So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Hi, Joseph. You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker ... if you look at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old times sake, though. :) Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail - would like to know your decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system. Today, all my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am only using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a couple of days - even for the large documents - and then I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from FrameMaker. However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I would do it! :)) For now, for my needs (which may not apply to everybody), a combination of Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 pages), and LaTex (for large multi-hundred page specifications) is proving quite workable. Not perfect, and not as flexible as FrameMaker, but the costly upgrades of FrameMaker is not acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker. BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve *complete* look-and-feel consistency in my specifications - formatting is separate from text entry - and I value that highly. It was my reason for selecting FrameMaker over Word about 12 years ago for my current company. Regards, and good luck! Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM To: FrameMaker Forum; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com Subject: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Joseph: I understand this, but I'm sorry to see you go. Please include me on your mailing list of the explanations. Nadine From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net To: Joseph Lorenzini jalo...@gmail.com; FrameMaker Forum framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 2:22:59 PM Subject: RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating fromFrameMaker to Flare Hi, Joseph. You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker … if you look at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old times sake, though. J Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail – would like to know your decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system. Today, all my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am only using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a couple of days – even for the large documents – and then I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from FrameMaker. However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I would do it! J) For now, for my needs (which may not apply to everybody), a combination of Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 pages), and LaTex (for large multi-hundred page specifications) is proving quite workable. Not perfect, and not as flexible as FrameMaker, but the costly “upgrades” of FrameMaker is not acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker. BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve *complete* look-and-feel consistency in my specifications – formatting is separate from text entry – and I value that highly. It was my reason for selecting FrameMaker over Word about 12 years ago for my current company. Regards, and good luck! Z From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM To: FrameMaker Forum; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com Subject: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Interestingly, Syed's comments mirror my own trajectory but I have been using LaTeX et al for as long as I have been using FrameMaker. I doubt I will be moving past version 10 unless my clients continue to request I upgrade (to match compatibility with their software). I doubt I will be taking any short term licensing options because files are not created for short term use. Importantly for me, TeXLive is free and has a strong and vibrant user base. Alan On 29/10/13 7:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Hi, Joseph. You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker … if you look at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old times sake, though. J Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail – would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system. Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am /only/ using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a couple of days – even for the large documents – and then I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from FrameMaker. However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I would do it! J) For now, /for my needs (which may not apply to everybody)/, a combination of Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 pages), and LaTex (for large multi-hundred page specifications) is proving quite workable. Not perfect, and not as flexible as FrameMaker, but the costly “upgrades” of FrameMaker is not acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker. BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve **complete** look-and-feel consistency in my specifications – formatting is separate from text entry – and I value that highly. It was my reason for selecting FrameMaker over Word about 12 years ago for my current company. Regards, and good luck! Z *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lorenzini *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM *To:* FrameMaker Forum; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structured FM11 Not translating horizontal tab character - #09;
In my office, we are upgrading from Structured FrameMaker 8 in Win XP to Structured FrameMaker 11 in Win 7. Part of the work that I do involves importing xml feeds into Structured FrameMaker templates using an automated process. As I am testing the importing into FM 11 I am noticing that the special character code used for a horizontal tab - #09; - is not translating into a tab after the xml feed has been imported into the FM 11 template. It does translate into a horizontal tab when imported into FM 8. FrameMaker 11 is not substituting a space for the tab when the data is imported. It was suggested that I check to see that the preserve line breaks rule is set up. I am using the same Read/Write Rules file and other system files that I used when importing into FrameMaker 8. I'm assuming that the preserve line breaks rule is part of the Read/Write file. Am I correct? Any assistance with resolving this issue will be appreciated. Brenda George Desk: (724) 720-8491 bgeo...@federatedinv.com Unless notified to the contrary by the sender, the recipient should consider the contents of this message including any attachments to be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please contact Federated Investors immediately by forwarding this email to not...@federatedinv.com and then delete this message from your system. Saving, copying or disseminating an inadvertently received email could violate state and Federal privacy laws. All emails received by or sent from Federated may be provided to regulators or law enforcement agencies, or used for other purposes consistent with Federated's business interests. Thank you for your cooperation.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Why not share your reasons for migrating with the list? It's not like this is a fan club, I think a lot of FM users are looking for a practical migration path. It would be interesting to hear a current comparison of the two. On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joseph Lorenzini jalo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Mac OSX Mavericks and VirtualBox
If you are one of our colleagues who runs FrameMaker on a Mac with a Windows VM in VirtualBox, you should know that an upgrade to OSX Mavericks might not go well. Our field guys have had no end of trouble with the upgrade. Here's what seems to work for them: After MANY attempts, the way to go is: 1) download version 4.3 for Mac 2) run uninstaller program from the download (will pop up terminal window and ask a couple of questions) 3) restart Mac (key to whole process) 4) run Vbox 4.3 installer My system been stable for almost 24 hours now... -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.** * ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mac OSX Mavericks and VirtualBox
Thanks John, I do. Actually, Windows is on Bootcamp but run through VB. Have any users run VB on a fresh install (as opposed to the upgrade)? I won't be upgrading this year. I have important applications that would be broken by Mavericks and need to wait for the upgrades of those to be tested before upgrading the OS. Alan On 29/10/13 7:06 AM, John Sgammato wrote: If you are one of our colleagues who runs FrameMaker on a Mac with a Windows VM in VirtualBox, you should know that an upgrade to OSX Mavericks might not go well. Our field guys have had no end of trouble with the upgrade. Here's what seems to work for them: After MANY attempts, the way to go is: 1) download version 4.3 for Mac 2) run uninstaller program from the download (will pop up terminal window and ask a couple of questions) 3) restart Mac (key to whole process) 4) run Vbox 4.3 installer My system been stable for almost 24 hours now... -- http://www.actifio.com/ *John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t*@actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio http://www.actifio.com/ /Radically simple copy data management / /.// / ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How do you use PDFs?
