RE: variables interface
Hi Craig, If you leave the Add/Edit Variable window open, you just need to double-click on a variable. Then you can change its definition immediately without clicking on Edit first. However, if the Add/Edit Variable window is not on top of its tab group, it is not shown automatically (like e.g. the Cross-Reference window). Then you must click on the Add/Edit Variable tab to bring it to front. This would be a very good enhancement! Ask for this on the Adobe Feature Request form: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:08 PM To: framers Subject: variables interface I have a template with a series of built in variables that have generic content until used in a specific document. Double-clicking on a variable brings up the variables pod where I then have to click Edit to bring up the window wherein I can actually change the content of the variable. Does anybody know a way to do this in one step? (My current process is clearly a more complicated way to have to change variable content than the old interface provided.) If a one-step edit is not possible, can Adobe please add a modifier key that can be pressed when doubled clicking on a variable so that the Edit window is immediately available? Apologies if I'm doing things the hard way and an obvious solution is available. Please clue me in if that is the case. Thanks, framers! Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: variables interface
Hi Craig, I highly recommend the BookVars plugin from Leximation. I use it to do exactly what you describe in one step. I have several variables that have the same name in all books but different definitions in each book. I maintain a single, master variable file for all of my books, then simply import the set of definitions for that particular book. The BookVars plugin bypasses the Variables pod so you don't have to edit each variable with multiple clicks. Peggy From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:08 AM To: framers Subject: variables interface I have a template with a series of built in variables that have generic content until used in a specific document. Double-clicking on a variable brings up the variables pod where I then have to click Edit to bring up the window wherein I can actually change the content of the variable. Does anybody know a way to do this in one step? (My current process is clearly a more complicated way to have to change variable content than the old interface provided.) If a one-step edit is not possible, can Adobe please add a modifier key that can be pressed when doubled clicking on a variable so that the Edit window is immediately available? Apologies if I'm doing things the hard way and an obvious solution is available. Please clue me in if that is the case. Thanks, framers! Craig This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, please be advised that the content of this message is subject to access, review and disclosure by the sender's e-mail System Administrator. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: variables not hiding when set to conditional text
Hi Linda What formatting do you have applied to your variables? There's a bug that has this effect for xref formats, that makes them unconditional in some circumstances. I'm wondering if you're seeing something similar. Conditional text on variables works fine for us in FM10, so it's not a universal bug. Cheers Rebecca Linda Rose lindaros...@gmail.com 27/09/13 04:56 FM 10 on Win7. When I set a paragraph with variables to be conditional, then hide it, the variable don't hide. Even when I select a variable and apply a conditional tag, it doesn't take. Has anyone else seen this and found a workaround? Is this a defect in FM10? Thanks. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: variables not hiding when set to conditional text
Hi Linda, I am not seeing this with FrameMaker 10. Do you have the latest patch? If you want me to look at your file via a web meeting, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Linda Rose Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:56 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: variables not hiding when set to conditional text FM 10 on Win7. When I set a paragraph with variables to be conditional, then hide it, the variable don't hide. Even when I select a variable and apply a conditional tag, it doesn't take. Has anyone else seen this and found a workaround? Is this a defect in FM10? Thanks. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level
David, That's interesting, thanks for sharing. We do a lot of translation, so this will be helpful to keep in mind as we start to use variables more... Thanks again, Jason Nichols ja...@mkjn.org On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:00 PM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote: -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:49:48 +0300 From: David Shaked da...@almondweb.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level Message-ID: 006801ce4512$b6a81640$23f842c0$@almondweb.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has partners who market the product under their own name. The same document might be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some grammatical issues when using variables. For example: - The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to change a to an throughout, or insert a and an as variables. - The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have been corrupted. We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They could select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a consonant and it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners accepted this, and it worked out fine. I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How did you handle it? David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants ? -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:53:17 -0700 From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com To: da...@almondweb.com da...@almondweb.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level Message-ID: 17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30d23d29...@exchange.ultrasonix.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We do a lot of translation, but I have never encountered this - thanks for the warning of something to watch for. As we were recently acquired and my translation will now be managed through the documentation department at our Danish sister company, it's definitely something I'll follow up on with them. Alison Craig ?| ?Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix Medical Corporation ?| ?#130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada? V6V2K9 T 604-279-8550 ext. 127 ?| ?F 604-279-8559 ?| ?TF 1-866-437-9508 ?| ?www.ultrasonix.com ? -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:55:30 -0500 From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com To: framers framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FW: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level? Message-ID: blu178-w4cd230010cbda7d0269bdd5...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The thing to do is to start with a template that contains all these things so that when you create each file in the book, all these things exist in the place your want them. With already created content (say, files created in a old template that lacks these things), you would create a new template and then import the new template into the files. Actually, if you can do it, it can be best to cut paste content from the old template to the new as it eliminates extras that just happen to exist in the file, but aren't part of your template. (Note: Defined variables in the template will replace the ones in the old file, but undefined variables that exist in the original document will be added to the new file.) Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?
