Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-25 Thread Rick Quatro 
Hi Peter,

You could use your topics as text insets and insert them into a single
document. You could still maintain the topics in a book, but the single
document would contain your topics and they would flow wherever they fit in
the document. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.
Thank you very much.

Rick

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   FM13/2015
   I'm having a similar problem.
   I'm trying to follow a pseudo-structured authoring paradigm: lots of
   discrete topic files but using the unstructured FM interface. The book
   is created and the topic files inserted directly into the book, just
   that there's a lot more than the usual dozen or so chapter files.
   It appears that FM wants to start each file on a new page even though
   the 1st paragraph in the topic file may have the Start attribute set as
   "Anywhere". This seems to be borne out by the available file pagination
   settings of "Next Available", "Read From File", "Left", "Right" i.e.
   nothing similar to the numbering properties of "continue from previous
   page/paragraph/...". This means the text jumps to new pages even though
   topics may be related. And there's a lot of extraneous white space.
   I can get around this by just using chapter files in the book structure
   and inserting each topic into a chapter file. However, I wanted the
   topics in the book so that I could see the book/chapter structure &
   easily move the topics without cutting/pasting within/between chapter
   files. Does anyone have any suggestions please?
   Regards,
   Peter
   Peter Brighouse
   Technical Writer
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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-25 Thread Peter . Brighouse 
   FM13/2015
   I'm having a similar problem.
   I'm trying to follow a pseudo-structured authoring paradigm: lots of
   discrete topic files but using the unstructured FM interface. The book
   is created and the topic files inserted directly into the book, just
   that there's a lot more than the usual dozen or so chapter files.
   It appears that FM wants to start each file on a new page even though
   the 1st paragraph in the topic file may have the Start attribute set as
   "Anywhere". This seems to be borne out by the available file pagination
   settings of "Next Available", "Read From File", "Left", "Right" i.e.
   nothing similar to the numbering properties of "continue from previous
   page/paragraph/...". This means the text jumps to new pages even though
   topics may be related. And there's a lot of extraneous white space.
   I can get around this by just using chapter files in the book structure
   and inserting each topic into a chapter file. However, I wanted the
   topics in the book so that I could see the book/chapter structure &
   easily move the topics without cutting/pasting within/between chapter
   files. Does anyone have any suggestions please?
   Regards,
   Peter
   Peter Brighouse
   Technical Writer
   T: +61 7 3117 8867
   E: [1]peter.brigho...@hexagonmining.com
   Leica Geosystems Mining (part of Hexagon Mining)
   270 Gladstone Road
   Dutton Park, QLD 4102 AUSTRALIA
   [2]mining.leica-geosystems.com | [3]LinkedIn | [4]Facebook | [5]Twitter

References

   1. mailto:megan.bl...@hexagonmining.com
   2. http://mining.leica-geosystems.com/
   3. https://www.linkedin.com/groups/Leica-Geosystems-Mining-4224886/about
   4. https://www.facebook.com/hexagonmining
   5. https://twitter.com/Hexagonmining
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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Ken Poshedly 
As someone who is nowhere near the level of competency as most of the folks 
here and unless I misunderstand the situation, may I suggest that you reset 
this via:
 Format --> Paragraph Designer --> then "Start: Anywhere" at the Pagination 
submenu, then "OK" (using "Update All" only if you're darn sure that's how all 
of your Heading1's (I think) should be).
We use FM 11.0 and that's what works here.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:16 PM, Nancy Allison  
wrote:
 

   Alas, neither a Group nor a Folder does what I need. I put three files
  into a Group, selected it, and printed it. I did the same with a
  Folder.
  In both cases, the three files printed, but each started on a separate
  page.

  I'm off to the Adobe FrameMaker Forum to see if anyone knows ...
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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Monique Semp 
  Alas, neither a Group nor a Folder does what I need. I put three files 
into a Group, selected it, and printed it. I did the same with a Folder. 
In both cases, the three files printed, but each started on a separate 
page.


Ah, yes, this seems similar to a question I posted about a month ago, 
"concatenate a book folder's files without pagination ?"


Rick Quatro replied offlist offering his help, but I never followed up :-(. 
(My question was because I was playing around with various FrameMaker 
features as part of preparing for that "structured best practices for 
unstructured tools" presentation, and so I didn't actually have to solve the 
problem. But I do plan to get back to it, if I continue working in 
FrameMaker for the doc set in question. Tools might be changing, so it's not 
worth investing in improvements to the docs/files/structure just yet.)


-Monique

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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread John Sgammato 
Treat them as text insets?

On Sep 20, 2016 3:16 PM, "Nancy Allison"  wrote:

>Alas, neither a Group nor a Folder does what I need. I put three files
>into a Group, selected it, and printed it. I did the same with a
>Folder.
>In both cases, the three files printed, but each started on a separate
>page.
>
>I'm off to the Adobe FrameMaker Forum to see if anyone knows ...
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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Nancy Allison 
   Alas, neither a Group nor a Folder does what I need. I put three files
   into a Group, selected it, and printed it. I did the same with a
   Folder.
   In both cases, the three files printed, but each started on a separate
   page.

   I'm off to the Adobe FrameMaker Forum to see if anyone knows ...
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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Monique Semp 

it appears Groups or Folders are my best bet.


Just be sure to choose carefully. I was just looking at the Help for this 
yesterday, and here's an extract, for FrameMaker 2015:


---
You can create groups in a book file. Like folders, groups are also logical 
containers in a book file;
they do not exist on the disk. The difference between a group and a folder 
is that a group does not
change the hierarchy of the files within it. Also you cannot set up 
numbering styles for a group.


For example, the chapter number increments sequentially if the chapter is in 
a group. For files organized
under a folder, the chapter number remains the same but the section number 
can increment
sequentially. You cannot explicitly change the chapter number for files in a 
folder as the files inherit

this property from the folder.
---

And right after the Folders and Groups info, there's info for "Add a child 
book", which might also serve complex numbering requirements. But probably 
they'd not handle the continuous printing requirements you need. Just 
completing the list of related multi-file mechanisms.


HTH,
-Monique 


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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Nancy Allison 
   Rick already called me! But it appears Groups or Folders are my best
   bet.


   On 09/20/16, Art Campbell wrote:

   You really need to learn to write FrameScripts.
   Yes, it's possible, but I'm not a coder either...
   Time to call Rick Quatro. ;- )
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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   apply.
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   On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Nancy Allison <[2]ma...@verizon.net>
   wrote:

 Hi, all.
I've just imported a ~150 topic help file into FrameMaker. Each
 topic
is a separate .fm file (usually short) that starts with a Heading
 1.
I'd like to divide those .fm files into chapter segments, insert
 a
chapter-title .fm at appropriate points, and print the resulting
 book
file like a regular book. The TOC organization and file lengths
 look
like this:
Ch_01_Overview of the Thing.fm
   imported .fm file 1, (1.2 pages long)
   imported .fm file 2, (1.5 pages long)
   imported .fm file 3, (3.1 pages long)
 Ch_02_Installation.fm
   imported .fm file 4, (1.2 pages long)
   imported .fm file 5, (3.1 pages long)
   imported .fm file 6, (0.7 pages long)
   imported .fm file 7, (1 pages long)
 Ch_03_Configuration.fm
   imported .fm file 8, (0.2 pages long)
   imported .fm file 9, (4.2 pages long)
   imported .fm file 10, (0.9 pages long)
I want each chapter to start on a new page, but I want all the
 .fm
files within the chapter to print after each other continuously
 with no
page breaks between them.
Is that possible? Or do I need to move the content of the
 imported .fm
file into the Chapter .fm file and just have one large .fm file
 per
chapter?
Thanks.
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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Art Campbell 
You really need to learn to write FrameScripts.
Yes, it's possible, but I'm not a coder either...
Time to call Rick Quatro. ;- )


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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

> Hi, all.
>I've just imported a ~150 topic help file into FrameMaker. Each topic
>is a separate .fm file (usually short) that starts with a Heading 1.
>I'd like to divide those .fm files into chapter segments, insert a
>chapter-title .fm at appropriate points, and print the resulting book
>file like a regular book. The TOC organization and file lengths look
>like this:
>Ch_01_Overview of the Thing.fm
>   imported .fm file 1, (1.2 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 2, (1.5 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 3, (3.1 pages long)
> Ch_02_Installation.fm
>   imported .fm file 4, (1.2 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 5, (3.1 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 6, (0.7 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 7, (1 pages long)
> Ch_03_Configuration.fm
>   imported .fm file 8, (0.2 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 9, (4.2 pages long)
>   imported .fm file 10, (0.9 pages long)
>
>I want each chapter to start on a new page, but I want all the .fm
>files within the chapter to print after each other continuously with no
>page breaks between them.
>Is that possible? Or do I need to move the content of the imported .fm
>file into the Chapter .fm file and just have one large .fm file per
>chapter?
>Thanks.
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[Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

2016-09-20 Thread Nancy Allison 
Hi, all.
   I've just imported a ~150 topic help file into FrameMaker. Each topic
   is a separate .fm file (usually short) that starts with a Heading 1.
   I'd like to divide those .fm files into chapter segments, insert a
   chapter-title .fm at appropriate points, and print the resulting book
   file like a regular book. The TOC organization and file lengths look
   like this:
   Ch_01_Overview of the Thing.fm
  imported .fm file 1, (1.2 pages long)
  imported .fm file 2, (1.5 pages long)
  imported .fm file 3, (3.1 pages long)
Ch_02_Installation.fm
  imported .fm file 4, (1.2 pages long)
  imported .fm file 5, (3.1 pages long)
  imported .fm file 6, (0.7 pages long)
  imported .fm file 7, (1 pages long)
Ch_03_Configuration.fm
  imported .fm file 8, (0.2 pages long)
  imported .fm file 9, (4.2 pages long)
  imported .fm file 10, (0.9 pages long)

   I want each chapter to start on a new page, but I want all the .fm
   files within the chapter to print after each other continuously with no
   page breaks between them.
   Is that possible? Or do I need to move the content of the imported .fm
   file into the Chapter .fm file and just have one large .fm file per
   chapter?
   Thanks.
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