FrameMaker to InDesign

[Ann Zdunczyk]

 
Hi All,
 
I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.
 
Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.
 
Any help would be great.
 
Thanks
Z
 

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Re: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Ann,

Here are some ideas, depending on the nature of the FrameMaker documents.

* Save FM to RTF or Word and import the text into InDesign.

* For structured FrameMaker, export to XML and import XML into InDesign.

* Build a script to export FrameMaker paragraphs, tables, etc, wrapping them 
in Adobe InDesign Tagged Text. Then open the tagged text file in InDesign to 
get fully-formatted text. This would work well for simple, consistently 
formatted FrameMaker documents.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



Hi All,

I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.

Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.

Any help would be great.

Thanks
Z


**
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President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336) 922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com http://www.a2z-pub.com/
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Re: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ann:

Rick's made some good points. If you search Google, frameusers.com 
archives, FrameMaker and InDesign U2U forums at Adobe.com, for 
phrases like your subject line, you'll find lots of postings on what 
to expect when migrating. There are many FrameMaker features that 
aren't implemented yet in InDesign, or aren't implemented as 
thoroughly. Also search Google for indesigntalk, dedicated to, umm, 
InDesign Talk!


Keep in mind that InDesign is fundamentally a layout program, which 
traditionally expects the content it's given to be complete, or 
nearly complete. Continuous authoring and editing is more 
FrameMaker's strength, especially for x-refs, and complex numbering 
that change frequently up to the final editing pass before handing 
off for reproduction or distribution.


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

At 12:02 PM -0400 6/5/06, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:


Hi All,

I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.

Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.

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FW: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Ann Zdunczyk]

LOL you guys are speaking to the Choir I have been a LONG time
FrameMaker user. Some of you have seen me at the FrameMaker Users
Conferences and also the FrameMaker 2005 Chautauqua. 

I explained to this customer that converting WAS NOT going to be just open
the files and go.

Since they are using InDesign CS2 they do have more capabilities than they
had previously.

If it was up to me I would tell them don't do it, but if it is like a lot of
companies the people making the decision are not the ones that are going to
have to DO IT!

Thanks for all the info.

Z


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RE: Organization Charts

[Beck, Charles]

Hi Eduardo,

I don't know if anyone else replied to your query offline, but I haven't
seen any replies to the list, so I thought I'd just toss in my bit:

I don't know of any Adobe-native tools that do what you want to do. But
then, I am not familiar with the entire Adobe CS family either, so I
could easily miss something. 

If I were you, however, I would use Visio and import it into Frame.
Visio docs import very nicely into Frame, in my experience. 

FWIW, which may not be a whole heckuva lot... Anyone, please feel free
to correct me!

Chuck
 

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Behalf Of Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr.
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:54 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Organization Charts

Good evening from the USA

As we fast approach yet another World Cup (my pick is the USA,
naturally), I wanted to do a personal project involving Organization
Charts in FrameMaker to outline the teams leading up to who will be the
eventual winner (okay, it's a test to see if I can pull this off).

Amazingly, I can't seem to find a software tool native to FrameMaker
that creats these types of charts.  Looked in quite a few spots but it's
getting late (near midnight) and I'm a bit tired.

Can anyone point me in a good direction.  I have MS Org Chart on my
system but would rather stay within the Adobe line (consistency).

Thanks and regards to all.

Go USA!

Eduardo


Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr.

Heroes:  Ordinary people...doing extraordinary things...in
extraordinary times.

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RE: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Morgan Morrissette]

Hi all:

A second option might be to save your files as MIF which can be used by many 
software programs.  I also have a customer who needed to open FM files in a 
different program and this process worked quite well for him.

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-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 5, 2006 11:20 AM
To: Ann Zdunczyk; Framers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FrameMaker to InDesign


Hi Ann,

Here are some ideas, depending on the nature of the FrameMaker documents.

* Save FM to RTF or Word and import the text into InDesign.

* For structured FrameMaker, export to XML and import XML into InDesign.

* Build a script to export FrameMaker paragraphs, tables, etc, wrapping them 
in Adobe InDesign Tagged Text. Then open the tagged text file in InDesign to 
get fully-formatted text. This would work well for simple, consistently 
formatted FrameMaker documents.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


 Hi All,

 I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
 FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.

 Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.

 Any help would be great.

 Thanks
 Z


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 Phone: (336)922-1271
 Fax:   (336) 922-4980
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 http://www.a2z-pub.com http://www.a2z-pub.com/
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Adding another heading to the TOC

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi

Frame 7.1p116, WinXP

I've gotten myself confused, so I need some help.

