Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

..@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf Of Bertrand Meyer > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 4:32 PM > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Cc: mailto:me...@inf.ethz.ch > Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

2 11:01 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe Hi Betrand, Sorry to hear this. However: o From your other thread I understand that you used and old version. Newer versions are definitely more st

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

- From: Framers On Behalf Of Bertrand Meyer Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 4:32 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Cc: me...@inf.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe This is an old thread but here is a comment. I

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

al Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+bertrand.meyer=inf.ethz...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:00 To: Framers List Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe I don't know why everyone likes bashing

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

Thanks! I couldn't agree with you more! :thumbsup And years ago, I think it was even less than $400 to upgrade - heck the cost of a license was around that much (although this may be wishful recollection on my part! ) Z Shmuel Wolfson said: > At one point it was $400 to upgrade up to two

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

I suspect the main reason Adobe did not discontinue FrameMaker 20 years ago and has continued to sell it is the significant revenue streams from large customers such as Boeing who built complex toolchains using structured FrameMaker and the Framemaker development kit.

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

At one point it was $400 to upgrade up to two versions back. That was reasonable. Every few years I would ask my employer to upgrade. Then the price shot up to $400 for one version back, $600 for two versions back, and full price after that. That's when I just gave up and said I'll stick with

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

and/or authorisation issue is caused by Adobe? Alison ++ -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 11:34 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

The current $360 annual subscription price is lower than the old annual maintenance charge, which was 50% of the cost for a new license. On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:27 AM Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > > ... I think when Adobe charged less for upgrades people had more tolerance > for Adobe not fixing

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

I think the general feeling of those who are upset at Adobe, is that Adobe seems to feel: "We are the best. Nothing else comes close. So we can charge whatever we want and ignore your request for bug fixes." Does that about sum it up? I think when Adobe charged less for upgrades people had

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

You can't buy FrameMaker any more. Subscription only. $360 a year is quite cheap compared with other tools. I'm paying a little over $3,000 a year for Paligo. Flare is $2,000. PDF's still a customer requirement for many products, but the other single-sourcing tools I've used all produce

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

21 2:00 AM To: Framers List Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe I don't know why everyone likes bashing FrameMaker. Is there anything else that: • Is suitable for long books. • Gives you PDF output as is appears while you are working (WYSIWYG). • Can be conver

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

To continue my previous email, I agree that if PDF is not an output you supply to the customers, than there are lots of good options out there that may be cheaper than FM and have other benefits. But there are plenty of products out there that still come with a PDF, or have one

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

I don't know why everyone likes bashing FrameMaker. Is there anything else that: • Is suitable for long books. • Gives you PDF output as is appears while you are working (WYSIWYG). • Can be converted to online help, (even if it requires buying an extra program). FM happens to have online help

Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

Michael, what are you using to publish your DITA content? What output is it missing? Nadine On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 04:43:39 p.m. EDT, Norton, Michael wrote: Some of us have been using FrameMaker since it was owned by Frame. For many years, it seemed as if Adobe was trying to

[Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

Some of us have been using FrameMaker since it was owned by Frame. For many years, it seemed as if Adobe was trying to abandon FraneMaker. That has changed and it is still a good product. RoboHelp, however, is much more troublesome. I would not recommend it. It's buggy, and cumbersome. That