ADMIN Announcing Framers on Mailman!

[Lisa Bronson]

Hi Hedley,

The archives that will be ready in a week or two are not the Mailman
archives, but a custom solution being put together by one of my
technical people. These archives will be searchable. I will let you
know when they are ready.

Warm regards,
Lisa B.


On 11/21/05, hedley.finger at myob.com  wrote:
> Lisa:
>
> "How will this affect you?"  Good question; it will probably drive me
> nuts.  All the mailman lists I have seen look more or less like <
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/>.
>
> Yes, folks, the archives are grouped by month.  No way to see a continuous
> scrolling list of articles by date or thread or subject, ACROSS month
> boundaries.  No way to search the archives.
>
> Sure hope the frameusers list is going to be a lot more usable than the
> example I've given, typical of all the mailman lists I have seen.  It
> would be fascinating to hear what Jakob Nielsen or Alan Cooper would have
> to say about the usability of mailman.  Oh well, guess we can all go to
> Yahoo! Groups which has had a lot of thought put into its interface.
>
> Regards,
> Hedley
>
> --
> Hedley Finger
> Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
> MYOB Australia 
> P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
> 12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
> 
> Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558
>
> (c) MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2005
>

ADMIN Announcing Framers on Mailman!

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Lisa:

"How will this affect you?"  Good question; it will probably drive me 
nuts.  All the mailman lists I have seen look more or less like <
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/>.

Yes, folks, the archives are grouped by month.  No way to see a continuous 
scrolling list of articles by date or thread or subject, ACROSS month 
boundaries.  No way to search the archives.

Sure hope the frameusers list is going to be a lot more usable than the 
example I've given, typical of all the mailman lists I have seen.  It 
would be fascinating to hear what Jakob Nielsen or Alan Cooper would have 
to say about the usability of mailman.  Oh well, guess we can all go to 
Yahoo! Groups which has had a lot of thought put into its interface.

Regards,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2005

Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2

[Lisa Bronson]

Hi Ellen,

The wording of the form is unfortunate (I will see if I can do
something about it), but if you read the whole sentence that starts
with "To unsubscribe..." you'll see that it's where you want to log
in.

Enjoy the holiday,
Lisa B.

On 11/21/05, Ellen Lebelle  wrote:
> Hi Lisa,
>
> << If in the future, you want to change your email address, switch from
> regular mail to digest, stop your mail when you go on vacation, or
> change any of your other options, you can do so here:
> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers .
>
> Hmm, I clicked on the link, and I could subscribe (unnecessay as I am
> already a subscriber), but the next form was for administrators. I did not
> see where I could suspend mail for a vacation. I'd like to do that for
> Thanksgiving break.
>
> Elleb Lebelle
> KDS
> Le Plessis-Robinson, France
>
>

Adding insult to injustice

[carpe...@genco.com]

I feel your pain, Bill, although I am not a Mac user.  I don't want to
learn a new tool and convert my documents.  So I will use Frame until it is
absolutely impossible to continue (hopefully, after I retire), despite
whether Adobe still supports it, as long as my OS can still run it.

Still, the only effects I can envision, should FrameMaker die, are that we
will get no more enhancements/upgrades and replacement CDs, this discussion
group might disappear so we would get no more advice, and I would be forced
to move to XML, a move that my brain has not yet been able to accomplish.
I won't bother to buy another high-end package unless I can't find another
writer who can use XML when I retire.

So keep your CDs safe and print out all the FrameUsers advice that you need
to keep.  And have a happy holiday season.  I intend to overeat for a month
and think about it later.  : )

Nancy Carpenter
Lead Technical Writer
GENCO Distribution System
100 Papercraft Park
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238



  "Combs, Richard"  

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  11/17/2005 11:09 AM   

  Please respond to "Combs, 

  Richard"  







Bill Swallow wrote:

> I'm having a hard time understanding why so many folks are
> becoming so emotional over Adobe as of late. I mean, yes,
> they make a tool I use, but it's only one of 14 tools I use
> regularly. If Adobe or any of the other vendors decides to
> kill a product or change direction, I'm certainly not going
> to take it personally... Am I missing some kind of symbiotic
> life-bond with FrameMaker or something???
>
> The message you copied indicated leading software brands... I
> would assume that a relatively unchallenged niche tool
> wouldn't be a good representation of a brand leader, but
> there I go being pesimistic again. ;-)

No, Bill, you're just being objective, rational, and realistic. In other
words, you're not a Mac user.

(Grinning, ducking, running)

Richard


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Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2

[hpea...@schange.com]

Hi John,

If you create a List of References, that will give you the file names of 
all your imported graphics, in order.  Maybe that would help?