I have a TOC with only 3 headings.

I added a Heading 4 to the other files in the .book. Now I need that
to show up in the TOC.

What I have done:
* Added a Heading 4TOC (to match the other 3 levels) in the
Paragraph designer for the TOC.
* Added the layout info to the Reference page.
* Updated the PDF info for the document to say take 4 headings.

I have only done this once before, and that was to a legacy doc with
all sorts of garbage floating about. My memory fails me. This is a
clean template and I don't want to mess things up. I did not create
the TOC layout.

Thanks in advance.

regards, Karen Mardahl
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RE: Adding another heading to the TOC

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Karen,

Did you right-click the TOC file and add the new Heading4 to the TOC setup?

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Subject: Adding another heading to the TOC


Hi

Frame 7.1p116, WinXP

I've gotten myself confused, so I need some help.

I have a TOC with only 3 headings.

I added a Heading 4 to the other files in the .book. Now I need that
to show up in the TOC.

What I have done:
* Added a Heading 4TOC (to match the other 3 levels) in the
Paragraph designer for the TOC.
* Added the layout info to the Reference page.
* Updated the PDF info for the document to say take 4 headings.

I have only done this once before, and that was to a legacy doc with
all sorts of garbage floating about. My memory fails me. This is a
clean template and I don't want to mess things up. I did not create
the TOC layout.

Thanks in advance.

regards, Karen Mardahl
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RE: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Morgan:

InDesign doesn't recognize FrameMaker's MIF export; not many programs do.

However, your suggestion reminded me that dtptools is working on a 
MIF-ID conversion tool and service. Contact: Jan Macuch 
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At 2:40 PM -0500 6/5/06, Morgan Morrissette wrote:

Hi all:

A second option might be to save your files as MIF which can be used 
by many software programs.  I also have a customer who needed to 
open FM files in a different program and this process worked quite 
well for him.

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RE: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Ann Zdunczyk]

Hi All,

I have found out of few things. 

There is a filter available in beta that converts MIF to InDesign from.

http://www.dtptools.com/

They also have a filter that take FrameMaker MIF to Quark.

Z


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Re: Organization Charts

[David Bills]

Hi Eduardo,

Visio is a popular tool with excellent org chart capabilities. You can use 
one of three options when working with Visio and Frame:

- import Visio files into Frame as an object
- convert the Visio file to PDF and import the PDF into Frame
- or convert the Visio file to PDF, save it as an EPS, and import the EPS 
into Frame


If you're committed to using an Adobe application, you can always use 
Illustrator. It's not as intuitive as Visio, but is more than capable of 
producing a high quality org chart. Just make sure you view rulers and grid 
lines and activate the snap feature.


Good luck!

Dave Bills



- Original Message - 
From: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Organization Charts



Good evening from the USA

As we fast approach yet another World Cup (my pick is the USA, naturally), 
I
wanted to do a personal project involving Organization Charts in 
FrameMaker

to outline the teams leading up to who will be the eventual winner (okay,
it's a test to see if I can pull this off).

Amazingly, I can't seem to find a software tool native to FrameMaker that
creats these types of charts.  Looked in quite a few spots but it's 
getting

late (near midnight) and I'm a bit tired.

Can anyone point me in a good direction.  I have MS Org Chart on my system
but would rather stay within the Adobe line (consistency).

Thanks and regards to all.

Go USA!

Eduardo


Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr.

Heroes:  Ordinary people...doing extraordinary things...in extraordinary
times.









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FrameMaker to InDesign

[Ann Zdunczyk]

Hi All,

I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.

Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.

Any help would be great.

Thanks
Z


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Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336) 922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com  
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FrameMaker to InDesign

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Ann,

Here are some ideas, depending on the nature of the FrameMaker documents.

* Save FM to RTF or Word and import the text into InDesign.

* For structured FrameMaker, export to XML and import XML into InDesign.

* Build a script to export FrameMaker paragraphs, tables, etc, wrapping them 
in Adobe InDesign Tagged Text. Then open the tagged text file in InDesign to 
get fully-formatted text. This would work well for simple, consistently 
formatted FrameMaker documents.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
> FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.
>
> Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.
>
> Any help would be great.
>
> Thanks
> Z
>
>
> **
> Ann Zdunczyk
> President
> a2z Publishing, Inc.
> Phone: (336)922-1271
> Fax:   (336) 922-4980
> Cell:  (336)456-4493
> http://www.a2z-pub.com 
> **

FrameMaker to InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ann:

Rick's made some good points. If you search Google, frameusers.com 
archives, FrameMaker and InDesign U2U forums at Adobe.com, for 
phrases like your subject line, you'll find lots of postings on what 
to expect when migrating. There are many FrameMaker features that 
aren't implemented yet in InDesign, or aren't implemented as 
thoroughly. Also search Google for indesigntalk, dedicated to, umm, 
InDesign Talk!

