RE: Blank pages
Also, if you have a master page for blank pages, make sure it doesn't have a text box on it that is set to be editable on the body pages. That had me pulling my hair out a few weeks ago. Lisa From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: 03 12, 2014 10:12 AM To: Pam Harper; framers Subject: RE: Blank pages Make sure your pagination setting select Next Available Page rather than Read From File. Craig From: phar...@bailiwick.commailto:phar...@bailiwick.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Blank pages Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:15:28 + I have all of my books set for single-sided with Delete Empty Pages. Lately extra blank pages are showing on many documents even after I save (which almost always clears out empty pages) or select Remove Overrides when going from master view to page view (another reliable way for deleting extra pages). But they still remain, and I can only get rid of them manually. I use Frame 10 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Today I worked on a 100 page file where the document shrank considerably to about 50 pages. And again, even after saving and generating the book, the extra pages still remained. These pages show after the end of the section mark. What could be causing this? Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Master Page vs Body Page Text Boxes - How to Auto-Delete Blanks?
Hello Fellow Framers, I am having a dilemma with Master Page Issues. FrameMaker 10, Structured. I've been using FrameMaker for 15 years and never run across this issue. The left and right master pages have a text box in the footer area set to be editable on the body pages. This is needed to track various revision dates. When tags are displayed and edited, etc., more pages are added to accommodate the expansion of data as they normally would be. But, when the tags are turned off and it's time to create the output file (either printed or PDF), the additional pages cannot be deleted because Frame doesn't see them as Empty. The text box from the master pages is still on each of the additional pages. The pagination is set to Delete Empty Pages. I have tried creating a blank master page with and without the same and different text flows, tried disconnecting the pages, and every other trick I know. Maybe I've just been looking at this for too long, but if anyone can point out something obvious that I am missing, please help! Thanks in Advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst O'NEIL ASSOCIATES, INC.http://www.oneil.com 495 Byers Rd. Miamisburg, Ohio 45342-3662 Office: (937) 865-0846 ext. 3709 Fax: (937) 865-5858 E-mail: lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com REVOLUTIONIZING DOCUMENTATION POWERING PRODUCT SUPPORT ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
External Linking - Cross-ref or Hyperlink?
Hello All, FrameMaker 10, Unstructured. A co-worker has a 3 volume set of manuals and needs to create links between various files within the manual sets. I can make the links work using a cross-reference easily but it creates an absolute link path. These links will obviously not work when delivered to her customer. Is there a way to force Frame (and the resulting PDF file) to use a relative path instead? I see where that's an option using a hyperlink but it seems like it should be possible in a cross-ref. She has literally hundreds of these links to do so I'm trying to find her the easiest way accomplish her task. Please note that we are not in a position to write a script at this time and she will be maintaining these manuals for at least the short term anyway. We appreciate any tips you can provide! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
External Linking - Cross-ref or Hyperlink?
Hello All, FrameMaker 10, Unstructured. A co-worker has a 3 volume set of manuals and needs to create links between various files within the manual sets. I can make the links work using a cross-reference easily but it creates an absolute link path. These links will obviously not work when delivered to her customer. Is there a way to force Frame (and the resulting PDF file) to use a relative path instead? I see where that's an option using a hyperlink but it seems like it should be possible in a cross-ref. She has literally hundreds of these links to do so I'm trying to find her the easiest way accomplish her task. Please note that we are not in a position to write a script at this time and she will be maintaining these manuals for at least the short term anyway. We appreciate any tips you can provide! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130814/ae9dd9ae/attachment.html>
RE: Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.
I am using the Initial Table Format/All Contexts Rule option within my table
definition in my EDD to apply the table style. I have tried to change the table
in my template using Custom Ruling and Update All with Remove All Overrides.
The table looks fine in the template.
When I do the conversion the bottom ruling is back. When I look at the settings
in the Custom Ruling dialog box (with the offending row highlighted),
everything is From Table except the Bottom. It says Thin and there is an
asterisk by the bottom ruling with an explanation saying that it is Overridden
by adjacent cell.
I don't recall ever seeing that before.