Jason's question was about how, not why. On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote: Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. :-) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?
The BookVars plugin from Leximation will do all of this. It's an excellent plugin. -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jason Nichols Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:44 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level? Is there a way to use the 12 built-in Running H/F variables in FrameMaker to pull in text based on paragraph tags that appear only in other documents within the book? For example, it'd be nice if I could define – in the footer of each chapter in a book – the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file). Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? Thanks in advance, Jason Nichols ja...@mkjn.org ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gillian.fl...@nexenta.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gillian.flato%40nexenta.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?
Jason Nichols wrote: For example, it'd be nice if I could define – in the footer of each chapter in a book – the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file). Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?
Jason Nichols wrote: For example, it'd be nice if I could define – in the footer of each chapter in a book – the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file). Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? Richard Combs wrote: Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. :-) And, then, please get BookVars from Leximation - the most used utility in my FrameMaker setup - to manage the variables far more easily! Then you can maintain the variables in an external text file (editable through the BookVars menu items too) for use with all the FM file in the book. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level
Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has partners who market the product under their own name. The same document might be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some grammatical issues when using variables. For example: - The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to change a to an throughout, or insert a and an as variables. - The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have been corrupted. We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They could select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a consonant and it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners accepted this, and it worked out fine. I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How did you handle it? David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level
We do a lot of translation, but I have never encountered this - thanks for the warning of something to watch for. As we were recently acquired and my translation will now be managed through the documentation department at our Danish sister company, it's definitely something I'll follow up on with them. Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada V6V2K9 T 604-279-8550 ext. 127 | F 604-279-8559 | TF 1-866-437-9508 | www.ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has partners who market the product under their own name. The same document might be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some grammatical issues when using variables. For example: - The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to change a to an throughout, or insert a and an as variables. - The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have been corrupted. We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They could select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a consonant and it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners accepted this, and it worked out fine. I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How did you handle it? David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: variables imported via MIF fragment WAS: global master page changes
I have used it in FM 11 successfully 1/2 dozen times with various clients.I also highly recommend Rick's ImportFormatsSpecial (even more because he updated to FM 11 (to include Object Styles) at my request) -MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.960.6840 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote:I agree that the MIF fragment import is the most elegant (and was my preferred method previously), but I had no success with import from MIF fragment working with FM11. I haven't tried it with FM10. Can someone else confirm that this no longer works with FM11?CraigFrom:Matt Sullivan [mailto:matt@mattrsullivan.com]Sent:Monday, March 25, 2013 4:20 PMTo:craig...@hotmail.comCc:'Timothy DeWees';framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject:Re: global master page changesPerhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is to save the definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any chance of mucking anything else in your files.I refer to "Using MIF Fragments to Update Catalog Settings" on p. 581 of my book whenever I need to do this.-MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.960.6840 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.comimage001.png@mattrsullivanimage002.pngLinkedInimage003.pngfacebookimage004.pngmattrsullivan.comOn Mar 25, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote:I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables from a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used variables) across the range of files that need to be updated.CraigFrom:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf OfTimothy DeWeesSent:Monday, March 25, 2013 4:02 AMTo:framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject:global master page changesI have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The client likes to have a “version” in the header, such as “March 2013 Version”, “April 2013 Version,” etc. Is there a way to globally revise all of my master pages in the book from say March to April in the header title? I’m currently running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using framescript since not everyone working with these documents has framescript. Thanks in advance for the help.Tim DeWees___You are currently subscribed to framers asm...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages toframers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visithttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions tolistad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables pod problems
