Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Combs, Richard
David Levy wrote: 
 
 I'm at the point where, if a client wants the work done in 
 Word, I build it in FM, PDF it, and then use an OCR program 
 to convert it to Word.  The results are better than FM's 
 Save as feature. 

shudder / OCR??? The PDF contains *real words*, not an *image* of the
words! Why on earth would you want to treat it as an image? 
 
 Close my eyes, send it on, and I've never heard back from a client. 

No proofing? You do realize that OCR isn't perfect, don't you? 
 
 Anyone have other suggestions for getting from FM to Word?

By far the best method is Mif2Go
(http://www.omsys.com/dcl/mif2go_main.htm). Acrobat's Save As RTF is OK,
too. For that matter FM's Save As should work better than OCR, assuming
you have an appropriate Word template that uses styles with the same
names as the FM formats. 

Heck, I'd rather save the whole thing as plain text, dump it into a Word
doc, and retag it than use OCR. 

shudder / 

Richard 


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Re: Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, Richard

Combs, Richard wrote:
David Levy wrote: 
I'm at the point where, if a client wants the work done in 
Word, I build it in FM, PDF it, and then use an OCR program 
to convert it to Word.  The results are better than FM's 
Save as feature. 


shudder / OCR??? The PDF contains *real words*, not an *image* of the
words! Why on earth would you want to treat it as an image? 


Hmmm ... I would be surprised if he is using a true image OCR
program. I suspect a mis-speak! :)

While I have no reason to transfer from FrameMaker to Word, I do use
a program from Nuance (formerly Scansoft) called PDF Converter 3
to bring in standard PDF files into Word. This works directly on the
PDF file, not an image.

And, PDF Converter 3 does provide pretty darn good results for this
conversion process.

Z
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RE: Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Combs, Richard
Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: 
 
 Hmmm ... I would be surprised if he is using a true image 
 OCR program. I suspect a mis-speak! :)

Perhaps you're right. But in fact, there's no _other_ kind of OCR
program. OCR stands for optical character recognition. It's the
process of converting an _image_ or _representation_ of a character into
the ASCII (or ANSI or UTF...) character that it appears to represent. 

Pedants 'r Us :-)
Richard 


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Re: Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, Richard

Combs, Richard wrote:
Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: 
 
Hmmm ... I would be surprised if he is using a true image 
OCR program. I suspect a mis-speak! :)


Perhaps you're right. But in fact, there's no _other_ kind of OCR
program. OCR stands for optical character recognition. It's the
process of converting an _image_ or _representation_ of a character into
the ASCII (or ANSI or UTF...) character that it appears to represent. 


Yes, sorry, that is what I meant too. Meaning he is *not* doing a true
OCR from an image - just converting from the PDF file with some software
(like I do).

At least, I hope that is the case! Going to Word from a scanned-in
image (printed from the PDF) would be quite an unusual way to do this!


Pedants 'r Us :-)


:) :)

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Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Combs, Richard
David Levy wrote: 

> I'm at the point where, if a client wants the work done in 
> Word, I build it in FM, PDF it, and then use an OCR program 
> to convert it to Word.  The results are better than FM's 
> "Save as" feature. 

 OCR??? The PDF contains *real words*, not an *image* of the
words! Why on earth would you want to treat it as an image? 

> Close my eyes, send it on, and I've never heard back from a client. 

No proofing? You do realize that OCR isn't perfect, don't you? 

> Anyone have other suggestions for getting from FM to Word?

By far the best method is Mif2Go
(http://www.omsys.com/dcl/mif2go_main.htm). Acrobat's Save As RTF is OK,
too. For that matter FM's Save As should work better than OCR, assuming
you have an appropriate Word template that uses styles with the same
names as the FM formats. 

Heck, I'd rather save the whole thing as plain text, dump it into a Word
doc, and retag it than use OCR. 

 

Richard 


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Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Hi, Richard

Combs, Richard wrote:
> David Levy wrote: 
>> I'm at the point where, if a client wants the work done in 
>> Word, I build it in FM, PDF it, and then use an OCR program 
>> to convert it to Word.  The results are better than FM's 
>> "Save as" feature. 
> 
>  OCR??? The PDF contains *real words*, not an *image* of the
> words! Why on earth would you want to treat it as an image? 

Hmmm ... I would be surprised if he is using a true "image" OCR
program. I suspect a mis-speak! :)

While I have no reason to transfer from FrameMaker to Word, I do use
a program from Nuance (formerly Scansoft) called "PDF Converter 3"
to bring in standard PDF files into Word. This works directly on the
PDF file, not an image.

And, PDF Converter 3 does provide pretty darn good results for this
conversion process.

Z



Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Combs, Richard
Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: 

> Hmmm ... I would be surprised if he is using a true "image" 
> OCR program. I suspect a mis-speak! :)

Perhaps you're right. But in fact, there's no _other_ kind of OCR
program. OCR stands for "optical character recognition." It's the
process of converting an _image_ or _representation_ of a character into
the ASCII (or ANSI or UTF...) character that it appears to represent. 

Pedants 'r Us :-)
Richard 


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Polycom, Inc.
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303-777-0436
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Converting FM to Word (was RE: Creating Popup menus in FrameMaker)

2006-04-27 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Hi, Richard

Combs, Richard wrote:
> Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: 
>  
>> Hmmm ... I would be surprised if he is using a true "image" 
>> OCR program. I suspect a mis-speak! :)
> 
> Perhaps you're right. But in fact, there's no _other_ kind of OCR
> program. OCR stands for "optical character recognition." It's the
> process of converting an _image_ or _representation_ of a character into
> the ASCII (or ANSI or UTF...) character that it appears to represent. 

Yes, sorry, that is what I meant too. Meaning he is *not* doing a true
OCR from an image - just converting from the PDF file with some software
(like I do).

At least, I hope that is the case! Going to Word from a scanned-in
image (printed from the PDF) would be quite an unusual way to do this!

> Pedants 'r Us :-)

:) :)

Z