Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

No. I'm not sure I've ever even heard of that, or at least not enough to
connect it to Excel spreadsheets. I'll look into it, but we do have a
pretty good automation in place now.

No, our previous process was to take a very large and annoyingly formatted
set of spreadsheets used by the designers/engineers, convert it to Word to
break up the individual tables, and then copying and pasting those tables
over into Frame, then using Rick Quattro's TableCleaner to fix the
formatting for the initial version, then updating later versions by using a
utility that diffed two versions of the designer/engineer spreadsheets and
making changes manually.

As you can imagine, this was subject to error.

One day I was complaining about this to one of my tech writer coworkers,
who proceeded to write me a ruby script that took the old spreadsheets and
converted them into something I could use. It was on the quick and dirty
side, there was still a fair bit of reformatting involved and I still had
to make the manual updates, but it was a massive time saver (I went from
2-3 days' worth of work to about 10 minutes in the conversion alone.)

More recently, one of our full-time perl scripters was asked to write a set
of scripts that convert an Excel spreadsheet in a corporate-standard format
to a number of different outputs for the engineers and, for the writers,
XML files and a ditamap that, with Scott's product, becomes a very nicely
formatted chapter with tables and things. Since I use the script every time
the source file is updated, the information in my document is always an
exact match for the source.

At any rate, as I think I said in an earlier email, it turns out all I need
to remember is to be working on the server in the actual structured
environment and it works. Just using the structured interface on my local
install doesn't, and that's where I went wrong.



On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> This sounds like a job for FrameMaker's database publishing feature.
> Or was that your previous process?
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Oh, it's worse than that. The XML files that generate the FM file via
> > DITA-FMx are regenerated every time there's a change in the source
> document
> > for them, because the XML files are created from a perl script that takes
> > apart an Excel file to create individual XML files for each row in the
> > Excel file. I already have an xref going from a standard FM file to a
> > location in the generated FM file that has to be replaced.
> >
> > And believe it or not, this is actually a VAST improvement on our
> previous
> > process, which involved me checking thousands of rows individually for
> > changes so I could update a standard FM file, which was prone to a lot of
> > errors.
>



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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Robert Lauriston]

This sounds like a job for FrameMaker's database publishing feature.
Or was that your previous process?

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Oh, it's worse than that. The XML files that generate the FM file via
> DITA-FMx are regenerated every time there's a change in the source document
> for them, because the XML files are created from a perl script that takes
> apart an Excel file to create individual XML files for each row in the
> Excel file. I already have an xref going from a standard FM file to a
> location in the generated FM file that has to be replaced.
>
> And believe it or not, this is actually a VAST improvement on our previous
> process, which involved me checking thousands of rows individually for
> changes so I could update a standard FM file, which was prone to a lot of
> errors.
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

Oh, it's worse than that. The XML files that generate the FM file via
DITA-FMx are regenerated every time there's a change in the source document
for them, because the XML files are created from a perl script that takes
apart an Excel file to create individual XML files for each row in the
Excel file. I already have an xref going from a standard FM file to a
location in the generated FM file that has to be replaced.

And believe it or not, this is actually a VAST improvement on our previous
process, which involved me checking thousands of rows individually for
changes so I could update a standard FM file, which was prone to a lot of
errors.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Okay. So you're working in structured FM files (pseudo-DITA) generated
> from an FMx book-build. And you're adding a "link" to an unstructured FM
> file that's been added to the generated book? I think I get it now.
>
> In this case, adding an fm-xref won't likely work (might, but I've never
> tried what you're doing, and modifying generated files is typically not a
> great idea since the edits are lost the next time you generate from DITA).
> What you've got now are two FM files .. just insert a "Cross-Reference"
> (regular FM type .. forget that this was DITA and is structured), and see
> what happens.
>
> Technically, the fm-xref is an FM Cross-Reference object, so that might
> actually work, but if not, just resort to good old FM techniques.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 1:41 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others are
> FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, the others
> don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured INTERFACE, but
> only the Frame on the server is in a structured environment. Which is where
> I made my mistake, since I was trying to use the FM instance on my laptop
> that is not in a structured environment. If I work in the structured
> environment, I can insert an fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the
> always-have-been-FM files.
>
> Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks or
> so have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as well as I'd
> like to be.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice 
> wrote:
>
>> Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA
>> files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then
>> PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, then
>> select the target element, and you should be good to go!
>>
>> But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM
>> files.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.
>>
>> Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF
>> file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd
>> simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.
>>
>> It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result
>>> in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The
>>> only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set
>>> the @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
>>> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
>>> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
>>> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
>>> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
>>> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>>>
>>> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know
>>> what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you
>>> need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>>>
>>> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and
>>> choose the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify
>>> the href (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text,
>>> and the scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to
>>> "pdf".
>>>
>>> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
>>> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
>>> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
>>> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
>>> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>>>
>>> I hope that helps.
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>>>
>>> And I suspect part of the 

Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Scott Prentice]

Okay. So you're working in structured FM files (pseudo-DITA) generated 
from an FMx book-build. And you're adding a "link" to an unstructured FM 
file that's been added to the generated book? I think I get it now.


In this case, adding an fm-xref won't likely work (might, but I've never 
tried what you're doing, and modifying generated files is typically not 
a great idea since the edits are lost the next time you generate from 
DITA). What you've got now are two FM files .. just insert a 
"Cross-Reference" (regular FM type .. forget that this was DITA and is 
structured), and see what happens.


Technically, the fm-xref is an FM Cross-Reference object, so that might 
actually work, but if not, just resort to good old FM techniques.


...scott


On 11/22/16 1:41 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others 
are FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, 
the others don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured 
INTERFACE, but only the Frame on the server is in a structured 
environment. Which is where I made my mistake, since I was trying to 
use the FM instance on my laptop that is not in a structured 
environment. If I work in the structured environment, I can insert an 
fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the always-have-been-FM files.


Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks 
or so have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as 
well as I'd like to be.


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice > wrote:


Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they
are DITA files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the
same book then PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the
target DITA file, then select the target element, and you should
be good to go!

But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with
unstructured FM files.

Cheers,
...scott


On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single
PDF file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it
before, I'd simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.

It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la
land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice
> wrote:

Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will
never result in the link going to a PDF file that's generated
from that FM file. The only way for an xref to link to a PDF
is to use an external xref, and set the @href attribute to
the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the target PDF
is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from).
Even then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should.
If you want to link to a target within a PDF, you'll need to
add the necessary coding to the @href attribute that will
make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that coding is,
but in theory it's possible .. I think.

The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it
won't know what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and
that's really what you need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to
a FM file.

To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an
fm-xref), and choose the "External" button from that dialog.
This will let you specify the href (either a path/filename or
a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the scope (choose
"external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".

When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the
ditamap, if the resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as
the linked PDF, the link in the "DITA" PDF should open the
target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the "Convert xrefs to
Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when generating
the book from the ditamap in FMx.

I hope that helps.

...scott



On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in
the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I
was not working in the fully structured environment we
maintain on our server. FM2016 is set to the structured
interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that way),
but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful
in the elements list. Once I used the server-installation of
FM, I was able to add an fm-xref, which is I think an
internal definition(? or yours, I forget which) that allows
us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 

Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others are
FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, the others
don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured INTERFACE, but
only the Frame on the server is in a structured environment. Which is where
I made my mistake, since I was trying to use the FM instance on my laptop
that is not in a structured environment. If I work in the structured
environment, I can insert an fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the
always-have-been-FM files.

Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks or so
have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as well as I'd
like to be.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA
> files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then
> PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, then
> select the target element, and you should be good to go!
>
> But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM
> files.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.
>
> Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF
> file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd
> simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.
>
> It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice 
> wrote:
>
>> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result
>> in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The
>> only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set
>> the @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
>> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
>> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
>> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
>> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
>> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>>
>> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know
>> what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you
>> need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>>
>> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
>> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
>> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
>> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>>
>> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
>> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
>> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
>> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
>> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>>
>> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not
>> working in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server.
>> FM2016 is set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all
>> have it that way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything
>> meaningful in the elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM,
>> I was able to add an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or
>> yours, I forget which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as
>> elements for xrefs.
>>
>> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will
>> do what I want them to do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>>> that wouldn't even work).
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>>
 Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
 with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
 server
 version (which does) works fine.

 Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
 don't have to save down for everything.

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

 Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to
> insert
> an xref, I only 

Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Scott Prentice]

Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA 
files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then 
PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, 
then select the target element, and you should be good to go!


But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM 
files.


Cheers,
...scott


On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF 
file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, 
I'd simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.


It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice > wrote:


Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never
result in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that
FM file. The only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an
external xref, and set the @href attribute to the file name of the
target PDF file (assuming the target PDF is in the same folder as
the PDF that you're linking from). Even then I'm not sure it'll
work, but in theory it should. If you want to link to a target
within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the @href
attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what
that coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.

The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't
know what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's
really what you need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.

To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and
choose the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you
specify the href (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF
file), the link text, and the scope (choose "external"). This
should set the @format attribute to "pdf".

When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if
the resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF,
the link in the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be
sure to select the "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build
Options dialog when generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.

I hope that helps.

...scott



On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was
not working in the fully structured environment we maintain on
our server. FM2016 is set to the structured interface on my
personal laptop (we all have it that way), but without the
EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the elements list.
Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add an
fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I
forget which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well
as elements for xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and
things will do what I want them to do.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice
> wrote:

FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an
xref from a DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory
you could create an "external" xref to the FM file, but the
best you could hope for would be that it would open the FM
file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely that
wouldn't even work).

...scott


On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is
that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an
EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12
to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims
> wrote:

Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but
when I try to insert
an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me
select anything but
elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of
course, it not being
DITA/xml.

I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce,
so I obviously have
the wrong address.

--
Lin Sims




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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.

Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF file.
Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd simply
forgotten I had to do this down on the server.

It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result in
> the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The only
> way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set the
> @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>
> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know what
> the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you need ..
> the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>
> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>
> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>
> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not working
> in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server. FM2016 is
> set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that
> way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the
> elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add
> an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I forget
> which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for
> xrefs.
>
> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will do
> what I want them to do.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice 
> wrote:
>
>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>> that wouldn't even work).
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>>> server
>>> version (which does) works fine.
>>>
>>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
 an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything
 but
 elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
 DITA/xml.

 I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
 the wrong address.

 --
 Lin Sims


>>>
>>>
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!

And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not working
in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server. FM2016 is
set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all have it that
way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything meaningful in the
elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM, I was able to add
an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or yours, I forget
which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as elements for
xrefs.

With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will do
what I want them to do.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
> that wouldn't even work).
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>> server
>> version (which does) works fine.
>>
>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
>>> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
>>> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
>>> DITA/xml.
>>>
>>> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
>>> the wrong address.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lin Sims
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Scott Prentice]

FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a 
DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an 
"external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be 
that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and 
likely that wouldn't even work).


...scott


On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:


Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
DITA/xml.

I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
the wrong address.

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Re: [Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The server
version (which does) works fine.

Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
don't have to save down for everything.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to insert
> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything but
> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
> DITA/xml.
>
> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously have
> the wrong address.
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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