date:20131030

Hi Yves,

 

You could do this with a script: Save each component as MIF and then combine 
them into a single MIF file. But the file wouldn't be valid; you wouldn't be 
able to open this MIF file with FrameMaker. What is the purpose for wanting to 
do this?

 

A workable approach would be to combine the contents of the book into a single, 
temporary FrameMaker file, then save this as MIF. It depends on what you are 
trying to accomplish. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. 
Thank you very much.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017 **NEW**

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

 

Hi group

Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a 
FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?


 

Thanks

-- 
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www.scripto.nu 

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RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread gr...@hedgewizard.net

My biggest kvetch about all the structured doc tools I've seen (and I've been
using them as far back as IBM's BookMaster) is that they generally output like
sausage machines.
All the text is simply extruded onto the page, with no awareness of how people
read documents or process information.

It is true that s ome output processors/digesters can be instructed on how to
handle things such as widows and orphans, and even some semi-intelligent
hyphenation.  But none of them (in my experience) produce layouts anywhere as
near good as what even a moderately-educated human can do. (kerning, leading,
knowing what chunks need to stay together to be useful, etc. )

Their output is OK for very small chunk information like help pages, but
dreadful for any document that requires more than that.
I'm not completely opposed to them; using such tools  helps writing teams
standardize things --- and DITA (as a philosophy of information organization)
does help rationalize what can otherwise be messy organization. And they can
help with reuse (but not as much as you might think, once you start factoring in
the overhead of finding the resuable chunks, and then writing around them so
that they don't read like an undigested lump in the middle of your prose!)

Grant

 On October 29, 2013 at 9:30 AM Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:


 Mike's comment is interesting light of the fact that many people are moving
 away from WSIWYG in this century. The whole XML-authoring world, with DITA,
 S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools.
 Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for
 output (for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going
 full circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting
 era. That is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always
 separated authoring and rendering.

 Rick Quatro

 ➢ Isn't LaTex a non-WYSIWYG application, though? I can't imagine working that
 way in this century. I don't think I've done that since Wordstar. :)

 ➢ Mike Wickham
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Re: Font info disappears from x-ref format

2013-10-30 Thread gr...@hedgewizard.net

Hi Klaus---
Is it safe to assume that the appearance and disappearance is not
machine-related?
(If it is, I'd look for installed fonts and system language differences.)
Are the char formats applied one on top of another (nested)? If so, there has
been issues with them getting stacked.
Also, is this just in FM, or when out put to PDF/paper/HTML?

Grant Hogarth

 On October 29, 2013 at 9:52 AM Klaus Daube fr...@daube.ch wrote:


 Dear all,

 In the FM documents (FM-9) of a customer a special symbol inside an x-ref
 format loses its font
 information - only from time to time, but quite frequently. The symbol is then
 displayed as 2
 rather than the page-symbol. Refreshing the screen with CTRL+l does not help.
 The only bypass is
 to save the document, close it and open it again. It happens on XP as well as
 on W7.

 The x-ref format:
 X:CrossRef$paranum,\ U:SpecialSymbolsU:Black2Default ¶
 FontX:CrossRef\ $chapnum-
 $pagenumDefault ¶ Font

 The character formats are:
 X:CrossRef Color blue, Pair Kern
 U:SpecialSymbols Wingdings, 9.0pt, others: as-is
 U:Black Color black, Pair Kern

 Could the reason be in the accumulation of character formats?

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Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Robert Lauriston

Lots of structured authoring tools, including FrameMaker, offer a
WYSIWYG presentation. I don't see people moving away from that since
it's a lot more efficient to fix formatting problems on the fly.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
 Mike's comment is interesting light of the fact that many people are moving 
 away from WSIWYG in this century. The whole XML-authoring world, with DITA, 
 S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools. 
 Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for 
 output (for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going 
 full circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting 
 era. That is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always 
 separated authoring and rendering.
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Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Norton

Rick Quatro wrote:

Mike's comment is interesting light of the fact that many people are moving 
away from WSIWYG in this century. The whole XML-authoring world, with DITA, 
S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools. 
Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for output 
(for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going full 
circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting era. That 
is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always separated 
authoring and rendering.

