RE: Different endings when typing continuous letters

[Ridder, Fred]

Janet Underwood wrote:

One of my students has asked a question I've never encountered or
thought 
about before. He asks why he can type the letter d continuously and
the 
line will go all the way to the right margin, but if he types the
letter x 
continuously on a line, it wraps to the next line before reaching the
right 
margin. He points out that other letters end at different places and
then 
wrap to the next line. Any ideas?

In the interest of improved legibility on relatively low resolution 
devices like CRT or LCD monitors, the default configuration for
FrameMaker's screen display allows uses fixed widths for 
individual glyphs that may differ slightly (by sub-pixel amounts) 
from the width of the same glyph as reproduced by a relatively 
high resolution devices like laser printers. The line-wrapping 
logic, on the other hand, always uses the printer metrics (the
precise widths of the individual glyphs as reported by the 
printer driver) when determining where to break lines. 

In normal text using a proportional font and not using fully
justified alignment, the positive and negative deviations in width 
(the amount by which screen characters are wider than or 
narrower than the corresponding printed characters) tend to 
average out and you won't notice large deviations in line lengths.
(In fully justified text, you won't see line length difference at 
all because the inter-word spaces are adjusted to make all 
the lines equal length.) But if you repeat the same character
over and over, the width differences accumulate and line length
differences between become very noticeable. The line wrap
logic only displays as many characters per line as the specific
printer will actually produce, but the on-screen display of that
line may be narrower or wider than the printed line. In cases 
the on-screen display may show lines extending beyond the 
right-hand margin (or in extreme cases, commonly with 
monospace fonts, even beyond the page edge) in the on-screen
display. In the specific case you cite, the screen metrics of the 
d glyph apparent match the printer metrics fairly well, while
the screen version of the x glyph is apparently narrower than
the printed character. 

It's interesting to note that in the kind of test you describe 
(repeated characters with no spaces) you'll actually see the 
line length differences with a fully justified alignment as 
well as a ragged-right alignment because there are no 
inter-word spaces for FrameMaker to fudge to make things 
come out right. It's also worthwhile to note that the magnitude 
of the line length deviations (both absolute magnitude and 
relative magnitude between specific character pairs) will 
change as you change fonts (each font has its own unique 
metrics with different round-off errors for low-resolution display), 
when you change Windows printers (the font metrics come 
from the printer driver, and there may be subtle differences 
from one model to another), and when you change the 
FrameMaker zoom factor (the sub-pixel round-off errors are
a much smaller percentage of the on-screen character widths
at higher zoom factors).

But if you prefer to see the actual lengths of text lines in the
on-screen display, the Windows version of FrameMaker allows 
you to force the display to match the printer metrics, but with
some small sacrifice in the rendition of individual glyphs (a few
letter shapes may be slightly distorted in some lines) and 
inter-glyph spacing (some letters in some words may touch
or may appear to have extra space between them), particularly
with FrameMaker set to 100% or smaller. All you need to do is
open the maker.ini file (in the base FrameMaker installation 
directory) with a text editor and alter the value of the 
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics parameter from its default Off
to On. (This item is about half-way down in the file, which
is many hundreds of line long.) Remember to quit FrameMaker 
before editing maker.ini and to save the edited file as plain
text if you are using a word processor to do the editing.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ
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Re: Different endings when typing continuous letters

[Mike Wickham]

One of my students has asked a question I've never encountered or thought 
about before. He asks why he can type the letter d continuously and the 
line will go all the way to the right margin, but if he types the letter 
x continuously on a line, it wraps to the next line before reaching the 
right margin. He points out that other letters end at different places and 
then wrap to the next line. Any ideas?


In maker.ini, change DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics to ON. When it's off, Frame 
displays characters to best fit the pixels on your screen. It makes the 
characters look their best, fudging line length to do so.  When printer 
metrics are on, Frame spaces characters roughly according to the way they 
print. Justified text will all end exactly at the right margin, but 
individual characters may be crowded or poorly spaced on screen to make it 
so. I don't believe either setting affects the way a document prints-- only 
the way it displays. The effect varies according to the zoom level of the 
display. There is less fudging when displayed at 200% than at 100%, for 
example.


I like to set DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics to on so that I get a realistic 
picture of line lengths. I can zoom in when I need to see accurate displays 
of kerning, stretch, etc.