My understanding is that FM9 had some issues dealing with Win7. Upgrading is the solution, but in the meantime, you could try turning off the aero interface and see if that improves your FM issue. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann Sent: July-06-12 1:26 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Variables pod problems Windows 7 64 bit, Frame 9, just updated to latest version today. My Variables pod is fouled up. There is a white rectangle across all but the Insert and Create New buttons. Some of them still pop up tooltips on mouse over but some don't. On top of this, when I select a custom variable that I want to change and click the Edit button (based on the tool tip, I can't actually see the button), it takes me to the Add/Edit Variable pod, but the Name and Definition fields are blank. Combined, these two problems totally prevent me from making any changes to my variables. My other activated copy of Frame is on an XP machine (SP 3) and this problem doesn't occur there. It's not really an option, though, to do my work on that computer. Help? Thank you, Tim CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete it and all attachments from your computer and network. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables pod problems
I get that too, but when I hold my pointer just underneath the white rectangle the buttons appear. I also have Windows 7 64 bit. It would be nice if they would fix this, but I've been able to work with it. And since Adobe has decided to charge $400 for just a single version upgrade, I may never upgrade. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 06-Jul-12 8:26 PM, Tim Pann wrote: Windows 7 64 bit, Frame 9, just updated to latest version today. My Variables pod is fouled up. There is a white rectangle across all but the Insert and Create New buttons. Some of them still pop up tooltips on mouse over but some don't. On top of this, when I select a custom variable that I want to change and click the Edit button (based on the tool tip, I can't actually see the button), it takes me to the Add/Edit Variable pod, but the Name and Definition fields are blank. Combined, these two problems totally prevent me from making any changes to my variables. My other activated copy of Frame is on an XP machine (SP 3) and this problem doesn't occur there. It's not really an option, though, to do my work on that computer. Help? Thank you, Tim CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete it and all attachments from your computer and network. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables and Character Formats SOLVED
I've decided that the best approach is to have multiple (generally 2) versions of the Variables: one that simply handles the upper/lowercase issue and another that also handles any additional Char Tag issues. Not all products will require 2 Variables as they don't all need to have Char Tags applied. Most situations are handled with the char formatting as part of a Para tag. Thanks for everyone's help. Alison From: Grant Hogarth [mailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM To: Alison Craig Cc: Penelope Perkins; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Variables and Character Formats Alison --- A lot depends on how many variants you have. You will have to define one for each product. (SonixTouch, SonixRemote, SonixMDP, etc.), now if you want SonixTouch Installation to appear that way for the chapter title page and then appear SonixTouch INSTALLATION in the header, that gets a bit tricky, as one can't nest variables in FM. One way to do this define the header on the master page as $ProductName AllCapsChapter Title NameDefault ¶ Font You would also define a charformat tag of AllCaps, and set the value of $chaptertitlename to Installation (See attached.) Others may have other solutions (possibly better) Grant (Sample FM 10 file attached --- although it may get stripped off by the server) On 2/3/2012 5:15 PM, Alison Craig wrote: Penelope: I need the upper/lowercase mix so that when I use the product Variable in an all uppercase header, the product Variable remains a mix of upper/lowercase. For example: CHAPTER 1: SonixTouch INSTALLATION Note that the upper/lowercase mix is a Marketing standard over which I have no control. We used to use all uppercase (SONIXMDP), then we went to a mix (SonixTOUCH) and now a different mix (SonixTouch). It's fun keeping up with Marketing ;-))) From your explanation, I'm going to need multiple versions of some of my product Variables - which is a pain, but doable. If I can't define more than one Char tag inside the Variable (Bold Italic and lowercase), then I'll have to create a new Char tag just to use with Variables. Thanks, Alison From: Penelope Perkins [mailto:penelope.perk...@synergex.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:03 PM To: Alison Craig Subject: RE: Variables and Character Formats Alison, I'm unclear why you need the upper/lower case char formats in the variable. You can just create a variable with the text SonixRemote -- no need for formats at all. However, you are correct that applying a char format to a variable does not work. If you need the product name to be bold or italic in a paragraph that is otherwise not bold or italic, you'll need to define additional variables thus: BoldSonixRemote/ ItalicSonixRemote/ (Using, of course, whatever your char tags are for bold and italic.) Note that if the product name appears in, say, a heading paragraph that includes bold as part of the para format, then it will be bold. You would just use the plain version of the variable and let the para format take care of the bold. Does that make sense? Hope this helps. Regards, Penelope From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Variables and Character Formats FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit FM Experience: 2-½ years I'm having a problem with applying a Character Tag to certain Variables. Some of my Heading styles appear in all Uppercase. However, internal standards require that certain product names always appear in a mix of Uppercase and Lowercase (eg, SonixTouch). To handle this, I create my product Variables as follows: SF-lowercaseonix/TF-lowercaseouch/ This is fine for product Variables that never require the application of a Char Tag. But some product Variables are sometimes required to be Bold, Italic, eg, SonixRemote: SF-lowercase)onix/RF-lowercaseemote/ After applying the Char Tag for Bold, Italic, at some point (during Update Book?) part of the Char Tag is lost so instead of SonixRemote I get SonixRemote. I'm sure my mistake is something reasonably simple, but I have no idea how to fix this. Any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Lead Technical Writer 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gr...@hedgewizard.netmailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