As someone who started out in the days of WordPerfect 1.0 (for DG) and mark-up 
languages. The thought of going back to that environment seems strange. I too 
have been disappointed with Frame's progress under Adobe's tutelage, but I'd 
still rather use it than any other tool out there. Flare is an interesting 
option though and I hope to hear the reasons why that move was made. At a 
previous gig, we adopted Flare as our HAT and looked into moving to it 
completely. The PDF publishing capabilities we wanted were not there at that 
time and there were some issues with bugs. Perhaps that has improved now. If I 
remember correctly, Flare wasn't exactly cheap either.

The ability to format the text I'm working with and merge pictures I can see 
and annotate into it has never hindered my ability to write. Layout and design 
are part of the message I am trying to deliver.




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OT: Image Manipuation Help

Hello Framers,

I have a series of images that are color photos of a three-dimensional,
cream colored object. The objects have clipping paths around them and sit on
a dark background. I have some new images that I need to incorporate into
the layout, but their color is a different cast, more gray than the other
cream images.

I would like to apply the original color to the new images. It would be best
if this could be done in the InDesign document, but if necessary, I can do
it in Photoshop. I just need to know the best approach. Any help would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Rick

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RE: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

What is the use case for doing this?

-FR

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:25:11 +0100
Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?
From: yves.barb...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hi group

Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a 
FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?
Thanks
-- 

Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

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Re: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

2013-10-30 Thread Art Campbell

Rick actually wrote a FS for me to do this several years ago -- works
great.
I believe the use case was that conversion to either a single HTML or Word
file was required by the customer. :- )

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 What is the use case for doing this?

 -FR

 --
 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:25:11 +0100

 Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?
 From: yves.barb...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 Hi group

 Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a
 FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?

 Thanks
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RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish

Hi Michael,

 

My comment was made as an observation, not necessarily an endorsement. I
really like FrameMaker's hybrid approach: you can have structure (XML) and
WSIWYG at the same time. Also, FrameMaker's EDD model for context-sensitive
formatting of structured is brilliant.

 

I also like the print-engine model: author and edit in any XML tool you
want and use FrameMaker (or InDesign) as a rendering engine for your
high-quality print and PDF output.

 

Rick

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Norton
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:26 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish

 

Rick Quatro wrote:

 

Mike's comment is interesting light of the fact that many people are moving
away from WSIWYG in this century. The whole XML-authoring world, with
DITA, S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools.
Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for
output (for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going
full circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting
era. That is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always
separated authoring and rendering.

 

As someone who started out in the days of WordPerfect 1.0 (for DG) and
mark-up languages. The thought of going back to that environment seems
strange. I too have been disappointed with Frame's progress under Adobe's
tutelage, but I'd still rather use it than any other tool out there. Flare
is an interesting option though and I hope to hear the reasons why that move
was made. At a previous gig, we adopted Flare as our HAT and looked into
moving to it completely. The PDF publishing capabilities we wanted were not
there at that time and there were some issues with bugs. Perhaps that has
improved now. If I remember correctly, Flare wasn't exactly cheap either.

 

The ability to format the text I'm working with and merge pictures I can see
and annotate into it has never hindered my ability to write. Layout and
design are part of the message I am trying to deliver. 

 

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RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

No, he's saying that TeX Live (the name is officially two words, BTW, which is 
kind of refreshing in the CamelCaseWorld of TeX and LaTeX) is a *distribution* 
of TeX, in the same sense that Debian and Ubuntu and Fedora (from Red Hat) are 
distributions of Linux. TeX Live is a collection of non-proprietary tools, 
utilities, and packages (the official TeX name for macro add-ons that enhance 
functionality by adding new commands, options, and formatting capabilities) 
from diverse sources that is wrapped up as a unified installation. TeX Live 
includes an editor, but it is not their own tool; for the Windows and OS X TeX 
Live distributions, the included editor is TeXworks. 

TeX Live is probably the most widely used TeX distribution because it is the 
default TeX distro in most of the major Linux distributions and several Unix 
distributions. But there are other popular TeX distros, too. For example, some 
groups at my current employer have a Doxygen-based document generation process 
used that is built around the MiKTeX distribution, which uses the TeXnicCenter 
editor. And there is a kind of super-distribution for Mac OS X (MacTeX) that 
includes the whole TeX Live distro along with an alternative editor (TeXShop), 
a bibliography manager, and some other Mac-specific TeX tools. 