Mike Wickham


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Re: Cond Text in a text inset

[Rene Stephenson]

It depends on how you import it and how you use the conditions in the source 
for the inset and the destination doc in which you've placed the inset. If 
you're consistent in the way you apply the tags on both ends and import using 
the destination doc's settings, I think you'd be OK. 

However, although I have tons of cond text experience, I admit I haven't done 
much with text insets. There are some others subscribing to this list who have 
used text insets very heavily who may provide greater, more reliable insight.

HTH,
Rene

Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any problem using 
conditional text inside of a text inset?

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Re: MIL specs (was RE: general publication quiestion)

[Mike Wickham]

Why hurt Muslims' feelings with creative expressions such as 
Islamofascists?


Why hurt Richard's feelings for his use of an innocuous political term? That 
term has no more stigma than calling someone a Democrat. You say labels 
hurt, yet had no problem trying to label Richard as an ahole.


Mike Wickham


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OT: derogatory phrase (was RE: MIL specs)

[Combs, Richard]

Nandini G wrote: 
 
 Why hurt Muslims' feelings with creative expressions such as 
 Islamofascists?

Why should this hurt (non-fascist) Muslims' feelings? Shouldn't decent
Muslims be just as contemptuous of and outraged by these murderous
monsters as decent Christians, Buddhists, Hindi, atheists, and everyone
else whom they're trying to subjugate? 
 
Marcus Carr wrote: 

 I find this deeply offensive and totally inappropriate for 
 this list. I don't want to hear that it was tongue in cheek 

It was intended to clarify that my negative remarks about MIL specs
weren't engendered by an anti-military or anti-war bias. 

Why are you offended? Are you in favor of a totalitarian fundamentalist
Islamist state? Or are you one of those who believes we must be tolerant
of everything, even the execution by stoning of homosexuals and rape
victims, the extermination of Jews, the treatment of women as no better
than cattle or goats, ... ? 

No apology. 

Richard


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Re: Cond Text in a text inset

[hedley . finger]

Shmuel:

 Is there any problem using conditional text inside of a text inset?

If the host file does not have that condition, the visibility of the 
condition in the text inset will be the same in the host file.  If the 
host file does have the condition too, then the visibility, definition of 
condition indicators, and whether condition indicators are on or off will 
override those in the text inset, whatever their state in the text inset. 
That is, provided you have allowed the host formats to override those in 
the text inset when you import it.

Regards,
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Unavailable Fonts Message - Cross-Platform Issue?

[Lin Surasky]

Okay, folks What am I missing here??
 
I primarily work on Windows XP. However, last week I had occasion to
work temporarily on a Mac. The Mac was not set up with all the same
fonts we use in our template, and that wasn't an issue since we weren't
doing any output from the Mac. The Remember Missing Fonts checkbox in
Preferences is checked, so that when I migrated the files back to my
regular Windows machine, everything should have been hunky-dory. And it
was, except for one lone file
 
On one file out of about a dozen, I am getting the unavailable fonts
message when I open it on my Windows machine because the file is looking
to use the Garamond font that the Mac machine subsituted in the absence
of the usual Windows font. I didn't make any edits to this file, but I
did save it on the Mac. 
 
So the logical next step is to locate the instances of the Garamond font
in the file and remove the formatting override which removes the use of
the Garamond font, right? Right. Except In a few cases, the Garamond
font remains and will not go away no matter what I do to the text. These
cases are in table cells. I don't know if that makes a difference; it
shouldn't, but you just never know. Also, if you click or select a word
in the table, the formatting appears normal, and the correct font family
is displayed in the formatting bar. However, if you select
(triple-click) the entire paragraph, the font family changes to Adobe
Garamond, which I have installed on my machine, but do not use in the
template. This is the font that gets substituted for the missing
Garamond font, which is what the Mac machine used when it couldn't find
the Schoolbook font from the Windows machine.
 
I have tried using the wash feature in Mif2Go to see if that helps.
The first time I open the file after washing it, the error does not
appear. However, once I save (on Windows) and close the file, the error
returns when the file is reopened.
 
I saved the file as MIF to see where the Garamond font is being used,
but that still doesn't explain why it's being used and why I can't get
rid of it.
 
Has anyone seen this before, and if so, what causes it and how do I fix
it?
 
I feel compelled to add that I worked in a cross-platform environment
for several years and have NEVER had this type of problem before,
despite all the warnings against using the evil Mac from those who don't
know but think they do...
 
Thanks for any light you can shed on this! I know it has to be something
simple.
-Lin
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FW: Unavailable Fonts Message - Cross-Platform Issue?