Thank you,
Lisa
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Sent: 07 17, 2013 10:06 PM
To: Lisa Freeman
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com List
Subject: Re: Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.
Lisa, have you tried assigning a table format rather than explicitly formatting
the row?
-Matt
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On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Lisa Freeman
lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com wrote:
I am using read write rules along with my EDD, etc. to convert XML to
structured FrameMaker files. Is anyone familiar with using RW rules to control
the row ruling within multiple heading rows? I am able to get the 2nd heading
line in with a mix of xml tagging and my rules. What I'm having an issue with
is that the first heading row has to have lines at the top and bottom, but the
2nd heading row has the line at the top but not at the bottom. I've looked in
every Developer reference I can find and what I have in my rules should be
working according to them. Below is a portion of my RW rules. Can anyone save
my sanity?
element PartsTableHeadingRow
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is 1;
}
element PartsTableHeadingRow2
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is 0;
}
For each cell in the first heading row I have:
element THCELL1
{
is fm table cell element THCELL1;
fm property column number value is 1;
fm property row ruling value is 1;
fm property row type value is PartsTableHeadRow;
}
.
For each cell in the second heading row I have:
element THCELL21
{
is fm table cell element THCELL21;
fm property column number value is 1;
fm property row ruling value is 0;
fm property row type value is PartsTableHeadRow2;
}
Thank you in advance for any assistance!
Lisa
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
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Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.
I am using the Initial Table Format/All Contexts Rule option within my table
definition in my EDD to apply the table style. I have tried to change the table
in my template using Custom Ruling and Update All with Remove All Overrides.
The table looks fine in the template.
When I do the conversion the bottom ruling is back. When I look at the settings
in the Custom Ruling dialog box (with the offending row highlighted),
everything is From Table except the Bottom. It says Thin and there is an
asterisk by the bottom ruling with an explanation saying that it is "Overridden
by adjacent cell".
I don't recall ever seeing that before.
Thank you,
Lisa
From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 07 17, 2013 10:06 PM
To: Lisa Freeman
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Subject: Re: Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.
Lisa, have you tried assigning a table format rather than explicitly formatting
the row?
-Matt
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On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Lisa Freeman mailto:Lfreeman at oneil.com>> wrote:
I am using read write rules along with my EDD, etc. to convert XML to
structured FrameMaker files. Is anyone familiar with using RW rules to control
the row ruling within multiple heading rows? I am able to get the 2nd heading
line in with a mix of xml tagging and my rules. What I'm having an issue with
is that the first heading row has to have lines at the top and bottom, but the
2nd heading row has the line at the top but not at the bottom. I've looked in
every Developer reference I can find and what I have in my rules should be
working according to them. Below is a portion of my RW rules. Can anyone save
my sanity?
element "PartsTableHeadingRow"
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is "1";
}
element "PartsTableHeadingRow2"
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is "0";
}
For each cell in the first heading row I have:
element "THCELL1"
{
is fm table cell element "THCELL1";
fm property column number value is "1";
fm property row ruling value is "1";
fm property row type value is "PartsTableHeadRow";
}
.
For each cell in the second heading row I have:
element "THCELL21"
{
is fm table cell element "THCELL21";
fm property column number value is "1";
fm property row ruling value is "0";
fm property row type value is "PartsTableHeadRow2";
}
Thank you in advance for any assistance!
Lisa
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
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Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.
I am using read write rules along with my EDD, etc. to convert XML to
structured FrameMaker files. Is anyone familiar with using RW rules to control
the row ruling within multiple heading rows? I am able to get the 2nd heading
line in with a mix of xml tagging and my rules. What I'm having an issue with
is that the first heading row has to have lines at the top and bottom, but the
2nd heading row has the line at the top but not at the bottom. I've looked in
every Developer reference I can find and what I have in my rules should be
working according to them. Below is a portion of my RW rules. Can anyone save
my sanity?
element PartsTableHeadingRow
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is 1;
}
element PartsTableHeadingRow2
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is 0;
}
For each cell in the first heading row I have:
element THCELL1
{
is fm table cell element THCELL1;
fm property column number value is 1;
fm property row ruling value is 1;
fm property row type value is PartsTableHeadRow;
}
.