Distros don't make it as simple as keeping track of a version number and a 
patch number for a single tool, but at least they provides some consistency and 
coordination in the TeX chaos of hundreds of separate pieces of software from 
dozens of different sources...

-Fred Ridder


 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:46:18 +0200
 From: shmue...@gmail.com
 To: a...@alphabyte.co.nz; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker 
 to Flare
 
 Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an editor 
 like TeXstudio?
 Is it compatible with TeXstudio?
 Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text editor?
 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133
 
 On 29-Oct-13 8:15 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
  Hiya,
 
  TeXLive is a distribution of the TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX, etc. 
  typesetting systems. It is multiplatform (that is, it can be used on 
  vertualy all computer platforms). The main installation schemes are 
  for Windows and Mac but many others also exist for various linux 
  flavours.
 
  It is free and can be installed from the net, by downloading the iso 
  and making a dvd or mounting and installing from there, or by joining 
  TUG and getting a free DVD with your membership.
 
  Regular/constant updates are obtained from a range of ctan mirror 
  sites around the globe.
 
  The LaTeX, etc. typesetting systems are really a composition of macros 
  (packages) and various supporting binaries built upon the TeX 
  typesetting system. The packages are binaries are all supported by and 
  army of volunteers and there is a mechanism for additional packages to 
  be contributed. That means if you area having issues with a package 
  you can often email the maintainer direct or you can open it in a text 
  editor and fix it yourself if you are skilled.
 
  Traditionally, TeX has used the ASCII character set but more modern 
  systems now use all available font systems, for example LuaTeX and 
  XeTeX are designed to use OpenType fonts.
 
  Other packages allow for output to multimedia players too.
 
  Alan
 
 
  On 29/10/13 9:54 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
  What exactly is TeXLiv? They don't explain it very well on the site.
 
  Regards,
  Shmuel Wolfson
  052-763-7133
 
  On 28-Oct-13 8:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
  Interestingly, Syed's comments mirror my own trajectory but I have 
  been using LaTeX et al for as long as I have been using FrameMaker.
 
  I doubt I will be moving past version 10 unless my clients continue 
  to request I upgrade (to match compatibility with their software). I 
  doubt I will be taking any short term licensing options because 
  files are not created for short term use.
 
  Importantly for me, TeXLive is free and has a strong and vibrant 
  user base.
 
  Alan
 
 
 
  On 29/10/13 7:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
 
  Hi, Joseph.
 
  You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker … if you look 
  at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I 
  have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list 
  for old times sake, though. J
 
  Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail – 
  would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) 
  recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been 
  done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet 
  announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, 
  and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) 
  from their multi-year update licensing system.
 
  Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in

Re: OT: Image Manipuation Help

2013-10-30 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 2013-Oct-30 7:47 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hello Framers,

I have a series of images that are color photos of a three-dimensional,
cream colored object. The objects have clipping paths around them and sit on
a dark background. I have some new images that I need to incorporate into
the layout, but their color is a different cast, more gray than the other
cream images.

I would like to apply the original color to the new images. It would be best
if this could be done in the InDesign document, but if necessary, I can do
it in Photoshop. I just need to know the best approach. Any help would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Rick




I'm not familiar with InDesign, but Photoshop has a colour replacement 
tool that should do the trick. There's lots of help and tutorials on the 
Web, just google color substitution in photoshop


HTH,

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RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

Fred,

You have described TeX Live very well, so I will only add a few more words 
based on my recent experiences with it.


1.  Although there are a few distributions listed on the CTAN web site, the 
TeX Live package has proven effective for me, even though they recommended a 
different one for Windows.

2.  The download is large.

3.  It was easy to install.

4.  You can get confused about which packages to install - my solution was 
simple: install everything! :)

5.  Periodically running the TeX Live manager to update packages is simple. 
It hides the complexity of maintaining versions, etc.

a.  Updates are incremental - only the packages that have changed are 
downloaded and added.