[Lin Surasky]

As a follow-up to this, I've narrowed the problem down to paragraphs
that contain text assigned character formats that include Bold weight as
one of the characteristics. The text assigned the character formats
appears as it should, and is NOT assigned the Garamond font. However,
when the entire paragraph is selected, the font family is once again
displayed as Garamond.
 
I don't know if this helps diagnose the issue, but hopefully it will
 
Again, this is only happening in one of a dozen or so files that were
opened and saved on the other platform and brought back to the native
machine. ARGH!
-Lin



From: Lin Surasky 
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:25 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Unavailable Fonts Message - Cross-Platform Issue?


Okay, folks What am I missing here??
 
I primarily work on Windows XP. However, last week I had occasion to
work temporarily on a Mac. The Mac was not set up with all the same
fonts we use in our template, and that wasn't an issue since we weren't
doing any output from the Mac. The Remember Missing Fonts checkbox in
Preferences is checked, so that when I migrated the files back to my
regular Windows machine, everything should have been hunky-dory. And it
was, except for one lone file
 
On one file out of about a dozen, I am getting the unavailable fonts
message when I open it on my Windows machine because the file is looking
to use the Garamond font that the Mac machine subsituted in the absence
of the usual Windows font. I didn't make any edits to this file, but I
did save it on the Mac. 
 
So the logical next step is to locate the instances of the Garamond font
in the file and remove the formatting override which removes the use of
the Garamond font, right? Right. Except In a few cases, the Garamond
font remains and will not go away no matter what I do to the text. These
cases are in table cells. I don't know if that makes a difference; it
shouldn't, but you just never know. Also, if you click or select a word
in the table, the formatting appears normal, and the correct font family
is displayed in the formatting bar. However, if you select
(triple-click) the entire paragraph, the font family changes to Adobe
Garamond, which I have installed on my machine, but do not use in the
template. This is the font that gets substituted for the missing
Garamond font, which is what the Mac machine used when it couldn't find
the Schoolbook font from the Windows machine.
 
I have tried using the wash feature in Mif2Go to see if that helps.
The first time I open the file after washing it, the error does not
appear. However, once I save (on Windows) and close the file, the error
returns when the file is reopened.
 
I saved the file as MIF to see where the Garamond font is being used,
but that still doesn't explain why it's being used and why I can't get
rid of it.
 
Has anyone seen this before, and if so, what causes it and how do I fix
it?
 
I feel compelled to add that I worked in a cross-platform environment
for several years and have NEVER had this type of problem before,
despite all the warnings against using the evil Mac from those who don't
know but think they do...
 
Thanks for any light you can shed on this! I know it has to be something
simple.
-Lin
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Re: Somewhat OT: Bookmarks in PDF Jumping to Wrong View

[Shlomo Perets]

Susan,

You wrote:


I tried changing the document properties to single page, but it made no
difference.  The display still shows with the link in the upper left
corner, which means my page displays partway up or down the window.


If the page cannot be displayed in full, because of the magnification used 
and the page size, Acrobat will scroll up, if needed, to show the 
target  in the upper left -- even if Single Page mode is used. It will not 
scroll up to the extent of showing a portion from the following page, however.



Rick Quattro advised me yesterday that this was normal behavior, and
suggested I have a look at your Timesavers.  I take it from your response
that Timesavers can't fix this.  Actually, it's never bothered me
before, but one of my reviewers complained about the display so I told him
I'd investigate.


Indeed, TimeSavers can't fix this. It is possible technically to add a 
function that will suppress the coordinates info, so that links would point 
to a page rather to than to a specific location on a page. This is the case 
with PDFs authored in InDesign -- bookmarks  links created automatically 
from TOC entries use named destinations which store the page number but not 
the horizontal/vertical coordinates of the specific item within that page. 
I personally think that this is a limitation rather than a feature.


Rick's suggestion relates to the possibility of settings PDF defaults 
automatically upon distilling, with TimeSavers + Defaults Assistant (see 
http://www.microtype.com/TimeSavers_Assistants.html for more information).



Shlomo Perets

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re: Any wa to link images in a PDF file

[Shlomo Perets]

Wei,

You wrote:

 I just wonder if there is a way to generate a PDF file from a FrameMaker
 book that that does not actually embed the images but will read and display
 the images when it is opened. My client may need to change of the linked
 image files after the PDF file is hardcoded.