Keep in mind that InDesign is fundamentally a layout program, which 
traditionally expects the content it's given to be complete, or 
nearly complete. Continuous authoring and editing is more 
FrameMaker's strength, especially for x-refs, and complex numbering 
that change frequently up to the final editing pass before handing 
off for reproduction or distribution.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

At 12:02 PM -0400 6/5/06, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
>FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.
>
>Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.

FW: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Ann Zdunczyk]

LOL you guys are speaking to the Choir I have been a LONG time
FrameMaker user. Some of you have seen me at the FrameMaker Users
Conferences and also the FrameMaker 2005 Chautauqua. 

I explained to this customer that converting WAS NOT going to be just open
the files and go.

Since they are using InDesign CS2 they do have more capabilities than they
had previously.

If it was up to me I would tell them don't do it, but if it is like a lot of
companies the people making the decision are not the ones that are going to
have to DO IT!

Thanks for all the info.

Z


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President
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Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336) 922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
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FW: FrameMaker to InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ann:

There's no mention of the customer's plan, goal, intention, or 
expectations, so it's really nnot clear if it's a good or bad 
decision for them to move.

In fact, if they plan intelligently, it's quite possible to move 
content from FrameMaker to InDesign for final layout with little pain.

My point simply is that it's important to have the whole picture.


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


At 1:29 PM -0400 6/5/06, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:
>LOL you guys are speaking to the Choir I have been a LONG time
>FrameMaker user. Some of you have seen me at the FrameMaker Users
>Conferences and also the FrameMaker 2005 Chautauqua.
>
>I explained to this customer that converting WAS NOT going to be just open
>the files and go.
>
>Since they are using InDesign CS2 they do have more capabilities than they
>had previously.
>
>If it was up to me I would tell them don't do it, but if it is like a lot of
>companies the people making the decision are not the ones that are going to
>have to DO IT!
>
>Thanks for all the info.

Organization Charts

[Beck, Charles]

Hi Eduardo,

I don't know if anyone else replied to your query offline, but I haven't
seen any replies to the list, so I thought I'd just toss in my bit:

I don't know of any Adobe-native tools that do what you want to do. But
then, I am not familiar with the entire Adobe CS family either, so I
could easily miss something. 

If I were you, however, I would use Visio and import it into Frame.
Visio docs import very nicely into Frame, in my experience. 

FWIW, which may not be a whole heckuva lot... Anyone, please feel free
to correct me!

Chuck


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr.
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:54 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Organization Charts

Good evening from the USA

As we fast approach yet another World Cup (my pick is the USA,
naturally), I wanted to do a personal project involving Organization
Charts in FrameMaker to outline the teams leading up to who will be the
eventual winner (okay, it's a test to see if I can pull this off).

Amazingly, I can't seem to find a software tool native to FrameMaker
that creats these types of charts.  Looked in quite a few spots but it's
getting late (near midnight) and I'm a bit tired.

Can anyone point me in a good direction.  I have MS Org Chart on my
system but would rather stay within the Adobe line (consistency).

Thanks and regards to all.

Go USA!

Eduardo


Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr.

"Heroes:  Ordinary people...doing extraordinary things...in
extraordinary times."

FrameMaker to InDesign

[Morgan Morrissette]

Hi all:

A second option might be to save your files as MIF which can be used by many 
software programs.  I also have a customer who needed to open FM files in a 
different program and this process worked quite well for him.

Morgan Morrissette
Office Administrator
NxtPhase T Corp

Phone:  204-477-0591 Ext 223
Fax:   204-478-1697

Email:   mmorrissette at nxtphase.com  
Website:  www.nxtphase.com  




-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net]
Sent: June 5, 2006 11:20 AM
To: Ann Zdunczyk; Framers List; framers at omsys.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker to InDesign


Hi Ann,

Here are some ideas, depending on the nature of the FrameMaker documents.

* Save FM to RTF or Word and import the text into InDesign.

* For structured FrameMaker, export to XML and import XML into InDesign.