6.  After installing TeX Live, I used the included TeXworks editor for a 
few days and chose to look for an alternative.

7.  I settled on TeXstudio because of a few reasons (which may not apply to 
everybody, of course):

a.  Has an excellent mechanism to manage included input files - 
conceptually similar to a book in FrameMaker.

b.  Very easy addition of simpler LaTeX commands into the input files using 
menu buttons.

c.  As you type, an entry completion system allows finding and adding the 
LaTeX instruction and parameters very easily.

d.  The usual color-coded GUI editor to separate LaTeX commands from your 
own text.

e.  Rapid PDF generation. On my year-old laptop, generates PDF from 100 
page docs in 1 or 2 seconds. The screen automatically splits to show source and 
PDF side-by-side instantly.

f.   Super-fast ability to see the PDF output from changes to the input 
source text.

g.  Mouse menu items to jump to the source for this line of PDF output 
and jump to the PDF for this line of source text.

Hope this helps,

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:52 AM
To: shmu...@excalibur.co.il; Alan Litchfield; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to 
Flare

No, he's saying that TeX Live (the name is officially two words, BTW, which is 
kind of refreshing in the CamelCaseWorld of TeX and LaTeX) is a *distribution* 
of TeX, in the same sense that Debian and Ubuntu and Fedora (from Red Hat) are 
distributions of Linux. TeX Live is a collection of non-proprietary tools, 
utilities, and packages (the official TeX name for macro add-ons that enhance 
functionality by adding new commands, options, and formatting capabilities) 
from diverse sources that is wrapped up as a unified installation. TeX Live 
includes an editor, but it is not their own tool; for the Windows and OS X TeX 
Live distributions, the included editor is TeXworks.

TeX Live is probably the most widely used TeX distribution because it is the 
default TeX distro in most of the major Linux distributions and several Unix 
distributions. But there are other popular TeX distros, too. For example, some 
groups at my current employer have a Doxygen-based document generation process 
used that is built around the MiKTeX distribution, which uses the TeXnicCenter 
editor. And there is a kind of super-distribution for Mac OS X (MacTeX) that 
includes the whole TeX Live distro along with an alternative editor (TeXShop), 
a bibliography manager, and some other Mac-specific TeX tools.

Distros don't make it as simple as keeping track of a version number and a 
patch number for a single tool, but at least they provides some consistency and 
coordination in the TeX chaos of hundreds of separate pieces of software from 
dozens of different sources...

-Fred Ridder

 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:46:18 +0200
 From: shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com
 To: a...@alphabyte.co.nzmailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to 
 Flare

 Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an editor
 like TeXstudio?
 Is it compatible with TeXstudio?
 Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text editor?

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

 On 29-Oct-13 8:15 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
  Hiya,
 
  TeXLive is a distribution of the TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX, etc.
  typesetting systems. It is multiplatform (that is, it can be used on
  vertualy all computer platforms). The main installation schemes are
  for Windows and Mac but many others also exist for various linux
  flavours.
 
  It is free and can be installed from the net, by downloading the iso
  and making a dvd or mounting and installing from there, or by joining
  TUG and getting a free DVD with your membership.
 
  Regular/constant updates are obtained from a range of ctan mirror
  sites around the globe.
 
  The LaTeX, etc. typesetting systems are really a composition of macros
  (packages) and

FW: OT: Image Manipuation Help

2013-10-30 Thread Craig, Alison

Rick:



I forwarded your e-mail to our graphics guys and he sent me a couple of 
responses.



Alison





-Original Message-
From: Jimmy


Maybe something like this: 
http://blog.lynda.com/2012/02/23/indesign-fx-creative-blend-mode-tricks/





-Original Message-

From: Jimmy

Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM



HI Alison.



I would rather do it in Photoshop because you have more control.



But it can be done in InDesign.



If he has a clipping path, I think he can create another shape of a solid 
colour of top of the image. Then using blending modes, he can change the hue 
and saturation by experimenting.



I use this technique to turn color logos into b/w in  InDesign.



Jimmy





-Original Message-

From: Craig, Alison

Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:32 AM

To: Lieu, Jimmy

Subject: FW: Image Manipuation Help

Importance: High



Jimmy:



Any chance you can send me some tips so I can forward them to Rick? He's picked 
up the phone to call me from New York 8-10 times when I've had questions. I'd 
like to return the favour.