RE: Variables and Character Formats
Penelope: I need the upper/lowercase mix so that when I use the product Variable in an all uppercase header, the product Variable remains a mix of upper/lowercase. For example: CHAPTER 1: SonixTouch INSTALLATION Note that the upper/lowercase mix is a Marketing standard over which I have no control. We used to use all uppercase (SONIXMDP), then we went to a mix (SonixTOUCH) and now a different mix (SonixTouch). It's fun keeping up with Marketing ;-))) From your explanation, I'm going to need multiple versions of some of my product Variables - which is a pain, but doable. If I can't define more than one Char tag inside the Variable (Bold Italic and lowercase), then I'll have to create a new Char tag just to use with Variables. Thanks, Alison From: Penelope Perkins [mailto:penelope.perk...@synergex.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:03 PM To: Alison Craig Subject: RE: Variables and Character Formats Alison, I'm unclear why you need the upper/lower case char formats in the variable. You can just create a variable with the text SonixRemote -- no need for formats at all. However, you are correct that applying a char format to a variable does not work. If you need the product name to be bold or italic in a paragraph that is otherwise not bold or italic, you'll need to define additional variables thus: BoldSonixRemote/ ItalicSonixRemote/ (Using, of course, whatever your char tags are for bold and italic.) Note that if the product name appears in, say, a heading paragraph that includes bold as part of the para format, then it will be bold. You would just use the plain version of the variable and let the para format take care of the bold. Does that make sense? Hope this helps. Regards, Penelope From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Variables and Character Formats FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit FM Experience: 2-½ years I'm having a problem with applying a Character Tag to certain Variables. Some of my Heading styles appear in all Uppercase. However, internal standards require that certain product names always appear in a mix of Uppercase and Lowercase (eg, SonixTouch). To handle this, I create my product Variables as follows: SF-lowercaseonix/TF-lowercaseouch/ This is fine for product Variables that never require the application of a Char Tag. But some product Variables are sometimes required to be Bold, Italic, eg, SonixRemote: SF-lowercase)onix/RF-lowercaseemote/ After applying the Char Tag for Bold, Italic, at some point (during Update Book?) part of the Char Tag is lost so instead of SonixRemote I get SonixRemote. I'm sure my mistake is something reasonably simple, but I have no idea how to fix this. Any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Lead Technical Writer 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables in inset files viewed through container file
Whitney, You wrote: ... Inset file has $filename variable. Container file imports by reference. With Retain Source's Formatting the file name shown through the container is the name of the inset. Good. I want this file name to appear as-is. With Reformat Using Current Document's Formats the file name shown through the container is the name of the container file. Nope. I want this format control, but not that content, that file name. It's the name of the inset that I want to be visible. Doesn't look like a format difference, at least not in the visual sense. How do I make the inset file name from its $filename variable to appear through Reformat Using Current Document's Formats in the container file? Without structured FM? Without script? (Can consider both; looking cheaply first.) ... Use current document's formatting applies to formats, including variables (both user and system variables). To identify the inset in the container, the file name would have to be typed text, not a file name variable. If you switch to Retain Source's Formatting, you may create a utility book of all insets, and then use import formats to update formats in all insets. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Improve Your FrameMaker Skills 1-hour web training sessions ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables established at book level?
Set up one file in the book with the variables the way you want 'em. Then, in the book file, select all the files to which you want to apply them and execute File Import Formats. Select Variables. Apply. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Nancy Allisonma...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, everyone. Is there a way to establish variables in the first file in your book file and have them carry through all the remaining files? The appeal is, I establish book title, part number, and rev date variables on the cover page of my book; I then use those variables in the headers and footers of all the following chapters. It would be great to only have to set them up once, without even using the Import Formats function, through which I have come to grief more than once. Is there a way to change the variables in the Cover file (the first file in my book.fm) and have them carry over into all the remaining book files, without having to do anything more? I know about the plug-in, BookVars, but I think someone mentioned a built-in capability in Frame along those lines. Or did I dream that? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables established at book level?
