RE: Unresolved Cross References
Howard, Check your reference pages if you haven't solved the problem yet. We had a similar issue here. My supervisor was using the reference pages to paste text blocks as a sort of clipboard. In one of those text blocks, he had a cross-reference. It wouldn't show up when we created a list of unresolved cross-references, but an error message would detect that there was one somewhere. Jim D. -- Perhaps someone has a suggestion about how to resolve this. I have just?resolved all unresolved cross references in a 50-page document. When I search for any unresolved cross references, I get a message that none are found. Yet when I want to open or print the document, I get a message stating that the document has unresolved cross references. Is this?another FrameMaker glitsch? Howard Rauch? ? Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved cross-references in text insets to locations within thetext inset
Lin, You need to use Spot cross reference markers to create intra-text inset cross references. These will work in your final doc. Xrefs to paragraph markers will not resolve when updated. Baruch Brodersen Technitext Documentation *** Lin Sims wrote: I know there are issues with cross-references and text insets, but I thought that was when you were trying to use a cross-reference from the container document to something within the inset, or from within the inset to something in the container document. These are from the inset to another location in the same inset. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unresolved cross-references in text insets to locations within the text inset
Nope. Cross-references don't work in, under, over, or between text insets. You've answered your own question. Just prior to final production, convert text-insets to text, generate, and produce. Do not save the book or you lose insetability. -Huntley On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Lin Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using Frame 8p277 on Windows XP Pro, SP3. I have a text inset source document with 19 different text insets (each in their own named flow). I am using these text insets in a container document a total of 123 times (yep, lots and lots and LOTS of duplication). One inset is used 28 times, another is used only once. The rest vary in number of usages. Many of these text insets contain cross-references to locations within the same text inset. The text inset source document is NOT in the same directory as the container document, although it is close by. When I import by reference into the document and regenerate to update the TOC and the cross-references, I get multiple unresolved cross-reference errors from the document with all the text insets. The cross-references are also not updating properly. Within the inset, the step is number 2, but within the container document, it should be number 3. I know there are issues with cross-references and text insets, but I thought that was when you were trying to use a cross-reference from the container document to something within the inset, or from within the inset to something in the container document. These are from the inset to another location in the same inset. I can, if necessary, convert all the insets to text and regenerate just prior to creating the final PDF, but obviously I'd rather avoid that. Can anyone help me resolve these cross-references? -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/huntleye%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved cross-references in text insets to locations withinthe text inset
Huntley Eshenroder wrote: Nope. Cross-references don't work in, under, over, or between text insets. You've answered your own question. Just prior to final production, convert text-insets to text, generate, and produce. Do not save the book or you lose insetability. Assuming the situation hasn't deteriorated in FM 8, this is not true within FM itself.* And that's what Lin was describing. I don't understand what's causing her problem and don't have time to dig deep right now, but xrefs from one spot in a text inset to another in the same text inset should resolve without any special effort or technique. Even xrefs from the container to a text inset or between text insets can be set up to work properly in FM. It gets a bit involved and requires you to point your xrefs to cross-reference markers that you create manually, instead of pointing them to paragraphs and letting FM create the markers. Lin, one possibility that occurs to me: do any of the files involved (source or inset) require human intervention to open, e.g., missing font or graphics messages to acknowledge? If FM can't open a file silently in the background, it can't resolve xrefs to that file. The workaround is to open all the files manually first (the solution, of course, is to get rid of the problems that keep the files from opening silently). * It is true, however, that completely functional xrefs inside text insets don't become working hyperlinks in PDF. That's the reason for flattening or unlocking text insets before PDF creation. Rick Quatro (www.frameexpert.com) can provide FrameScript solutions for this process. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: unresolved cross references part II
Deirdre, That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open or search the master pages. If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the same time. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace Electronics 425-743-8674 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:28 PM To: Frame Users Subject: unresolved cross references part II Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in the cross-reference. It seems to be working. Does that sound about right, or am I taking the long route? This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to master page and run the Find/Change. Seems a bit long, but ? Thanks, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: unresolved cross references part II
Yes, some of the chapters do use the same master pages. I will learn how to do import next! Thanks so much, Deirdre On 5/8/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre, That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open or search the master pages. If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the same time. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace Electronics 425-743-8674 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:28 PM To: Frame Users Subject: unresolved cross references part II Ok, this is what I've done -- opened up a chapter, opened the master page, then run the Find/Change command, using Paste, and pasting in the cross-reference. It seems to be working. Does that sound about right, or am I taking the long route? This way I have to open all the chapters by hand, change the view to master page and run the Find/Change. Seems a bit long, but ? Thanks, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/deirdre.reagan%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: unresolved cross references part II