Alison



-Original Message-

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro

Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:48 AM

To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: OT: Image Manipuation Help



Hello Framers,



I have a series of images that are color photos of a three-dimensional, cream 
colored object. The objects have clipping paths around them and sit on a dark 
background. I have some new images that I need to incorporate into the layout, 
but their color is a different cast, more gray than the other cream images.



I would like to apply the original color to the new images. It would be best if 
this could be done in the InDesign document, but if necessary, I can do it in 
Photoshop. I just need to know the best approach. Any help would be 
appreciated. Thanks.



Rick



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Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017 **NEW**

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Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare


While others have answered your question I too would add:
FrameMaker used to have all these interfaces that you would open to 
perform work of various kinds, running as separate programs, kind of. 
TeX and friends do that too. In that sense, you can use whatever text 
editor/interface you prefer. There are commercial authoring tools 
available, such as Scientific Word and I prefer TeXShop on the Mac (it 
does all the things that Syed mentioned).


For the two main platforms, MiKTeX is included for Windows and MacTeX 
for the Mac. The directory tree is almost identical but 
programs/binaries are compiled for each system. Some programs are 
available for several platforms, such as TeXWorks (an editor/interface) 
and all the core programs for parsing TeX files and generating (mainly) 
pdf's. There are also some different programs available for each 
platform for handling tasks like bibliography management.


As Syed mentioned, TeXLive has become the most widely used distribution 
but that is because it provides a consistent directory structure and 
rules for management that are enforced by the team of volunteers who 
look after it. There are also a number of forks for more specific 
applications (such as automated print functions and print on demand).


Alan


On 30/10/13 8:46 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an 
editor like TeXstudio?

Is it compatible with TeXstudio?
Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text 
editor?


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 29-Oct-13 8:15 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:

Hiya,

TeXLive is a distribution of the TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX, etc. 
typesetting systems. It is multiplatform (that is, it can be used on 
vertualy all computer platforms). The main installation schemes are 
for Windows and Mac but many others also exist for various linux 
flavours.


It is free and can be installed from the net, by downloading the iso 
and making a dvd or mounting and installing from there, or by joining 
TUG and getting a free DVD with your membership.


Regular/constant updates are obtained from a range of ctan mirror 
sites around the globe.


The LaTeX, etc. typesetting systems are really a composition of 
macros (packages) and various supporting binaries built upon the TeX 
typesetting system. The packages are binaries are all supported by 
and army of volunteers and there is a mechanism for additional 
packages to be contributed. That means if you area having issues with 
a package you can often email the maintainer direct or you can open 
it in a text editor and fix it yourself if you are skilled.


Traditionally, TeX has used the ASCII character set but more modern 
systems now use all available font systems, for example LuaTeX and 
XeTeX are designed to use OpenType fonts.


Other packages allow for output to multimedia players too.

Alan


On 29/10/13 9:54 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

What exactly is TeXLiv? They don't explain it very well on the site.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 28-Oct-13 8:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
Interestingly, Syed's comments mirror my own trajectory but I have 
been using LaTeX et al for as long as I have been using FrameMaker.


I doubt I will be moving past version 10 unless my clients continue 
to request I upgrade (to match compatibility with their software). 
I doubt I will be taking any short term licensing options because 
files are not created for short term use.


Importantly for me, TeXLive is free and has a strong and vibrant 
user base.


Alan



On 29/10/13 7:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:


Hi, Joseph.

You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker … if you 
look at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although 
I have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list 
for old times sake, though. J


Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail – 
would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) 
recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have 
been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet 
announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, 
and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of 
licenses) from their multi-year update licensing system.


Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am 
/only/ using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if 
the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a 
couple of days – even for the large documents – and then I am fine 
for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from 
FrameMaker.


However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks 
quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they 
made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, 
I would do it! J)


For now, /for my needs (which may not apply to everybody)/, a 
combination of

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

Hiya,

TeXLive is a distribution of the TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX, etc. 
typesetting systems. It is multiplatform (that is, it can be used on 
vertualy all computer platforms). The main installation schemes are for 
Windows and Mac but many others also exist for various linux flavours.