Images in PDF cannot be linked. One exception is that Acrobat/Reader 6 or 
higher support the display of linked JPEG images in a floating window, see 
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/MultimediaAsst/Jpeg_linked.pdf (distilled 
with TimeSavers + Multimedia Assistant).



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Re: Any wa to link images in a PDF file

[Bill Swallow]

Not that I know of. PDF is a rendered document format. Perhaps someone
knows of a means of using PDFMark tags to do this, but I believe PDF
is all-consuming, given the document is designed to be portable.

On 10/23/06, Wei Jiang (PT_ORG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I just wonder if there is a way to generate a PDF file from a FrameMaker
book that that does not actually embed the images but will read and display
the images when it is opened. My client may need to change of the linked
image files after the PDF file is hardcoded.


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Cond Text in a text inset

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Shmuel:

> Is there any problem using conditional text inside of a text inset?

If the host file does not have that condition, the visibility of the 
condition in the text inset will be the same in the host file.  If the 
host file does have the condition too, then the visibility, definition of 
condition indicators, and whether condition indicators are on or off will 
override those in the text inset, whatever their state in the text inset. 
That is, provided you have allowed the host formats to override those in 
the text inset when you import it.

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"derogatory phrase" (was RE: MIL specs)

[Jaya Ghosh]

Hello Framers,

How about restricting this list to technical discussions only? Anyone who is
interested to continue responding to non-technical stuff should do so
offline on 1-to-1 basis than sending the mails to the list. 

Regards,
Jaya

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jghosh=coware@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jghosh=coware.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Combs, Richard
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:27 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: OT: "derogatory phrase" (was RE: MIL specs)

Nandini G wrote: 

> Why hurt Muslims' feelings with creative expressions such as 
> Islamofascists?

Why should this hurt (non-fascist) Muslims' feelings? Shouldn't decent
Muslims be just as contemptuous of and outraged by these murderous
monsters as decent Christians, Buddhists, Hindi, atheists, and everyone
else whom they're trying to subjugate? 

Marcus Carr wrote: 

> I find this deeply offensive and totally inappropriate for 
> this list. I don't want to hear that it was tongue in cheek 

It was intended to clarify that my negative remarks about MIL specs
weren't engendered by an anti-military or anti-war bias. 

Why are you offended? Are you in favor of a totalitarian fundamentalist
Islamist state? Or are you one of those who believes we must be tolerant
of everything, even the execution by stoning of homosexuals and rape
victims, the extermination of Jews, the treatment of women as no better
than cattle or goats, ... ? 

No apology. 

Richard


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Index sort order

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

I discovered a problem in my index. Entries such as "semantic errors" and 
"search windows" were sorted _after_ Z. Naturally, I inspected the sort order 
on the reference page in the index file and found that the last entry in the 
sort order was "". If I removed that from the sort order, the above 
terms sorted correctly.

Now, the manual states,
"To indicate that a letter pair should be sorted as a single character, specify 
the letter pair between angle brackets (< >)--for example, C ? c ?."

Why, then, does "" (and "" too, btw) not obey that rule? Does it 
really only apply to PAIRS?

(I know that you can specify a custom sort order in the index marker, so you 
needn't tell me that.)

Here's the whole sort order if you want to see that:
<$symbols><$numerics>Aa Bb C?c? Dd Ee Ff?  Gg Hh Ii? Jj 
Kk Ll Mm N?n? O?o??? Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Y?y?? Zz ?? ?? 
?? 

Frame 7.1 p116 on Win2K.

Med venlig hilsen/Best regards

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PDF editing issues

[Shenton, David (DTRN)]

I have some weird things happening with Adobe Acrobat 6.0 when
attempting to delete text in a 200 page pdf. I was given an old file to
edit and I'm not sure what program the source file came from.

Using the Touchup Text Tool to delete text nothing happens, but when I
click off the page and go back to the edited page the text is deleted.
Other times I'm unable to edit the text because of font issues, what do
fonts have to do with editing text and how can I correct this.

Has anybody got any ideas?
Dave 

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How do I add a Tab to a Marker using Glossary

[Brenda Waltermeyer]

I have a generated file for my acronyms and abbreviations. I am using FM on
a PC.
When we used FM on a MAC we would just put in the Marker box (Glossary) and
type:

JHU/APL\tThe Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
And then press edit marker

Once we are done with marking all other acronyms, we would generate the
file. 
It would put the tab for us and we would have  list:
JHU/APL The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
etc..


On the PC side when we do this we do not get the Tab in our generated file
It shows up as:
JHU/APL\tThe Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory

No Tab.