In Frame 6 (I don't have 7), this is Special > List of > References...

In Set up dialog, select Imported Graphics.

Herv
L. tulipifera inc.
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:28:25 -0500
From: "John Sgammato" <jsgamm...@imprivata.com>
Subject: Freeze Frame when selecting Object Properties
To: "Framers List" 
Message-ID:
 <8E0B2788ADE5A14195D29CF5C43E81A301F80D at mamail01.IMPRIVATA.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

When I select Object Properties on a referenced image on my home PC, 
FrameMaker freezes. 

I am using FrameMaker 7.1.116, pretty plain vanilla version except it has 
IXGen. It is set to Structured, but I am not actually using any structure 
tools or methods. 

This is the same book that I work on at my office in Lexington with no 
problems at all. That machine has Schlomo's timesavers on it, and it too 
has IXGen. 

This has happened at home for about three weeks or four weeks. I don't 
know of any significant changes in that time. 

I am trying to rebrand a finished book with all new screenshots. I have 
done this a hundred times and it is easy - look at the image to be 
replaced, get a new screenshot and save it as the same name, and continue. 
But to do it I need to know the name of the image I am replacing, and i do 
that by getting the Object Properties. I know there are other ways, but 
this way is very fast and efficientuntil now!

Any ideas? 



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Adding insult to injustice

[Bill Swallow]

> I feel your pain, Bill, although I am not a Mac user.  I don't want to
> learn a new tool and convert my documents.  So I will use Frame until it is
> absolutely impossible to continue (hopefully, after I retire), despite
> whether Adobe still supports it, as long as my OS can still run it.

Oh, no pain here (though my arm may be stiff later from the flu shot I
just got...)

I'll use FM for as long as it's necessary for me to do so. We're
moving to structured authoring (still doing some unstructured work)
and will hopefully be moving to XML i/o in the future. Once that
happens, FM is just a spiffy content editor, like Epic and the like.
My goal is to be tool independent... I think it'd be very cool to
allow writers to use whatever tool they feel most comfortable with
provided that it works with XML and sticks to the schema. :-)

> Still, the only effects I can envision, should FrameMaker die, are that we
> will get no more enhancements/upgrades and replacement CDs, this discussion
> group might disappear so we would get no more advice, and I would be forced
> to move to XML, a move that my brain has not yet been able to accomplish.
> I won't bother to buy another high-end package unless I can't find another
> writer who can use XML when I retire.

XML seems intimidating but it's actually quite logical. If you can
nail down use of unstructured FM templates, you can nail down XML. As
for user groups and lists, I suspect they'll be around for some time
to come, and should they go dodo, build your list of contacts now so
you're prepared. :-)

> So keep your CDs safe and print out all the FrameUsers advice that you need
> to keep.  And have a happy holiday season.  I intend to overeat for a month
> and think about it later.  : )

LOL! Many of my friends think I'm insane, but my diet starts on Black
Friday. :-)

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
42.8162,-73.7736
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

ADMIN Announcing Framers on Mailman!

[Carol J. Elkins]

Lisa, I host a Mailman group as well and have had no problems with it. 
However, I believe that users require a password in order to adjust their 
settings. Since we were rolled over into the Mailman list, do you have any 
idea how we will obtain a password?

Carol
*
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Making Information Understandable
Phone: 719-948-3773
mailto:celkins at awrittenword.com
http://www.awrittenword.com
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LavaCon 2006 Dates, Location, Call for Speakers

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Freeze Frame when selecting Object Properties

[Stuart Rogers]

John Sgammato wrote:
> When I select Object Properties on a referenced image on my home PC,
> FrameMaker freezes.
> 
...
> 
> I am trying to rebrand a finished book with all new screenshots. I
> have done this a hundred times and it is easy - look at the image to
> be replaced, get a new screenshot and save it as the same name, and
> continue. But to do it I need to know the name of the image I am
> replacing, and i do that by getting the Object Properties. I know
> there are other ways, but this way is very fast and
> efficientuntil now!
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

No idea why your PC freezes (other than that it's running Windoze...;), 
but an alternate solution for your immediate task would be to create a 
Special > List of > Imported graphics and work from that to get your 
screenshot names and their corresponding pages.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com

Q: Did you hear the one about the statistician?
A: Probably...

Get Firefox!
http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5

ADMIN Announcing Framers on Mailman!

[Lisa M. Bronson]

Hi Carol,

Thanks for writing. Here are some instructions for getting your password.

If you had a password before, it has been changed. You may request it
in two different ways:

* Send an email to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com. Leave the
subject line blank and put password on the first line of the body of
the message.

* Visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers. Near the
bottom of the page is a field with a Unsubscribe or Edit Options
button. Enter your email address and click the button. On the next
page, click the Email My Password To Me button. Using the password you
receive, log in, and if you wish, change your password to something
you can easily remember.

If you have any other questions or difficulty with these instructions,
please let me know.

Warm regards,

Lisa B.
FrameUsers Administrator


On 11/21/05, Carol J. Elkins  wrote:
> Lisa, I host a Mailman group as well and have had no problems with it.
> However, I believe that users require a password in order to adjust their
> settings. Since we were rolled over into the Mailman list, do you have any
> idea how we will obtain a password?
>
> Carol
> *
> Carol J. ElkinsA Written Word
> Making Information Understandable
> Phone: 719-948-3773
> mailto:celkins at awrittenword.com
> http://www.awrittenword.com
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TP for FM?

[Karen L. Zorn]

Let's say someone created a FrameMaker edition of
Trivial Pursuit. What knowledge categories would you
expect it to have?

Master pages
Reference pages
Tables
Paragraph and character formats


Karen L. Zorn



--Milan

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TP for FM?

[Martha J Davidson]

I'd also add:
* best practices (like no overrides and importing by reference)
* single-sourcing (variables, conditional text, output formats)
* structure (which I don't use yet, so no specific ideas)

I like the idea of categories related to using the tool
in general, in addition to ones like Karen's that relate
to particular aspects of template use and creation.

martha

At 02:29 PM 11/21/2005, Karen L. Zorn wrote:
>>Let's say someone created a FrameMaker edition of
>>Trivial Pursuit. What knowledge categories would you
>>expect it to have?
>
>Master pages
>Reference pages
>Tables
>Paragraph and character formats

--
Martha Jane {Kolman | Davidson}
Dances With Words
editrix at nemasys.com

"Too many words bring about exhaustion."
  --Tao Te Ching, Chapter 5 (translated by Sheets/Tovey)

Creating a Service Mark (SM)?

[Lynne A. Price]

At 02:34 PM 11/21/2005, Gorelick, Paula wrote:
>Does anyone know if there's a way to create the service mark character 
>(the superscript "SM")? I know how to make copyright, registration, and 
>trademarks symbols, but the service mark doesn't seem to appear in the 
>Character Sets online manual (that I can find).

Paula,
   Just create a superscript with those two characters. If you want to 
export them to XML as an entity reference, put them in a variable.
 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 
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Creating a Service Mark (SM)?

[Joe Malin]

I have just used SM as a superscript. I have never seen a single glyph
for it in any character set.

Joe


TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com <http://www.tuvox.com/>   
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.





From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Gorelick, Paula
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Creating a Service Mark (SM)?



Hi, 

Does anyone know if there's a way to create the service mark
character (the superscript "SM")? I know how to make copyright,
registration, and trademarks symbols, but the service mark doesn't seem
to appear in the Character Sets online manual (that I can find).

Thanks, 

Paula Gorelick 

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TP for FM?

[Peter Gold]

>Let's say someone created a FrameMaker edition of
>Trivial Pursuit. What knowledge categories would you
>expect it to have?

* Menu items through the ages, added, moved, dropped
* Keystroke shortcuts for common tasks that you never see asked about 
or discussed, but which exist, such as delete to end of line, 
beginning of line, etc.
* Bugs and wish-list items that have been around the longest time 
without being resolved
* Features added in which release
* Documented commands whose documentation is dropped, but which still 
exist (Freeze Pagination, Open Heroic, PostScript code text frames, 
Split Text Frames, etc.)
* unix command line commands
* Names of all formerly-supported unix platforms and windowing systems
* Features supported on some platforms but not others (screen capture 
and macros on unix, etc.)
-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
peter at knowhowpro.com

Creating a Service Mark (SM)?

[Ann Zdunczyk]

SM has not been in any font that I have seen. I use SM and then superscript
it.

Z

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(336)922-1271
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From: framers-bounces+azdunczyk=triad.rr@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+azdunczyk=triad.rr.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Gorelick, Paula
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Creating a Service Mark (SM)?



Hi, 

Does anyone know if there's a way to create the service mark character (the
superscript "SM")? I know how to make copyright, registration, and
trademarks symbols, but the service mark doesn't seem to appear in the
Character Sets online manual (that I can find).

Thanks, 

Paula Gorelick 

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TP for FM?

[Jefro]

I have to say, what really springs to mind is "Frame-opoly", maybe for 
the number of times I personally would end up in jail.