For each cell in the second heading row I have:
element THCELL21
{
is fm table cell element THCELL21;
fm property column number value is 1;
fm property row ruling value is 0;
fm property row type value is PartsTableHeadRow2;
}
Thank you in advance for any assistance!
Lisa
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
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Custom Ruling in Multiple Table Headings using Read write rules.
I am using read write rules along with my EDD, etc. to convert XML to
structured FrameMaker files. Is anyone familiar with using RW rules to control
the row ruling within multiple heading rows? I am able to get the 2nd heading
line in with a mix of xml tagging and my rules. What I'm having an issue with
is that the first heading row has to have lines at the top and bottom, but the
2nd heading row has the line at the top but not at the bottom. I've looked in
every Developer reference I can find and what I have in my rules should be
working according to them. Below is a portion of my RW rules. Can anyone save
my sanity?
element "PartsTableHeadingRow"
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is "1";
}
element "PartsTableHeadingRow2"
{
is fm table row element;
fm property row ruling value is "0";
}
For each cell in the first heading row I have:
element "THCELL1"
{
is fm table cell element "THCELL1";
fm property column number value is "1";
fm property row ruling value is "1";
fm property row type value is "PartsTableHeadRow";
}
.
For each cell in the second heading row I have:
element "THCELL21"
{
is fm table cell element "THCELL21";
fm property column number value is "1";
fm property row ruling value is "0";
fm property row type value is "PartsTableHeadRow2";
}
Thank you in advance for any assistance!
Lisa
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
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Can a variable be used in a numbering scheme in Frame V8?
Hello All, I have structured books in FrameMaker version 8 (customer requirement) and am having difficulties when trying to create a numbering scheme. Here's the situation: The incoming data is xml given to me as Sections. My read/write rules and EDD create a book at the Section level and FM files for each SubSection within. I have an attribute at the SubSection level that I am using as a variable running header/footer on my master pages. This works wonderfully for the headings, page numbers, etc. I am trying to figure out how to use that same variable on the Body pages within an autonumbering format. I am finding lots of ways to use the variable within the text of the body pages but nothing about using it in the autonumber format. Is this even possible? If so, can someone please point me in the right direction? FYI - I do have control of the EDD, read/write rules etc., and can ask for changes in the xml tagging scheme provided to me. Thank you in advance for any ideas you may have! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst O'NEIL ASSOCIATES, INC.http://www.oneil.com 495 Byers Rd. Miamisburg, Ohio 45342-3662 Office: (937) 865-0846 ext. 3709 Fax: (937) 865-5858 E-mail: lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com REVOLUTIONIZING DOCUMENTATION POWERING PRODUCT SUPPORT ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can a variable be used in a numbering scheme in Frame V8?
Hello All, I have structured books in FrameMaker version 8 (customer requirement) and am having difficulties when trying to create a numbering scheme. Here's the situation: The incoming data is xml given to me as Sections. My read/write rules and EDD create a book at the Section level and FM files for each SubSection within. I have an attribute at the SubSection level that I am using as a variable running header/footer on my master pages. This works wonderfully for the headings, page numbers, etc. I am trying to figure out how to use that same variable on the Body pages within an autonumbering format. I am finding lots of ways to use the variable within the text of the body pages but nothing about using it in the autonumber format. Is this even possible? If so, can someone please point me in the right direction? FYI - I do have control of the EDD, read/write rules etc., and can ask for changes in the xml tagging scheme provided to me. Thank you in advance for any ideas you may have! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.<http://www.oneil.com> 495 Byers Rd. Miamisburg, Ohio 45342-3662 Office: (937) 865-0846 ext. 3709 Fax: (937) 865-5858 E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com<mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com> REVOLUTIONIZING DOCUMENTATION >>> POWERING PRODUCT SUPPORT ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130503/f3fe3aca/attachment.html>
RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Many thanks to Ian and Scott for your suggestions, but unfortunately this is
still not working for me. I've tried both methods below as well as every
combination of the two I could think of.
After pouring through all the reference material I have, I am still stumped on
this. Does anyone else have any ideas where my disconnect is?
From Scott Prentice:
Try changing your rules to this (don't need the Graphic in the first rule) ..