How do I put in a tab in the Marker box and get it to generate properly?



Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
National Security Technology Department
Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
Room 8-375
Phone: (443) 778-8748

How do I add a Tab to a Marker using Glossary

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Brenda,

In place of \t, try using \x08.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
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>I have a generated file for my acronyms and abbreviations. I am using FM on
> a PC.
> When we used FM on a MAC we would just put in the Marker box (Glossary) 
> and
> type:
>
>JHU/APL\tThe Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
>And then press edit marker
>
> Once we are done with marking all other acronyms, we would generate the
> file.
> It would put the tab for us and we would have  list:
>JHU/APL The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
>etc..
>
>
> On the PC side when we do this we do not get the Tab in our generated file
> It shows up as:
>JHU/APL\tThe Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
>
> No Tab.
>
> How do I put in a tab in the Marker box and get it to generate properly?
>
>
> 
> Brenda L. Waltermeyer
> Lead Desktop Publisher
> The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
> National Security Technology Department
> Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
> Room 8-375
> Phone: (443) 778-8748

XML roundtripping - attributes with more than one value

[Daniel Osborn]

Hi,



In Framemaker, when you add more than one value to an attribute of type
'Strings', the values have to be separated by a line break.



When you save the file as .xml the values of the attribute are written
into one string separated by spaces. No problem there except that when
you open the file again in Framemaker the values are also written on one
line separated by spaces.



Is there any way to reintroduce the line breaks into the attribute value
when the file is opened in Framemaker? 



Thanks,

Daniel



Daniel Osborn | Usability Engineer - Technical Writer | TomTom |
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PDF editing issues

[Combs, Richard]

Shenton, David (DTRN) wrote: 

> I have some weird things happening with Adobe Acrobat 6.0 
> when attempting to delete text in a 200 page pdf. I was given 
> an old file to edit and I'm not sure what program the source 
> file came from.
> 
> Using the Touchup Text Tool to delete text nothing happens, 
> but when I click off the page and go back to the edited page 
> the text is deleted.
> Other times I'm unable to edit the text because of font 
> issues, what do fonts have to do with editing text and how 
> can I correct this.

How much "editing" are you trying to do? The Touchup Text Tool has that
name for a reason -- it's intended to fix the one or two little typos
that got by you before PDFing. PDF is an _output_ format, and it's just
not realistic to do much editing of a PDF. 

If you need to change more than a few letters or a word here and there,
explain this to the people who gave you the PDF and tell them the
changes need to be made in the source doc, if it still exists. 

If the source doc isn't available, you may need to take a deep breath
and save the PDF as RTF. Edit the RTF file in Word (this could be
time-consuming; there will probably be formatting issues) and create a
new PDF. 

All that said, the Touchup Text Tool is sometimes painfully slow to
delete even a few characters. Your clicking off the page may just be a
coincidental filling of the delay, or it may trigger the display to
refresh -- or it could be magic! :-)

As for what fonts have to do with editing -- well, you can't insert new
characters in the Palatino font if your PC doesn't have that font and it
isn't embedded in the PDF. The "fix" is to buy and install the missing
font. 

HTH!
Richard


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Unavailable Fonts Message - Cross-Platform Issue?

[Steve Cavanaugh]

Look at the file named "custom" typically located at C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\fminit.  To edit that file you want to make a
backup, change the name, do the edit, then change the name back (at
least that's what I was told, and I haven't tested to see if you need
all those steps).  It is not the only place that FrameMaker looks for
font info, but it appears to be one of the more important to consider.  

There are also font substitution specifications in the file "maker.ini"
typically located at C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2.  One of those
may be involved.   


Steve Cavanaugh
Sr. Technical Writer
NAT Seattle Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Lin Surasky
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:25 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Unavailable Fonts Message - Cross-Platform Issue?

Okay, folks What am I missing here??

I primarily work on Windows XP. However, last week I had occasion to
work temporarily on a Mac. The Mac was not set up with all the same
fonts we use in our template, and that wasn't an issue since we weren't
doing any output from the Mac. The Remember Missing Fonts checkbox in
Preferences is checked, so that when I migrated the files back to my
regular Windows machine, everything should have been hunky-dory. And it
was, except for one lone file

On one file out of about a dozen, I am getting the "unavailable fonts"
message when I open it on my Windows machine because the file is looking
to use the Garamond font that the Mac machine subsituted in the absence
of the usual Windows font. I didn't make any edits to this file, but I
did save it on the Mac. 