In responding to Deirdre, Clint Owen wrote: That's about right. It's a pain in the neck, but you can't globally open or search the master pages. If all or some of your chapters use the same master pages and the same cross-references (like to a part number on the title page), you can fix one of them and then import the page layouts into all the others at the same time. This is part of the reason why I *strongly* prefer using system variables and user variables to construct headers and footers. Another reason is that I see absolutely no benefit to having active hyperlinks in the headers and footers of the PDF I produce that take the reader to some strange and non-useful location like the title page. One set of templates I once had to work with used cross-references in the headers and footers, and I absolutely hated it. It's probably possible to make x-refs in headers and footers behave better with some FrameScript scripting, but I just don't see the point. With the possible exception of page x of y page numbering, I haven't yet encountered any requirement for information in headers and footers that I wasn't able to accomplish more directly using variables. _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: unresolved cross references part II
Deirdre Reagan wrote: Yes, some of the chapters do use the same master pages. I will learn how to do import next! Yes, learn about importing formats -- and quickly! :-) To get the most out of FrameMaker -- both in terms of good results and in terms of labor-saving and efficiency -- you have to use it properly, and that means using well-defined, consistent templates/formats for everything. Everything! With rare exceptions, _all_ the chapter files should use the same master pages. Non-chapter files (like front-matter, TOC, index, etc.) may need their own special master pages, but the body of the book should have the same page layouts throughout. Generally, that means 3 basic master pages -- Left, Right, and First. You may need more for special purposes (like rotated landscape pages), but it's best to keep things as simple as possible. The chapter files should also all use the same paragraph, character, table, and cross-reference formats. The only reasonable way make everything consistent is by importing formats from the chapter in which they're _right_ (which becomes your template) to all the other chapter files. If you don't consistently apply the same formats across chapters, you might as well use Word. :-} That said, I agree with Fred Ridder. Avoid using x-refs on master pages. Use variables for things like doc titles, company names, product names, and release numbers -- not x-refs to typed-in instances of them. That's what variables are for. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved cross-references and missing graphics
Try viewing the master page for each file in the book and then search for the unresolved x-ref. Dominick A. DeFlorio Senior Technical Writer Plug Power, Inc. 968 Albany-Shaker Road Latham, NY 12110 (518) 738-0389 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com] On Behalf Of Julie Leake Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:14 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unresolved cross-references and missing graphics FrameMaker 7.0p579 - Windows XP When I open certain docs I get a message that there are unresolved cross-references, however, when I do a search for unresolved cross-references it says None found. I have all conditions turned on...nothing is hidden. I have a similar problem on another doc. When opening it says there is a missing graphic. I tell it to skip that graphic and when I look through the document I can't find any gray boxes indicating a missing graphic. I have looked at the Reference pages and can't find anything. Can anyone tell me how to find these elusive missing pieces? Thanks! Julie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dominick_deflorio%40 plugpower.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved cross-references and missing graphics
Julie, This is what I call phantom unresolved cross references, a phenomenon that I believe started with version 6. I've been able to get rid of these phantoms by opening the file that is reported as having one or more unresolved xrefs, saving the file as .mif, opening the .mif file, and saving it back as .fm (overwriting the old file). In some circumstances, which I've admittedly not delved into deeply, this happen regularly. I think that conditions have something to do with it. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julie Leake Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:14 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unresolved cross-references and missing graphics FrameMaker 7.0p579 - Windows XP When I open certain docs I get a message that there are unresolved cross-references, however, when I do a search for unresolved cross-references it says None found. I have all conditions turned on...nothing is hidden. I have a similar problem on another doc. When opening it says there is a missing graphic. I tell it to skip that graphic and when I look through the document I can't find any gray boxes indicating a missing graphic. I have looked at the Reference pages and can't find anything. Can anyone tell me how to find these elusive missing pieces? Thanks! Julie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unresolved cross-references and missing graphics
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:53:43 -0700, Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what I call phantom unresolved cross references, a phenomenon that I believe started with version 6. I've been able to get rid of these phantoms by opening the file that is reported as having one or more unresolved xrefs, saving the file as .mif, opening the .mif file, and saving it back as .fm (overwriting the old file). We've made that process a *lot* easier with the latest Mif2Go upgrade, 44. We added an item to the File menu, Wash via MIF, which does just what you want... without disturbing any other MIF file you might have present. It will also wash a whole book in one shot, including the .book file itself. And it's really fast, a few seconds tops for most files. It works fine from the demo version of Mif2Go, and we approve of commercial use of this feature with the demo, so it costs nothing to add it to your toolkit. Download and install the (unlimited) demo from: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm We're going to add more free goodies like this (and runfm.exe) regularly. It's not just for the season. ;-) In some circumstances, which I've admittedly not delved into deeply, this happen regularly. I think that conditions have something to do with it. IIRC, when Frame checks cross-references, it checks them all, including those in hidden conditional text. But if the xref source is hidden, it reports the xref as unresolved. It's best to use Show All when checking (or rechecking) xrefs. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