It is free and can be installed from the net, by downloading the iso and 
making a dvd or mounting and installing from there, or by joining TUG 
and getting a free DVD with your membership.

Regular/constant updates are obtained from a range of ctan mirror sites 
around the globe.

The LaTeX, etc. typesetting systems are really a composition of macros 
(packages) and various supporting binaries built upon the TeX 
typesetting system. The packages are binaries are all supported by and 
army of volunteers and there is a mechanism for additional packages to 
be contributed. That means if you area having issues with a package you 
can often email the maintainer direct or you can open it in a text 
editor and fix it yourself if you are skilled.

Traditionally, TeX has used the ASCII character set but more modern 
systems now use all available font systems, for example LuaTeX and XeTeX 
are designed to use OpenType fonts.

Other packages allow for output to multimedia players too.

Alan


On 29/10/13 9:54 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> What exactly is TeXLiv? They don't explain it very well on the site.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 28-Oct-13 8:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>> Interestingly, Syed's comments mirror my own trajectory but I have 
>> been using LaTeX et al for as long as I have been using FrameMaker.
>>
>> I doubt I will be moving past version 10 unless my clients continue 
>> to request I upgrade (to match compatibility with their software). I 
>> doubt I will be taking any short term licensing options because files 
>> are not created for short term use.
>>
>> Importantly for me, TeXLive is free and has a strong and vibrant user 
>> base.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29/10/13 7:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Joseph.
>>>
>>> You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker ? if you look 
>>> at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I have 
>>> been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list for old 
>>> times sake, though. J
>>>
>>> Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail ? 
>>> would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) 
>>> recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been 
>>> done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet 
>>> announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, 
>>> and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) 
>>> from their multi-year update licensing system.
>>>
>>> Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am 
>>> /only/ using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if 
>>> the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a 
>>> couple of days ? even for the large documents ? and then I am fine 
>>> for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from 
>>> FrameMaker.
>>>
>>> However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks 
>>> quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made 
>>> me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I would 
>>> do it! J)
>>>
>>> For now, /for my needs (which may not apply to everybody)/, a 
>>> combination of Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 
>>> pages), and LaTex (for large multi-hundred page specifications) is 
>>> proving quite workable. Not perfect, and not as flexible as 
>>> FrameMaker, but the costly ?upgrades? of FrameMaker is not 
>>> acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker.
>>>
>>> BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve **complete** 
>>> look-and-feel consistency in my specifications ? formatting is 
>>> separate from text entry ? and I value that highly. It was my reason 
>>> for selecting FrameMaker over Word about 12 years ago for my current 
>>> company.
>>>
>>> Regards, and good luck!
>>>
>>> Z
>>>
>>> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph 
>>> Lorenzini
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM
>>> *To:* FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from 
>>> FrameMaker to Flare
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce 
>>> thousands of pages of documentation. And I honestly thought that FM 
>>> was a great tool...for a time. Plus, the community was super helpful.
>>>
>>> So its with some regret that I am telling you that I am leaving this 
>>> community and the TCS suite. I am adopting Flare as a replacement. 
>>> Please note I am no evangelist of Flare nor do I think that there's

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

Unless/when print technologies change, then you might need that step. 
Until then your existing Acrobat will continue to work with the old 
license. I still run a #8 version on an old computer.

Alan



On 30/10/13 5:54 AM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> I'm in that crowd, too. My books go to press and I use Acrobat to 
> generate my PDF. I'm sure third party choices could work well, too, 
> but I prefer Acrobat. (That could change if Adobe takes it to a 
> subscription-only model.)
>
> Mike Wickham
>
> On 10/29/2013 10:14 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>> At 21:02 -0500 28/10/13, Mike Wickham wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody needs PDF unless they want to create documents that will 
>>> retain fonts and formatting to display identically on every 
>>> computer. But if you want that, you want PDF-- and you probably want 
>>> Acrobat because it is the most stable and full-featured.
>> Those of us who take books to press are tied to PDF/Acrobat, as it's 
>> become pretty much the mandatory pre-press format.
>>
>
>
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So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare


On 30/10/13 7:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> PDF generation with intra-document references is one of the limitations in 
> Adobe Acrobat equivalents from other sources (when used with FrameMaker) - 
> Rick Quatro had mentioned this in a response to one of my earlier posts too.
>
> However, from TeXstudio (i.e., when using LaTeX), I can get intra-document 
> references to work sufficiently well (not perfectly, I admit) in PDF output, 
> so I stopped searching for an alternative to Adobe Acrobat. FWIW, now, the 
> only reason Acrobat gets used on my system is because I have been too lazy to 
> remove it as the "default" app when I look at a PDF, or when I generate PDF 
> output from an old FrameMaker doc.

hyperref is your friend :)

http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/hyperref/

Alan

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So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an editor 
like TeXstudio?
Is it compatible with TeXstudio?
Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text editor?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 29-Oct-13 8:15 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> TeXLive is a distribution of the TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX, etc. 
> typesetting systems. It is multiplatform (that is, it can be used on 
> vertualy all computer platforms). The main installation schemes are 
> for Windows and Mac but many others also exist for various linux 
> flavours.
>
> It is free and can be installed from the net, by downloading the iso 
> and making a dvd or mounting and installing from there, or by joining 
> TUG and getting a free DVD with your membership.
>
> Regular/constant updates are obtained from a range of ctan mirror 
> sites around the globe.
>
> The LaTeX, etc. typesetting systems are really a composition of macros 
> (packages) and various supporting binaries built upon the TeX 
> typesetting system. The packages are binaries are all supported by and 
> army of volunteers and there is a mechanism for additional packages to 
> be contributed. That means if you area having issues with a package 
> you can often email the maintainer direct or you can open it in a text 
> editor and fix it yourself if you are skilled.
>
> Traditionally, TeX has used the ASCII character set but more modern 
> systems now use all available font systems, for example LuaTeX and 
> XeTeX are designed to use OpenType fonts.
>
> Other packages allow for output to multimedia players too.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 29/10/13 9:54 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>> What exactly is TeXLiv? They don't explain it very well on the site.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> 052-763-7133
>>
>> On 28-Oct-13 8:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>>> Interestingly, Syed's comments mirror my own trajectory but I have 
>>> been using LaTeX et al for as long as I have been using FrameMaker.
>>>
>>> I doubt I will be moving past version 10 unless my clients continue 
>>> to request I upgrade (to match compatibility with their software). I 
>>> doubt I will be taking any short term licensing options because 
>>> files are not created for short term use.
>>>
>>> Importantly for me, TeXLive is free and has a strong and vibrant 
>>> user base.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/10/13 7:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

 Hi, Joseph.

 You are not the only one who is abandoning FrameMaker ? if you look 
 at my posts in the past months, I have done the same although I 
 have been using it since 1988 off and on. I am still on the list 
 for old times sake, though. J

 Please do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail ? 
 would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) 
 recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have been 
 done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe trend (albeit not yet 
 announced for FrameMaker) to SAAS as the only licensing mechanism, 
 and (c) their abandonment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) 
 from their multi-year update licensing system.

 Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am 
 /only/ using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if 
 the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a 
 couple of days ? even for the large documents ? and then I am fine 
 for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from 
 FrameMaker.

 However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks 
 quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they 
 made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I 
 would do it! J)

 For now, /for my needs (which may not apply to everybody)/, a 
 combination of Word 2013 for short documents (less than 10 to 20 
 pages), and LaTex (for large multi-hundred page specifications) is 
 proving quite workable. Not perfect, and not as flexible as 
 FrameMaker, but the costly ?upgrades? of FrameMaker is not 
 acceptable, and the trend to equally costly SAAS is a deal-breaker.

 BTW, LaTeX in particular allows me to achieve **complete** 
 look-and-feel consistency in my specifications ? formatting is 
 separate from text entry ? and I value that highly. It was my 
 reason for selecting FrameMaker over Word about 12 years ago for my 
 current company.

 Regards, and good luck!

 Z

 *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph 
 Lorenzini
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13 AM
 *To:* FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from 
 FrameMaker to Flare

 Hi all,

 I

Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

2013-10-30 Thread Yves Barbion

Hi group

Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a
FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?