So the logical next step is to locate the instances of the Garamond font
in the file and remove the formatting override which removes the use of
the Garamond font, right? Right. Except In a few cases, the Garamond
font remains and will not go away no matter what I do to the text. These
cases are in table cells. I don't know if that makes a difference; it
shouldn't, but you just never know. Also, if you click or select a word
in the table, the formatting appears normal, and the correct font family
is displayed in the formatting bar. However, if you select
(triple-click) the entire paragraph, the font family changes to Adobe
Garamond, which I have installed on my machine, but do not use in the
template. This is the font that gets substituted for the "missing"
Garamond font, which is what the Mac machine used when it couldn't find
the Schoolbook font from the Windows machine.

I have tried using the "wash" feature in Mif2Go to see if that helps.
The first time I open the file after "washing" it, the error does not
appear. However, once I save (on Windows) and close the file, the error
returns when the file is reopened.

I saved the file as MIF to see where the Garamond font is being used,
but that still doesn't explain why it's being used and why I can't get
rid of it.

Has anyone seen this before, and if so, what causes it and how do I fix
it?

I feel compelled to add that I worked in a cross-platform environment
for several years and have NEVER had this type of problem before,
despite all the warnings against using the evil Mac from those who don't
know but think they do...

Thanks for any light you can shed on this! I know it has to be something
simple.
-Lin
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Assessing a document's reading level

[Rene Stephenson]

Hi All,

  Does anyone know of a tool or plugin or FrameScript for FM that can  assess 
reading level of a document? My only idea is to convert to RTF  and use Word's 
spelling/grammar checker to get the reading ease and  grade level scores. 
Ideally, there would be a plugin to provide this  for FM? At this point, I'm 
not picky about whether it could   provide  Flesch Reading Ease or 
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level scores  or both - anything is better than nothing at 
all. ;-)

  For that matter, if there's not such a thing for FM, perhaps there  would be 
something that could work with PDF files? I have "googled" on  all the keywords 
that come to mind, without success. Surely someone on  this list is in the 
know! :-)

  Thanks,
  Rene


Rene L. Stephenson
eNovative Solutions, Inc.
Business Phone: 678-513-0051
Email: rinnie1 at yahoo.com

Adapting EDD for WebWorks ePublisher Pro 9.1

[Lynne A. Price]

Daniel,
   Interesting idea. As you point out, though, you've lost the ability to 
increment formatting properties. Applying a paragraph format sets all 
paragraph properties, undoing anything you have inherited.
   Once you've gone to all the work of defining a paragraph format for each 
style you want, why not give up on the inherited formatting and just define 
the desired properties in the paragraph catalog?
   Alternatively, instead of two rules in each definition in your EDD, you 
could have two EDDs--one that uses hierarchical styles, one that uses the 
format catalogs. In fact, you can have the effect of two EDDs using 
conditional text in one file. Then, you'd hide the WebWorks version of the 
formatting rules when you are formatting your document. When you're ready 
to use WebWorks, you'd import element definitions from the variant EDD first.
 --Lynne


At 02:09 AM 3/10/2006, Daniel Osborn wrote:
>Hi Framers,
>
>I'd like to ask your opinion on a workaround I've just found for using
>structured Frame with WebWorks ePublisher Pro 9.1
>
>At the moment, I have a problem with WebWorks ePublisher Pro as it
>doesn't support basing styles on elements.
>
>All my formatting is defined in the edd using the format change list. If
>I were using paragraph formatting in the edd, I could create empty
>paragraph formats in my FM docs by saying "Automatically create formats
>on import" at the top of the edd, then use these formats in WebWorks.
>
>I've been playing a bit and discovered that it seems like I can create
>the paragraph formats and continue to use the format change list.
>
>I declare each context rule twice (by copying the context rule I was
>using). In the first instance, I change "Use format change list" to "Use
>paragraph format". When I import the edd into my documents all the
>paragraph formats are created and the formatting is correct (based on
>the format change list).
>
>My question is, is this a sensible workaround? I'm not experienced
>enough with structured Frame or edds to know if this will have any
>unwanted consequences anywhere or to know what is really happening.
>There are some things that now don't work, for example, you can't adjust
>font sizes or indents using "Font size change" or "Move indent".
>
>I haven't changed everything yet as I would have to make quite a few
>changes to the edd (especially concerning lists) and before I do that,
>I'd like to hear any opinions on this.
>
>Many thanks for your help,
>Daniel
>
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