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element;
fm property entity value is illus;
}
From: Ian Proudfoot [mailto:ian.proudf...@itp-x.co.uk]
Sent: 03 01, 2013 7:26 AM
To: Lisa Freeman; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hi Lisa,
I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
attribute illus is fm property entity;
}
This will work if the illus attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the DTD.
In your EDD remove the attribute definition for illus. This will not be
needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is converting
the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type mismatch was because the
attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.
If the DTD does not define illus as ENTITY, then use this rule instead:
attribute illus is fm property file;
That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.
Ian
Ian PROUDFOOT
Technical Director
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Tel : + 44 (0)7793 324 581
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 28 February 2013 18:36
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:
Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template.
The link takes me to the is fm graphic element statement below.
My rules are:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
fm property entity value is illus;
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
O'NEIL ASSOCIATES, INC.http://www.oneil.com
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FW: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict - Solved
I'm not sure why this fixed my EDD/RW rules conflict but it did.
I changed my RW rules from:
is fm graphic element Graphic;
to:
is fm graphic element GRAPHIC;
This got it past the conflict error. I did a search on all the files concerned
and it is not in all caps anywhere else that I can find.
I still don't have a valid XML file due to my table definitions apparently
being a hot mess but it's progress!
Thanks for everyone's help. This list is a plethora of knowledge. I sure know
where to go for answers if I can't figure out my table issues.
From: Lisa Freeman
Sent: 03 06, 2013 9:59 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Many thanks to Ian and Scott for your suggestions, but unfortunately this is
still not working for me. I've tried both methods below as well as every
combination of the two I could think of.
After pouring through all the reference material I have, I am still stumped on
this. Does anyone else have any ideas where my disconnect is?
From Scott Prentice:
Try changing your rules to this (don't need the Graphic in the first rule) ..
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element;
fm property entity value is illus;
}
From: Ian Proudfoot [mailto:ian.proudf...@itp-x.co.uk]
Sent: 03 01, 2013 7:26 AM
To: Lisa Freeman;
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hi Lisa,
I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
attribute illus is fm property entity;
}
This will work if the illus attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the DTD.
In your EDD remove the attribute definition for illus. This will not be
needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is converting
the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type mismatch was because the
attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.
If the DTD does not define illus as ENTITY, then use this rule instead:
attribute illus is fm property file;
That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.
Ian
Ian PROUDFOOT
Technical Director
www.antea.frhttp://www.antea.fr
3 rue Etienne Dolet | 93400 Saint-Ouen | France
Tel : + 44 (0)7793 324 581
From:
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 28 February 2013 18:36
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:
Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template.
The link takes me to the is fm graphic element statement below.
My rules are:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
fm property entity value is illus;
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
O'NEIL ASSOCIATES, INC.http://www.oneil.com
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RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Many thanks to Ian and Scott for your suggestions, but unfortunately this is
still not working for me. I've tried both methods below as well as every
combination of the two I could think of.
After pouring through all the reference material I have, I am still stumped on
this. Does anyone else have any ideas where my disconnect is?
>From Scott Prentice:
Try changing your rules to this (don't need the "Graphic" in the first rule) ..
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element;
fm property entity value is "illus";
}
From: Ian Proudfoot [mailto:ian.proudf...@itp-x.co.uk]
Sent: 03 01, 2013 7:26 AM
To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hi Lisa,
I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
attribute "illus" is fm property entity;
}
This will work if the "illus" attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the DTD.
In your EDD remove the attribute definition for "illus". This will not be
needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is converting
the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type mismatch was because the
attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.
If the DTD does not define "illus" as ENTITY, then use this rule instead:
attribute "illus" is fm property file;
That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.
Ian
Ian PROUDFOOT
Technical Director
www.antea.fr<http://www.antea.fr>
3 rue Etienne Dolet | 93400 Saint-Ouen | France
Tel : + 44 (0)7793 324 581
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 28 February 2013 18:36
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:
"Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template."
The link takes me to the "is fm graphic element" statement below.
My rules are:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
fm property entity value is "illus";
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.<http://www.oneil.com>
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FW: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict - Solved
I'm not sure why this fixed my EDD/RW rules conflict but it did.
I changed my RW rules from:
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
to:
is fm graphic element "GRAPHIC";
This got it past the conflict error. I did a search on all the files concerned
and it is not in all caps anywhere else that I can find.
I still don't have a valid XML file due to my table definitions apparently
being a "hot mess" but it's progress!
Thanks for everyone's help. This list is a plethora of knowledge. I sure know
where to go for answers if I can't figure out my table issues.
From: Lisa Freeman
Sent: 03 06, 2013 9:59 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Many thanks to Ian and Scott for your suggestions, but unfortunately this is
still not working for me. I've tried both methods below as well as every
combination of the two I could think of.
After pouring through all the reference material I have, I am still stumped on
this. Does anyone else have any ideas where my disconnect is?
>From Scott Prentice:
Try changing your rules to this (don't need the "Graphic" in the first rule) ..
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element;
fm property entity value is "illus";
}
From: Ian Proudfoot [mailto:ian.proudf...@itp-x.co.uk]
Sent: 03 01, 2013 7:26 AM
To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at
lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hi Lisa,
I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
attribute "illus" is fm property entity;
}
This will work if the "illus" attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the DTD.
In your EDD remove the attribute definition for "illus". This will not be
needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is converting
the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type mismatch was because the
attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.
If the DTD does not define "illus" as ENTITY, then use this rule instead:
attribute "illus" is fm property file;
That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.
Ian
Ian PROUDFOOT
Technical Director
www.antea.fr<http://www.antea.fr>
3 rue Etienne Dolet | 93400 Saint-Ouen | France
Tel : + 44 (0)7793 324 581
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 28 February 2013 18:36
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:
"Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template."
The link takes me to the "is fm graphic element" statement below.
My rules are:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
fm property entity value is "illus";
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.<http://www.oneil.com>
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RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:
Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template.
The link takes me to the is fm graphic element statement below.
My rules are:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
fm property entity value is illus;
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
O'NEIL ASSOCIATES, INC.http://www.oneil.com
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RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the following
error:
"Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template."
The link takes me to the "is fm graphic element" statement below.
My rules are:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
fm property entity value is "illus";
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.<http://www.oneil.com>
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RE: Importing XML and having trouble with the Graphics
Many thanks to Heiko Haida for sending me the following link: http://www.asadesigner.com/97-framemaker-sgml/6139e2880bcd9c90.htm You were absolutely correct that my read write rules were the problem. I was using both entityref and fileref which are mutually exclusive. I was also defining the graphic filename as an fm attribute when it has to be an fm property. The developer's reference and guides didn't say anything that I saw about this. I still have more to do for this project and will not hesitate to ask the many, very smart people on this list! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Importing XML and having trouble with the Graphics
Many thanks to Heiko Haida for sending me the following link: http://www.asadesigner.com/97-framemaker-sgml/6139e2880bcd9c90.htm You were absolutely correct that my read write rules were the problem. I was using both entityref and fileref which are mutually exclusive. I was also defining the graphic filename as an fm attribute when it has to be an fm property. The developer's reference and guides didn't say anything that I saw about this. I still have more to do for this project and will not hesitate to ask the many, very smart people on this list! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130211/d9cd4d69/attachment.html>
Importing XML and having trouble with the Graphics
Hello All, FrameMaker 8.0p277 (Not my choice, customer requirement) In a nutshell, I am importing XML created from an AXCESS database straight in FM. The data is a basic IPC manual (one or more figures and a parts list inside a parent assembly). I have the EDD and Read/Write rules created and they seem to be working ok except for one thing. I can't figure out how to get the Graphic Attribute to be recognized by FM. I am getting the following error messages: XML Parser Messages (Document Instance) Message Attribute 'attname' refers to an unknown entity '123.eps' And XML Read Messages (Document Instance) Bad entity name (123.eps) was specified for an imported graphic Has anyone else had the need to import graphics in this way and run across these types of errors? There's lots of information in the source manuals I have, but 99 percent of it refers to exporting graphics from FM to Markup, not the other way around. If it makes a difference, I have full control of the template, EDD, and R?W rules, etc. I can also have the format of the XML changed to what I need if necessary. Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Importing XML and having trouble with the Graphics