Thanks
-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
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Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

Hi Yves,



You could do this with a script: Save each component as MIF and then combine 
them into a single MIF file. But the file wouldn't be "valid"; you wouldn't be 
able to open this MIF file with FrameMaker. What is the purpose for wanting to 
do this?



A workable approach would be to combine the contents of the book into a single, 
temporary FrameMaker file, then save this as MIF. It depends on what you are 
trying to accomplish. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. 
Thank you very much.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017 **NEW**

rick at frameexpert.com







From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:25 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?



Hi group

Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a 
FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?




Thanks

-- 
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www.scripto.nu 

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So Long and Thanks for the Fish

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Norton

Rick Quatro wrote:

"Mike's comment is interesting light of the fact that many people are moving
away from WSIWYG "in this century." The whole XML-authoring world, with DITA,
S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools.
Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for output
(for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going full
circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting era. That
is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always separated
authoring and rendering."

As someone who started out in the days of WordPerfect 1.0 (for DG) and mark-up
languages. The thought of going back to that environment seems strange. I too
have been disappointed with Frame's progress under Adobe's tutelage, but I'd
still rather use it than any other tool out there. Flare is an interesting
option though and I hope to hear the reasons why that move was made. At a
previous gig, we adopted Flare as our HAT and looked into moving to it
completely. The PDF publishing capabilities we wanted were not there at that
time and there were some issues with bugs. Perhaps that has improved now. If I
remember correctly, Flare wasn't exactly cheap either.

The ability to format the text I'm working with and merge pictures I can see
and annotate into it has never hindered my ability to write. Layout and design
are part of the message I am trying to deliver.

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OT: Image Manipuation Help

Hello Framers,

I have a series of images that are color photos of a three-dimensional,
cream colored object. The objects have clipping paths around them and sit on
a dark background. I have some new images that I need to incorporate into
the layout, but their color is a different "cast", more gray than the other
cream images.

I would like to apply the original color to the new images. It would be best
if this could be done in the InDesign document, but if necessary, I can do
it in Photoshop. I just need to know the best approach. Any help would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017 **NEW**
rick at frameexpert.com

Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

What is the use case for doing this?

-FR

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:25:11 +0100
Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?
From: yves.barb...@gmail.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Hi group

Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a 
FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?
Thanks
-- 

Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

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Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?

2013-10-30 Thread Art Campbell

Rick actually wrote a FS for me to do this several years ago -- works
great.
I believe the use case was that conversion to either a single HTML or Word
file was required by the customer. :- )

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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> What is the use case for doing this?
>
> -FR
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:25:11 +0100
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> Subject: Save all files in a FrameMaker book in a single MIF file?
> From: yves.barbion at gmail.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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>
> Hi group
>
> Is there a way (MIF2Go, Framescript, Extendscript) to save all files in a
> FrameMaker book as a single MIF file?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu
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So Long and Thanks for the Fish

Hi Michael,



My comment was made as an observation, not necessarily an endorsement. I
really like FrameMaker's "hybrid" approach: you can have structure (XML) and
WSIWYG at the same time. Also, FrameMaker's EDD model for context-sensitive
formatting of structured is brilliant.



I also like the "print-engine" model: author and edit in any XML tool you
want and use FrameMaker (or InDesign) as a rendering engine for your
high-quality print and PDF output.



Rick



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Norton
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:26 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish



Rick Quatro wrote:



"Mike's comment is interesting light of the fact that many people are moving
away from WSIWYG "in this century." The whole XML-authoring world, with
DITA, S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools.
Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for
output (for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going
full circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting
era. That is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always
separated authoring and rendering."



As someone who started out in the days of WordPerfect 1.0 (for DG) and
mark-up languages. The thought of going back to that environment seems
strange. I too have been disappointed with Frame's progress under Adobe's
tutelage, but I'd still rather use it than any other tool out there. Flare
is an interesting option though and I hope to hear the reasons why that move
was made. At a previous gig, we adopted Flare as our HAT and looked into
moving to it completely. The PDF publishing capabilities we wanted were not
there at that time and there were some issues with bugs. Perhaps that has
improved now. If I remember correctly, Flare wasn't exactly cheap either.



The ability to format the text I'm working with and merge pictures I can see
and annotate into it has never hindered my ability to write. Layout and
design are part of the message I am trying to deliver. 



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So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare