come out
in 16- or 32-page signatures.
This is going to be a "hands-on" process I think to make things fit
and add pages where necessary and tighten pages where necessary.
That is how we do it.
Scott White
Media Production Manager
ser guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
-Original Message-
From: Scott White [mailto:swh...@alamark.com]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
To: Framers
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination
We alway
Hi, Linda:
Shrinking to fit is usually more difficult than expanding to fit.
While it's easy to tweak away with paragraph-, character-, and
word-spacing properties to squeeze things in, it's also easy to create
magnificently-ugliness.
You can get some good advice from folks on typography forums
expensive, but we calculated that it paid for itself in a
few jobs. Manually laying out the pages for higher page counts is extremely
difficult to do.
Hope this helps!
Terri
> From: lindag at techcomplus.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Fine tuning pagination
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