RE: Frame 8-compatible file format?
Hi Mike, You can't set the default save format to MIF; however, you could use a simple ExtendScript script to automatically save the document as MIF every time you save it normally. That way, you would always have the latest version of the document in MIF as well as the regular binary format. ExtendScript is built into FrameMaker 10 and higher. If you are interested in exploring this further, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mkopen Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:22 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame 8-compatible file format? I transfer files between Frame 12 and Frame 8 every week without a problem; in Frame 12, I save as v.12 *.mif. These mif file open reliably in Frame 8 every time (and Unicode encoding is maintained, as was pointed out already). -- The message console lets you admire all that nutritious Frame 12 code that Frame 8 excretes as unpalatable. As mentioned, I've yet to encounter a problem. -- Would be nice if I could set the default save format to, mif. Cheers, Mike Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.)... --- Michael Heine University of Western Ontario London Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ANN: Free script (was Frame 8-compatible file format?)
Hello Framers, Mike said: Would be nice if I could set the default save format to, mif. I replied that this could be done with ExtendScript, which is built into FrameMaker 10 and above. I wrote a script like this and posted it on my blog. Please enjoy the free script and let me know if you have any questions or comments. http://frameautomation.com/automatically-saving-to-mif/ Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 8-compatible file format?
I transfer files between Frame 12 and Frame 8 every week without a problem; in Frame 12, I save as v.12 *.mif. These mif file open reliably in Frame 8 every time (and Unicode encoding is maintained, as was pointed out already). -- The message console lets you admire all that nutritious Frame 12 code that Frame 8 excretes as unpalatable. As mentioned, I've yet to encounter a problem. -- Would be nice if I could set the default save format to, mif. Cheers, Mike Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.)... --- Michael Heine University of Western Ontario London Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 8-compatible file format?
Hi Michael, The reason you don't want to do this is because the save to MIF 7.0 will change the text encoding to the old FrameRoman character set. Then when you open the MIF with FrameMaker 12 (or any version 8 or higher), the text encoding will get changed back to Unicode. There is an outside chance that this could mess up some of your text. In your case, you should save your FM 12 files as MIF 12.0 before you open them with FM 10. You are essentially going from Unicode to Unicode, which is safer. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Norton Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:29 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame 8-compatible file format? Hi Lise, In FrameMaker v12, there are two options for saving in MIF format: MIF 12.0 (*.mif) MIF 7.0 (*.mif) I don't have FrameMaker v8 installed, but I would think you would want files saved in MIF 7.0 format. I do go between FMv10 and FMv12 fairly often and that is the format I use. Hope this helps. -- Lise wrote: Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.) Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be opened in Frame 8? According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there are two different MIF versions? What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the translated files, once translated? Thanks, Lise -- Michael Norton | Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 8-compatible file format?
FrameMaker just ignores any MIF tags it doesn't recognize, so there should be no problem opening MIF 12 in FM8. I've gone between many different FM versions and never had a problem. As Rick notes FM 12 MIF 12 FM 8 is a better choice than FM 12 MIF 7 FM 8. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame 8-compatible file format?
Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.) Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be opened in Frame 8? According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there are two different MIF versions? What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the translated files, once translated? Thanks, Lise -- *Save the earth.* It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 8-compatible file format?
Thanks, Barbara! And yes, I got to that link from a google search of framemaker 12 save as framemaker 8 so I just copied and pasted that address, but when I click on the link from my e-mail below, I can't get to it either. Weird. Here it is the long way, via google: https://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC4QFjAAurl=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.adobe.com%2Fthread%2F1379901ei=YAusVK73O5b7apbNgYgLusg=AFQjCNEmBz8_NOBAwUe6aEJml4HRTut4Bwsig2=1lld3EvqIObHaVS4tVPRUg Thanks, Lise On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Barbara Ash barb...@urgoal.com wrote: Lise, You need to request .mif 7, and they need to make sure to change the file extension to .mif when they save. By the way, the link you provided to the Adobe forum didn't work for me. Barbara Ash *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lise Bible *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 08:05 AM *To:* Post Framers *Subject:* Frame 8-compatible file format? Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.) Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be opened in Frame 8? According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there are two different MIF versions? What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the translated files, once translated? Thanks, Lise -- *Save the earth.* It's the only planet with chocolate. -- *Save the earth.* It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 8-compatible file format?
Hi Lise, In FrameMaker v12, there are two options for saving in MIF format: MIF 12.0 (*.mif) MIF 7.0 (*.mif) I don't have FrameMaker v8 installed, but I would think you would want files saved in MIF 7.0 format. I do go between FMv10 and FMv12 fairly often and that is the format I use. Hope this helps. -- Lise wrote: Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.) Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be opened in Frame 8? According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there are two different MIF versions? What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the translated files, once translated? Thanks, Lise -- Michael Norton | Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 8-compatible file format?
Hi Lise, In later versions of FrameMaker, there are two MIF versions you can choose: MIF #.#, where #.# is the current FrameMaker version you are saving from and MIF 7.0, which is the pre-unicode version of MIF. You don't want MIF 7.0, you want the current version. So, if they are using FrameMaker 12, they would save as MIF 12.0. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:05 AM To: Post Framers Subject: Frame 8-compatible file format? Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.) Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be opened in Frame 8? According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there are two different MIF versions? What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the translated files, once translated? Thanks, Lise -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 8-compatible file format?
My experience with Language Service Providers is that you simply tell them what version of Frame they have to use on your files. This is part of your contract and they should include it in their quote. Also, I send .fm files and receive .fm in return. I've never exchanged MIF files with the various LSPs I've used over the years. Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.comhttp://www.analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:25 AM To: Barbara Ash Cc: Post Framers Subject: Re: Frame 8-compatible file format? Thanks, Barbara! And yes, I got to that link from a google search of framemaker 12 save as framemaker 8 so I just copied and pasted that address, but when I click on the link from my e-mail below, I can't get to it either. Weird. Here it is the long way, via google: https://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC4QFjAAurl=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.adobe.com%2Fthread%2F1379901ei=YAusVK73O5b7apbNgYgLusg=AFQjCNEmBz8_NOBAwUe6aEJml4HRTut4Bwsig2=1lld3EvqIObHaVS4tVPRUg Thanks, Lise On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Barbara Ash barb...@urgoal.commailto:barb...@urgoal.com wrote: Lise, You need to request .mif 7, and they need to make sure to change the file extension to .mif when they save. By the way, the link you provided to the Adobe forum didn't work for me. Barbara Ash From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 08:05 AM To: Post Framers Subject: Frame 8-compatible file format? Framers, A little googling did not clarify anything for me, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm on Frame 8; none of the added features in subsequent releases seemed relevant enough to me to justify upgrading (and it works fine for me on Windows 7). The issue I have is that I need to send some manuals out for quote to be translated, and I want to make sure that the files they send back to me, can be opened in Frame 8. (I figured it's better to clarify upfront, rather than chance running into issues later. I have no idea what the translation companies are able to provide, but Murphy dictates that if I don't clarify, I'll run into issues.) Now, I know you can't save a file opened in Frame 12 directly as a Frame 8-compatible file, but it looks like you can save as .mif--can that be opened in Frame 8? According to this thread, https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1379901, there are two different MIF versions? What format do I need to request they return, so that I can open the translated files, once translated? Thanks, Lise -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
