[Framers] Cross-references between books (PDFs0
Hi all, OK, I know that there has been a discussion recently about this on the list, but I am not sure if my situation differs slightly, so I will ask my question and if it is a repeat, my apologies in advance. I have inherited a MASSIVE multi-book project in which the "Help" as it was called was delivered as individual PDFs in a set structure. Within each of these books, there were not only intra x-references (cross-references w/ in the same file or across files w/in the same book), but also inter-book x-refs (For example, from a file in PDF.1 to a specific location in a file in PDF.2). Here is my question: When working with a file in a book, there will be a link that says to click "Here" and the link is an inter-file link. The format of the link is this: HERE (<$paratext[filename]>, Section <$paranumonly>), where the filename refers to the filename of the PDF of the Framemaker book. I really want to modify this link so that the filename of the book does not show, remove the word "here" and because the sections are being changed to non-numbered headings, I would also change from paranumonly to paratext and the x-ref would be to the heading text, but I still want the link to be displayed in blue to indicate that it is a link. I initially set up a character format called "White" and applied it to the PDF filename and then applied the EmphasisBlue just to the <$paratext> like this: See (<$paratext[filename]><$paratext> But I am getting this in the preview: See "correct heading text." So, yea, the big space is the file name being included, but it is not shown because it is in white - however, because it's "there," I have the space in the x-ref. Does anybody have any ideas as to how I could get this x-ref to work but w/out showing the filename and not having the spacing issues? Thank you! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Cross references between books
Callie, We solved this problem by using a combination of Oracle (any database will do), ColdFusion, and TimeSavers. Now though that sounds involved, it really isn't that bad. Oracle: table that contains the URL of the book file PDFs ColdFusion: web page that call the PDF ID in the Oracle table TimeSavers: shortcut links to the ColdFusion page with the Oracle ID appended. Thus using TimeSavers, links to other books points to a company intranet ColdFusion URL object that calls the PDF's absolute URL, which in turn is stored in the Oracle table. With this method, you can move your PDFs wherever you want, and so long as you update the path in the Oracle table, the links will continue to work. Baruch Brodersen Technitext Documentation ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross references between books
Callie, We solved this problem by using a combination of Oracle (any database will do), ColdFusion, and TimeSavers. Now though that sounds involved, it really isn't that bad. Oracle: table that contains the URL of the book file PDFs ColdFusion: web page that call the PDF ID in the Oracle table TimeSavers: shortcut links to the ColdFusion page with the Oracle ID appended. Thus using TimeSavers, links to other books points to a company intranet ColdFusion URL object that calls the PDF's absolute URL, which in turn is stored in the Oracle table. With this method, you can move your PDFs wherever you want, and so long as you update the path in the Oracle table, the links will continue to work. Baruch Brodersen Technitext Documentation
Cross references between books
Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found. I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross references between books
Hi Callie, The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as the relative positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the links to work. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com - Original Message - From: Callie Bertsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Cross references between books Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found. I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross references between books
So to illustrate what Rick pointed out, if your FM files are set up like this: Product | --- | | Guide A Guide B Your PDFs, after you deliver them, have to be in the same relative directories. They can't be moved, or the links will break. Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Callie, The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as the relative positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the links to work. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com - Original Message - From: Callie Bertsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Cross references between books Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found. I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cross references between books
Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:51 PM To: Callie Bertsche Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Cross references between books So to illustrate what Rick pointed out, if your FM files are set up like this: Product | --- | | Guide A Guide B Your PDFs, after you deliver them, have to be in the same relative directories. They can't be moved, or the links will break. Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Callie, The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as the relative positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the links to work. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com - Original Message - From: Callie Bertsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Cross references between books Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found. I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma il.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cross references between books
Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick: Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather than separate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that the book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files in the correct locations relative to their respective book files, of course). When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker and Acrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book level. It doesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the book. Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works well is to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a special build directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once the PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to collect up and make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cross references between books
Thanks, Fred. I do want to nest my PDF's by one level, although not by the two levels they are currently nested in my doc tree. I like your idea of putting them in a common build folder, but since this changes my level hierarchy, I will have to go through and fix every cross reference between the books when I put them in this folder. I think I can save the .fm file as a .mif, wash one level of the relative path, and resave it as the .fm file, but I feel like that's not going to be a fun process if I want fully operational PDFs very often. How do others address this...is it better to put all your books in one folder to begin with? From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:16 PM To: Callie Bertsche; Art Campbell Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cross references between books Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick: Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather than separate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that the book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files in the correct locations relative to their respective book files, of course). When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker and Acrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book level. It doesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the book. Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works well is to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a special build directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once the PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to collect up and make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cross references between books
The only time I actually had to deal with tis was at my last empoyer, where we used Documentum and the now-discontinued FrameLink interface. No matter what the apparent hierarchy of the files within the Documentum repository, when you checked them out they were all placed in one working directory. (The repository folders were just metadata attributes of the file objects, and could be changed at will without changing anything inside the files themselves.) I may have to face the issue of inter-book x-refs on the project I'm just starting on, and I must say I'm not looking forward to it. -Fred Ridder Subject: RE: Cross references between booksDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:49:46 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: framers@lists.frameusers.com Thanks, Fred. I do want to nest my PDF's by one level, although not by the two levels they are currently nested in my doc tree. I like your idea of putting them in a common build folder, but since this changes my level hierarchy, I will have to go through and fix every cross reference between the books when I put them in this folder. I think I can save the .fm file as a .mif, wash one level of the relative path, and resave it as the .fm file, but I feel like that's not going to be a fun process if I want fully operational PDFs very often. How do others address this...is it better to put all your books in one folder to begin with? From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:16 PMTo: Callie Bertsche; Art CampbellCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Cross references between books Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick: Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather thanseparate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that the book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files in thecorrect locations relative to their respective book files, of course).When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker andAcrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book level. Itdoesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the book. Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works wellis to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a specialbuild directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once the PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And Bruce Foster's Archive tool m akes it relatively painless to collect upand make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross references between books
Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: "There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie
Cross references between books