Hi... I've set up a very short little survey that asks questions about your use of PDFs. This is really just a way for me to get an idea of what people are really doing with PDFs. I'll post the results of the survey when I close it .. probably sometime in December. http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1428578/Why-do-YOU-use-PDFs If you can spare a minute or two (really), I'd appreciate your input on this. Note that this is not specifically a Techcomm question, so feel free to forward to anyone who works with PDFs. Cheers, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Joseph, I would be grateful to be included in your explanation list. To the LaTex advocates: What version/product/learning tools and resources have you found most useful? I'm not at all interested in going back to some coding-oriented environment. It occurs to me that leaving FrameMaker cuts one's last tie to Adobe Acrobat, as well. One may need Acrobat to publish from Adobe applications, but not to publish from anyplace else, of which I am aware. Best to all, Elchanan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM To: FrameMaker Forum; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com Subject: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Well... On 29/10/13 1:33 PM, VLM TechSubs wrote: To the LaTex advocates: What version/product/learning tools and resources have you found most useful? I’m not at all interested in going back to some coding-oriented environment. Since I use Mac and Windows I use TeXLive that provides MacTeX and MikTeX respectively. On the Mac, I use TeXShop exclusively and on Windows, mainly TeXWorks. I wouldn't call it a coding oriented environment, but some might. It prefer to think of it as wysiwym. For those that prefer the wysiwyg experience, there is Scientific Word: http://www.mackichan.com/index.html?products/sw.html It occurs to me that leaving FrameMaker cuts one’s last tie to Adobe Acrobat, as well. One may need Acrobat to publish from Adobe applications, but not to publish from anyplace else, of which I am aware. I use Acrobat quite often, but I am not tied to the latest version of it. Alan Best to all, Elchanan *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lorenzini *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM *To:* FrameMaker Forum; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
There are plenty of alternatives even with FM, as long as you use Print . . . rather than Save as PDF. I have Acrobat at home but use CutePDF as a printer on my university machine. Michael Lewis Macquarie University On 2013/10/29 11:33, VLM TechSubs wrote: It occurs to me that leaving FrameMaker cuts one’s last tie to Adobe Acrobat, as well. One may need Acrobat to publish from Adobe applications, but not to publish from anyplace else, of which I am aware. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
VLM TechSubs wrote: It occurs to me that leaving FrameMaker cuts one’s last tie to Adobe Acrobat, as well. One may need Acrobat to publish from Adobe applications, but not to publish from anyplace else, of which I am aware. Adobe applications don't tie you to Acrobat. FM includes a PDF-creation add-on (an Acrobat subset, of course) that can be installed or not, and can output in HTML, XML, too. Other Adobe programs have PDF capability built-in. There are third-party PDF creators out there, as well. Nobody needs PDF unless they want to create documents that will retain fonts and formatting to display identically on every computer. But if you want that, you want PDF-- and you probably want Acrobat because it is the most stable and full-featured. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured FM11 Not translating horizontal tab character - #09;
For FM 11 I had to add xml:space=preserve to my root element, e.g. masterregs xml:space=preserve recid=1 name=dot In addition when I had a multi-column table and I have an empty cell with a dotleader like ... to guide the eye across the cell I use a decimal tab. The tagging td#x0009/td did not work. Frame determined there was nothing really in the cell. I added a non-breaking space #00A0; before the tab, e.g. td valign=top colname=2 dotleader=2.2#x00A0;#x0009;/td Ed Nodland On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:00 AM, George, Brenda (CAI) bgeo...@federatedinv.com wrote: In my office, we are upgrading from Structured FrameMaker 8 in Win XP to Structured FrameMaker 11 in Win 7. Part of the work that I do involves importing xml feeds into Structured FrameMaker templates using an automated process. As I am testing the importing into FM 11 I am noticing that the special character code used for a horizontal tab - #09; - is not translating into a tab after the xml feed has been imported into the FM 11 template. It does translate into a horizontal tab when imported into FM 8. ** ** FrameMaker 11 is not substituting a space for the tab when the data is imported. It was suggested that I check to see that the preserve line breaks rule is set up. I am using the same Read/Write Rules file and other system files that I used when importing into FrameMaker 8. I’m assuming that the preserve line breaks rule is part of the Read/Write file. Am I correct? ** ** Any assistance with resolving this issue will be appreciated. ** ** ** ** Brenda George Desk: (724) 720-8491 bgeo...@federatedinv.com ** ** Unless notified to the contrary by the sender, the recipient should consider the contents of this message including any attachments to be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please contact Federated Investors immediately by forwarding this email to not...@federatedinv.com and then delete this message from your system. Saving, copying or disseminating an inadvertently received email could violate state and Federal privacy laws. All emails received by or sent from Federated may be provided to regulators or law enforcement agencies, or used for other purposes consistent with Federated's business interests. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Hi, Joseph. You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker ... if you look at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old times sake, though. :) Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail - would like to know your decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system. Today, all my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am only using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a couple of days - even for the large documents - and then I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from FrameMaker. However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I would do it! :)) For now, for my needs (which may not apply to everybody), a combination of Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 pages), and LaTex (for large multi-hundred page specifications) is proving quite workable. Not perfect, and not as flexible as FrameMaker, but the costly "upgrades" of FrameMaker is not acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker. BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve *complete* look-and-feel consistency in my specifications - formatting is separate from text entry - and I value that highly. It was my reason for selecting FrameMaker over Word about 12 years ago for my current company. Regards, and good luck! Z From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM To: FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com Subject: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131028/ef3f24e7/attachment.html>
So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Joseph: I understand this, but I'm sorry to see you go. Please include me on your mailing list of the explanations. Nadine > > From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" aeris.net> >To: Joseph Lorenzini ; FrameMaker Forum lists.frameusers.com> >Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 2:22:59 PM >Subject: RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating fromFrameMaker >to Flare > > > >Hi, Joseph. >? >You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker ? if you look at my >posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have been using it >since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old times sake, though. J >? >Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail ? would like to >know your decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) recent over-pricing for >some version upgrades that should have been done as free bug fixes, (b) the >Adobe trend (albeit not yet announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only >licensing mechanism, and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of >licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system. >? >Today, all my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am only using it >for maintaining and changing old documents, and if the change is large enough, >I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a couple of days ? even for the large >documents ? and then I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents >will be moved from FrameMaker. >? >However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite >capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made me a $199 >one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I would do it! J) >? >For now, for my needs (which may not apply to everybody), a combination of >Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 pages), and LaTex (for large >multi-hundred page specifications) is proving quite workable. Not perfect, and >not as flexible as FrameMaker, but the costly ?upgrades? of FrameMaker is not >acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker. >? >BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve *complete* look-and-feel >consistency in my specifications ? formatting is separate from text entry ? >and I value that highly. It was my reason for selecting FrameMaker over Word >about 12 years ago for my current company. >? >Regards, and good luck! >? >Z >? >From:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at >lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini >Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM >To: FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com >Subject: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare >? >Hi all, >? >I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands >of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great >tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful.? >? >So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community >and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no >evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can >be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why >I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case >? >There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite >large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why >I am not using its tool anymore. >? >That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to >others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to >learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel >free to email me. >? >Sincerely, >Joseph Lorenzini
Structured FM11 Not translating horizontal tab character -
In my office, we are upgrading from Structured FrameMaker 8 in Win XP to Structured FrameMaker 11 in Win 7. Part of the work that I do involves importing xml feeds into Structured FrameMaker templates using an automated process. As I am testing the importing into FM 11 I am noticing that the special character code used for a horizontal tab - - is not translating into a tab after the xml feed has been imported into the FM 11 template. It does translate into a horizontal tab when imported into FM 8. FrameMaker 11 is not substituting a space for the tab when the data is imported. It was suggested that I check to see that the preserve line breaks rule is set up. I am using the same Read/Write Rules file and other system files that I used when importing into FrameMaker 8. I'm assuming that the preserve line breaks rule is part of the Read/Write file. Am I correct? Any assistance with resolving this issue will be appreciated. Brenda George Desk: (724) 720-8491 bgeorge at federatedinv.com Unless notified to the contrary by the sender, the recipient should consider the contents of this message including any attachments to be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please contact Federated Investors immediately by forwarding this email to notify at federatedinv.com and then delete this message from your system. Saving, copying or disseminating an inadvertently received email could violate state and Federal privacy laws. All emails received by or sent from Federated may be provided to regulators or law enforcement agencies, or used for other purposes consistent with Federated's business interests. Thank you for your cooperation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131028/8978f0e2/attachment.html>