Hello All, FrameMaker 8.0p277 (Not my choice, customer requirement) In a nutshell, I am importing XML created from an AXCESS database straight in FM. The data is a basic IPC manual (one or more figures and a parts list inside a parent "assembly"). I have the EDD and Read/Write rules created and they seem to be working ok except for one thing. I can't figure out how to get the Graphic Attribute to be recognized by FM. I am getting the following error messages: XML Parser Messages (Document Instance) Message Attribute 'attname' refers to an unknown entity '123.eps' And XML Read Messages (Document Instance) Bad entity name (123.eps) was specified for an imported graphic Has anyone else had the need to import graphics in this way and run across these types of errors? There's lots of information in the source manuals I have, but 99 percent of it refers to exporting graphics from FM to Markup, not the other way around. If it makes a difference, I have full control of the template, EDD, and R?W rules, etc. I can also have the format of the XML changed to what I need if necessary. Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130207/c0f61361/attachment.html>
RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened
Hello Again All, The project that I was working on below (created structured templates and EDD for use to convert unstructured to structured Frame) is now in the hands of the end users. They are having an issue with the paragraph formatting not sticking when they apply it in their new document (the structured template). This appears to be a sporadic issue within the same document. (FrameMaker 10) For instance, Header style (contains numbering reset) 1. Step 2. Step 3. Step Header style 1. Step 2. Step 3. Step Header style (the auto-numbering disappears from the style here) 4. Step 5. Step Header style 1. Step 2. Step Has anyone seen behavior before? If the user changes the affected para to Body and then re-applies the format, most of the time it's right. Any ideas on where we can start to look? Thanks in advance! Lisa From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED Hello All, Rick was kind enough to work with me on this issue and I am back on track (for the time being anyway). He suggested adding the formatting into my EDD using the textformat structures. I greatly appreciate everyone's input. This list rocks! Lisa From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all body again. It was a good idea though! Thank you, Lisa From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File Import Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to body and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened
Hello Again All, The project that I was working on below (created structured templates and EDD for use to convert unstructured to structured Frame) is now in the hands of the end users. They are having an issue with the paragraph formatting not "sticking" when they apply it in their new document (the structured template). This appears to be a sporadic issue within the same document. (FrameMaker 10) For instance, Header style (contains numbering reset) 1. Step 2. Step 3. Step Header style 1. Step 2. Step 3. Step Header style (the auto-numbering disappears from the style here) 4. Step 5. Step Header style 1. Step 2. Step Has anyone seen behavior before? If the user changes the affected para to Body and then re-applies the format, "most" of the time it's right. Any ideas on where we can start to look? Thanks in advance! Lisa From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED Hello All, Rick was kind enough to work with me on this issue and I am back on track (for the time being anyway). He suggested adding the formatting into my EDD using the textformat structures. I greatly appreciate everyone's input. This list rocks! Lisa From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all again. It was a good idea though! Thank you, Lisa From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com<mailto:rick at frameexpert.com> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to "body" and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the "TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag" options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com<mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com> ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120907/4737e62d/attachment.html>
RE: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
Hi Lin, I'm definitely interested in updated plug-ins. I'm still using ones that I got with the Frame training I did with Shlomo many moons ago. Lisa -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: 07 05, 2012 3:25 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins? Hi folks, As some of you may remember, a number of years ago I created a list of FrameMaker plugins and utilities that I shared with the framers' lists because, at the time, there wasn't a single place to find that information. Jeremy Griffith and Shlomo Perets were kind enough to make that list available on their websites, and I think it's still there. The last update I made was about 3 years ago, so it's pretty out of date. Is there interest in my making another update? There are web sites out there now (Leximation, for example, and failing that, Google) that have a reasonably complete listing of plugins, so I'm not certain there's a real need; however, if enough people ARE interested I'll update it and ask Jeremy and Shlomo if they'd be willing to host the update again, or I can just send it on request. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as lfree...@oneil.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lfreeman%40oneil.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
Hi Lin, I'm definitely interested in updated plug-ins. I'm still using ones that I got with the Frame training I did with Shlomo many moons ago. Lisa -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: 07 05, 2012 3:25 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins? Hi folks, As some of you may remember, a number of years ago I created a list of FrameMaker plugins and utilities that I shared with the framers' lists because, at the time, there wasn't a single place to find that information. Jeremy Griffith and Shlomo Perets were kind enough to make that list available on their websites, and I think it's still there. The last update I made was about 3 years ago, so it's pretty out of date. Is there interest in my making another update? There are web sites out there now (Leximation, for example, and failing that, Google) that have a reasonably complete listing of plugins, so I'm not certain there's a real need; however, if enough people ARE interested I'll update it and ask Jeremy and Shlomo if they'd be willing to host the update again, or I can just send it on request. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as lfreeman at oneil.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lfreeman%40oneil.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. **
RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED
Hello All, Rick was kind enough to work with me on this issue and I am back on track (for the time being anyway). He suggested adding the formatting into my EDD using the textformat structures. I greatly appreciate everyone's input. This list rocks! Lisa From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all body again. It was a good idea though! Thank you, Lisa From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File Import Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to body and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED
Hello All, Rick was kind enough to work with me on this issue and I am back on track (for the time being anyway). He suggested adding the formatting into my EDD using the textformat structures. I greatly appreciate everyone's input. This list rocks! Lisa From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all again. It was a good idea though! Thank you, Lisa From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to "body" and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the "TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag" options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com<mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com> ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120704/45829d49/attachment.html>
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats
Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to body and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats
Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all body again. It was a good idea though! Thank you, Lisa From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File Import Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to body and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfree...@oneil.commailto:lfree...@oneil.com ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats
Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all again. It was a good idea though! Thank you, Lisa From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to "body" and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the "TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag" options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com<mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com> ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120703/0685f9bd/attachment.html>
Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats
Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to "body" and we have to reapply the format. We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the "TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag" options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element. Does anyone have any other ideas? BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publication Support Analyst E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com<mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com> ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120702/4cfba342/attachment.html>
Frame Displays and Prints Squished .cgm files
We have a user here that is working in Frame 6.0 +SGML in a structured document (yes we are trying to get the customer to update), on a Windows XP machine. When he views and/or prints a page that contains a .cgm illustration, the text is squished or flattened a bit. The same files display fine on some other machines but not all. We have not been able to find a common thread that causes this. We have tried checking every setting in Frame that we can find, copied all the fonts from a good machine to his, and tried every print driver in the house including postscript, PCL, and Adobe. IT tells us that all settings on the computers are the same as is the hardware. Strangely enough, it does appear correctly in Frame 8. Has anyone else experienced this dilemma? He can work around it for now by using another system to create his deliverables, but this is driving several of us here totally batty! Thanks in advance for any ideas you can provide. Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publications Support Analyst O'Neil Associates 495 Byers Road Miamisburg, OH 45342 Phone: (937)865-0846 Ext. 3709 E-Mail: lfree...@oneil.com mailto:lfree...@oneil.com ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame Displays and Prints "Squished" .cgm files
We have a user here that is working in Frame 6.0 +SGML in a structured document (yes we are trying to get the customer to update), on a Windows XP machine. When he views and/or prints a page that contains a .cgm illustration, the text is squished or flattened a bit. The same files display fine on some other machines but not all. We have not been able to find a common thread that causes this. We have tried checking every setting in Frame that we can find, copied all the fonts from a "good" machine to his, and tried every print driver in the house including postscript, PCL, and Adobe. IT tells us that all settings on the computers are the same as is the hardware. Strangely enough, it does appear correctly in Frame 8. Has anyone else experienced this dilemma? He can work around it for now by using another system to create his deliverables, but this is driving several of us here totally batty! Thanks in advance for any ideas you can provide. Sincerely, Lisa Freeman Publications Support Analyst O'Neil & Associates 495 Byers Road Miamisburg, OH 45342 Phone: (937)865-0846 Ext. 3709 E-Mail: lfreeman at oneil.com <mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com> ** Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at O'Neil & Associates, Inc., immediately. Any copying, dissemination, or distribution of this communication, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. **