Hi Callie, The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as the relative positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the links to work. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com - Original Message - From: "Callie Bertsche" <c.berts...@tecplot.com> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Cross references between books > Hi Framers, > I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. > X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to > cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine > in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: "There was an > error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've taken the > following steps: > > 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book > 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the > cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in > book A > 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had > been missing from book B for some reason > > I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one > folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully > use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink > ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in > one folder and it didn't help. > > Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please > reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest > mode. > > Cheers, > Callie > ___
Cross references between books
So to illustrate what Rick pointed out, if your FM files are set up like this: Product | --- | | Guide A Guide B Your PDFs, after you deliver them, have to be in the same relative directories. They can't be moved, or the links will break. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Callie, > > The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as the relative > positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the links to work. > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Callie Bertsche" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM > Subject: Cross references between books > > >> Hi Framers, >> I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. >> X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to >> cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine >> in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: "There was an >> error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've taken the >> following steps: >> >> 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book >> 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the >> cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in >> book A >> 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had >> been missing from book B for some reason >> >> I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one >> folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully >> use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink >> ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in >> one folder and it didn't help. >> >> Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please >> reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest >> mode. >> >> Cheers, >> Callie >> ___ > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Cross references between books
Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... > -Original Message- > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:51 PM > To: Callie Bertsche > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Cross references between books > > So to illustrate what Rick pointed out, if your FM files are > set up like this: > > Product > | > --- > | | > Guide A Guide B > > Your PDFs, after you deliver them, have to be in the same > relative directories. They can't be moved, or the links will break. > > Art > > Art Campbell > art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a > '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson > No > disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > > Hi Callie, > > > > The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as > the relative > > positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the > links to work. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc > > 585-659-8267 > > www.frameexpert.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Callie Bertsche" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM > > Subject: Cross references between books > > > > > >> Hi Framers, > >> I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. > >> X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to > >> cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works > >> fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: > "There was > >> an error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've > >> taken the following steps: > >> > >> 1. I have all files of both books open when building > either book 2. I > >> have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the > >> cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the > cross ref in > >> book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref > >> tags had been missing from book B for some reason > >> > >> I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one > >> folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I > >> successfully use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink > >> ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the > two PDFs in > >> one folder and it didn't help. > >> > >> Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, > >> please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have > the list set > >> on digest mode. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Callie > >> ___ > > > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > > il.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >
Cross references between books
Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick: > Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so > nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with > an add-on like Timesavers... As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather than separate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that the book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files in the correct locations relative to their respective book files, of course). When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker and Acrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book level. It doesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the book. Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works well is to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a special "build" directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once the PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to collect up and make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book. -Fred Ridder
Cross references between books
Thanks, Fred. I do want to nest my PDF's by one level, although not by the two levels they are currently nested in my doc tree. I like your idea of putting them in a common "build" folder, but since this changes my level hierarchy, I will have to go through and fix every cross reference between the books when I put them in this folder. I think I can save the .fm file as a .mif, wash one level of the relative path, and resave it as the .fm file, but I feel like that's not going to be a fun process if I want fully operational PDFs very often. How do others address this...is it better to put all your books in one folder to begin with? From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:16 PM To: Callie Bertsche; Art Campbell Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cross references between books Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick: > Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so > nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with > an add-on like Timesavers... As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather than separate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that the book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files in the correct locations relative to their respective book files, of course). When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker and Acrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book level. It doesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the book. Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works well is to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a special "build" directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once the PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to collect up and make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book. -Fred Ridder
Cross references between books
The only time I actually had to deal with tis was at my last empoyer, where we used Documentum and the now-discontinued FrameLink interface. No matter what the apparent hierarchy of the files within the Documentum repository, when you checked them out they were all placed in one working directory. (The repository folders were just metadata attributes of the file objects, and could be changed at will without changing anything inside the files themselves.) I may have to face the issue of inter-book x-refs on the project I'm just starting on, and I must say I'm not looking forward to it. -Fred Ridder Subject: RE: Cross references between booksDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:49:46 -0700From: c.bertsche at tecplot.comTo: docudoc at hotmail.com; art.campbell at gmail.comCC: framers at lists.frameusers.com Thanks, Fred. I do want to nest my PDF's by one level, although not by the two levels they are currently nested in my doc tree. I like your idea of putting them in a common "build" folder, but since this changes my level hierarchy, I will have to go through and fix every cross reference between the books when I put them in this folder. I think I can save the .fm file as a .mif, wash one level of the relative path, and resave it as the .fm file, but I feel like that's not going to be a fun process if I want fully operational PDFs very often. How do others address this...is it better to put all your books in one folder to begin with? From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:16 PMTo: Callie Bertsche; Art CampbellCc: framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: Cross references between books Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick:> Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so> nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with> an add-on like Timesavers... As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather thanseparate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that the book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files in thecorrect locations relative to their respective book files, of course).When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker andAcrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book level. Itdoesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the book. Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works wellis to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a special"build" directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once the PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to collect upand make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book. -Fred Ridder