Mac OSX Mavericks and VirtualBox
If you are one of our colleagues who runs FrameMaker on a Mac with a Windows VM in VirtualBox, you should know that an upgrade to OSX Mavericks might not go well. Our field guys have had no end of trouble with the upgrade. Here's what seems to work for them: After MANY attempts, the way to go is: 1) download version 4.3 for Mac 2) run uninstaller program from the download (will pop up terminal window and ask a couple of questions) 3) restart Mac (key to whole process) 4) run Vbox 4.3 installer My system been stable for almost 24 hours now... -- <http://www.actifio.com/>*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgammato at actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs <http://twitter.com/actifiodocs> 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 <http://twitter.com/actifio> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246> <https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts> <http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio><http://www.actifio.com/> *Radically simple copy data management * *.** * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131028/a810aade/attachment.html>
So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Why not share your reasons for migrating with the list? It's not like this is a fan club, I think a lot of FM users are looking for a practical migration path. It would be interesting to hear a current comparison of the two. On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joseph Lorenzini wrote: > Hi all, > > I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands > of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great > tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. > > So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this > community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please > note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. > FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. > The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and > use case > > There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite > large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about > why I am not using its tool anymore. > > That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to > others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious > to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. > Feel free to email me.
How do you use PDFs?
Hi... I've set up a very short little survey that asks questions about your use of PDFs. This is really just a way for me to get an idea of what people are really doing with PDFs. I'll post the results of the survey when I close it .. probably sometime in December. http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1428578/Why-do-YOU-use-PDFs If you can spare a minute or two (really), I'd appreciate your input on this. Note that this is not specifically a Techcomm question, so feel free to forward to anyone who works with PDFs. Cheers, ...scott -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131028/188f55c8/attachment.html>
So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
Joseph, I would be grateful to be included in your explanation list. To the LaTex advocates: What version/product/learning tools and resources have you found most useful? I'm not at all interested in going back to some coding-oriented environment. It occurs to me that leaving FrameMaker cuts one's last tie to Adobe Acrobat, as well. One may need Acrobat to publish from Adobe applications, but not to publish from anyplace else, of which I am aware. Best to all, Elchanan From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM To: FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com Subject: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare Hi all, I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful. So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's One Right Tool. FrameMaker can be a great solution for some and if works for you then great. The reasons why I made this choice were driven by a specific business and use case There are many reasons for this but that would cause this post to grow quite large and I didn't want to flood this community with a gigantic post about why I am not using its tool anymore. That said, my experience of why and how i migrated may be of interest to others in this forum. If you'd like a detailed explanation and are curious to learn more, I would be happy to share those details with you offline. Feel free to email me. Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131028/26e5c27e/attachment.html>
So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare
VLM TechSubs wrote: > It occurs to me that leaving FrameMaker cuts one?s last tie to Adobe > Acrobat, as well. One may need Acrobat to publish from Adobe > applications, but not to publish from anyplace else, of which I am aware. Adobe applications don't tie you to Acrobat. FM includes a PDF-creation add-on (an Acrobat subset, of course) that can be installed or not, and can output in HTML, XML, too. Other Adobe programs have PDF capability built-in. There are third-party PDF creators out there, as well. Nobody needs PDF unless they want to create documents that will retain fonts and formatting to display identically on every computer. But if you want that, you want PDF-- and you probably want Acrobat because it is the most stable and full-featured. Mike Wickham
Structured FM11 Not translating horizontal tab character -
For FM 11 I had to add xml:space="preserve" to my root element, e.g. In addition when I had a multi-column table and I have an empty cell with a dotleader like ... to guide the eye across the cell I use a decimal tab. The tagging did not work. Frame determined there was nothing really in the cell. I added a non-breaking space