* Build a script to export FrameMaker paragraphs, tables, etc, wrapping them 
in Adobe InDesign Tagged Text. Then open the tagged text file in InDesign to 
get fully-formatted text. This would work well for simple, consistently 
formatted FrameMaker documents.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been contacted by a customer to find out what is needed to convert
> FrameMaker to InDesgin. They say they will be using InDesign CS2.
>
> Has anyone done this and if so what are the steps.
>
> Any help would be great.
>
> Thanks
> Z
>
>
> **
> Ann Zdunczyk
> President
> a2z Publishing, Inc.
> Phone: (336)922-1271
> Fax:   (336) 922-4980
> Cell:  (336)456-4493
> http://www.a2z-pub.com 
> **

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Adding another heading to the TOC

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Karen,

Did you right-click the TOC file and add the new Heading4 to the TOC setup?

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[mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:28 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Adding another heading to the TOC


Hi

Frame 7.1p116, WinXP

I've gotten myself confused, so I need some help.

I have a TOC with only 3 headings.

I added a Heading 4 to the other files in the .book. Now I need that
to show up in the TOC.

What I have done:
* Added a "Heading 4TOC" (to match the other 3 levels) in the
Paragraph designer for the TOC.
* Added the layout info to the Reference page.
* Updated the PDF info for the document to say take 4 headings.

I have only done this once before, and that was to a legacy doc with
all sorts of garbage floating about. My memory fails me. This is a
clean template and I don't want to mess things up. I did not create
the TOC layout.

Thanks in advance.

regards, Karen Mardahl
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FrameMaker to InDesign

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Morgan:

InDesign doesn't recognize FrameMaker's MIF export; not many programs do.

However, your suggestion reminded me that dtptools is working on a 
MIF->ID conversion tool and service. Contact: "Jan Macuch" 


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


At 2:40 PM -0500 6/5/06, Morgan Morrissette wrote:
>Hi all:
>
>A second option might be to save your files as MIF which can be used 
>by many software programs.  I also have a customer who needed to 
>open FM files in a different program and this process worked quite 
>well for him.

FrameMaker to InDesign

[Ann Zdunczyk]

Hi All,

I have found out of few things. 

There is a filter available in beta that converts MIF to InDesign from.

http://www.dtptools.com/

They also have a filter that take FrameMaker MIF to Quark.

Z


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Organization Charts

[David Bills]

Hi Eduardo,

Visio is a popular tool with excellent org chart capabilities. You can use 
one of three options when working with Visio and Frame:
- import Visio files into Frame as an object
- convert the Visio file to PDF and import the PDF into Frame
- or convert the Visio file to PDF, save it as an EPS, and import the EPS 
into Frame

If you're committed to using an Adobe application, you can always use 
Illustrator. It's not as intuitive as Visio, but is more than capable of 
producing a high quality org chart. Just make sure you view rulers and grid 
lines and activate the snap feature.

Good luck!

Dave Bills



- Original Message - 
From: "Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr." 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Organization Charts


> Good evening from the USA
>
> As we fast approach yet another World Cup (my pick is the USA, naturally), 
> I
> wanted to do a personal project involving Organization Charts in 
> FrameMaker
> to outline the teams leading up to who will be the eventual winner (okay,
> it's a test to see if I can pull this off).
>
> Amazingly, I can't seem to find a software tool native to FrameMaker that
> creats these types of charts.  Looked in quite a few spots but it's 
> getting
> late (near midnight) and I'm a bit tired.
>
> Can anyone point me in a good direction.  I have MS Org Chart on my system
> but would rather stay within the Adobe line (consistency).
>
> Thanks and regards to all.
>
> Go USA!
>
> Eduardo
>
>
> Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr.
>
> "Heroes:  Ordinary people...doing extraordinary things...in extraordinary
> times."
>
>





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Adding another heading to the TOC

[Karen L. Zorn]

With the book file selected, Edit >Set Up Table of Contents, then move the
format to the Include list.

Karen L. Zorn
Zorn Technologies, Inc.
Mesa, AZ


-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Mardahl
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:28 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Adding another heading to the TOC


Hi

Frame 7.1p116, WinXP

I've gotten myself confused, so I need some help.

I have a TOC with only 3 headings.

I added a Heading 4 to the other files in the .book. Now I need that to show
up in the TOC.

What I have done:
* Added a "Heading 4TOC" (to match the other 3 levels) in the Paragraph
designer for the TOC.
* Added the layout info to the Reference page.
* Updated the PDF info for the document to say take 4 headings.

I have only done this once before, and that was to a legacy doc with all
sorts of garbage floating about. My memory fails me. This is a clean
template and I don't want to mess things up. I did not create the TOC
layout.

Thanks in advance.

regards, Karen Mardahl ___


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