I have looked before but not found any Frame built-in capability that did this. BookVars is the best way to go here! I could not do without it. My most-oft-used add-on! :) Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Variables established at book level? Hi, everyone. Is there a way to establish variables in the first file in your book file and have them carry through all the remaining files? The appeal is, I establish book title, part number, and rev date variables on the cover page of my book; I then use those variables in the headers and footers of all the following chapters. It would be great to only have to set them up once, without even using the Import Formats function, through which I have come to grief more than once. Is there a way to change the variables in the Cover file (the first file in my book.fm) and have them carry over into all the remaining book files, without having to do anything more? I know about the plug-in, BookVars, but I think someone mentioned a built-in capability in Frame along those lines. Or did I dream that? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables established at book level?
Hi, all. As stated previously, I am aware of the Import function. I thought I had read of some way to set up some document features once, in the book file, and have them ripple automatically through the rest of the book files. My question is, has anyone heard of this? Thanks. It would be great to only have to set them up once, without even using the Import Formats function, through which I have come to grief more than once. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables established at book level?
Nancy, You can do it with cross references, but that can have it's own set of problems. You need to use each variable at least once in your title chapter. Each one has to be in a paragraph by itself, possibly be on an unused master page. Then create a cross reference marker in the paragraph that contains each variable. Then cross reference from anywhere in your book back to the markers in your title chapter. Once it is set up, you can change every cross referenced copy at the same time by updating the variables in the title chapter. Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:34 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Variables established at book level? Hi, all. As stated previously, I am aware of the Import function. I thought I had read of some way to set up some document features once, in the book file, and have them ripple automatically through the rest of the book files. My question is, has anyone heard of this? Thanks. It would be great to only have to set them up once, without even using the Import Formats function, through which I have come to grief more than once. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables established at book level?
Nancy Allison wrote: As stated previously, I am aware of the Import function. I thought I had read of some way to set up some document features once, in the book file, and have them ripple automatically through the rest of the book files. My question is, has anyone heard of this? Thanks. It would be great to only have to set them up once, without even using the Import Formats function, through which I have come to grief more than once. From the book window, it takes literally 5 seconds or less to do: Ctrl+A (select all files) Esc f i o (open Import Formats dialog) Alt+a (Deselect All) Alt+v (select Variable Definitions) Enter (Import) There is no built-in alternative, and I'm not sure there's much of a need. What problem are you trying to solve? How have you come to grief with this procedure? If it's something you want to automate because you forget to do it, then a FrameScript solution is probably best. An event script could import variables from the title file to the other files in the book whenever you save, print, update the book, or whatever. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables established at book level?
Nancy, At my last full-time position we developed our documents to a telecommunications spec. In the spec there is defined a DocID (Document Identifier) file. In this file, which is not published with the book, we had place holders for all of the book-wide variables; title, doc no., doc date, etc. When we worked on a book, this file was usually the first file worked on by updating all of the variables that applied. Then, with this file saved and minimized, all of the variables were imported to all of the other chapters of the book. Made for a very easy way to control the book-wide variables. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Variables established at book level? Hi, everyone. Is there a way to establish variables in the first file in your book file and have them carry through all the remaining files? The appeal is, I establish book title, part number, and rev date variables on the cover page of my book; I then use those variables in the headers and footers of all the following chapters. It would be great to only have to set them up once, without even using the Import Formats function, through which I have come to grief more than once. Is there a way to change the variables in the Cover file (the first file in my book.fm) and have them carry over into all the remaining book files, without having to do anything more? I know about the plug-in, BookVars, but I think someone mentioned a built-in capability in Frame along those lines. Or did I dream that? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: variables in book files
A variable that is tied to a specific tag in File A can't be seen by File B because the source tag doesn't exist in B -- a variable of the type that you're using is limited to the file in which it exists. A couple of better ways of achieving what you want would be to: * Use a cross-reference in the footer that points to the SectionTitle tag. * In the Book file, select the files in the section, right-click, and use Numbering to set the $volnum variable to whatever text string you need for a set of component files. Then invoke the $volnum building block in your footers instead of $paratext. * Create a variable of your own (SectionTltleContent) that you then use instead of typing text into the SectionTitle tag in A. This type of user variable can be rippled throughout all component books because it's free-standing. Once it's set in A, use File Import Formats and specify Variables in B and the other component files to import it. You can change the contents whenever the Section changes. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Jon Harvey jhar...@cambridgesoft.com wrote: Windows XP Pro Frame 7.2 Everyone, I'm having trouble getting a variable value to display content in a book. Here's what I have going: The book includes files A and B. File A comes before file B in the book. File A has a heading whose paragraph format is SectionTitle (and the heading does contain text). In the footer of File B, I've included a Running H/F 6 variable whose definition is $paratext[SectionTitle]. After generating the book file and updating variables, the value of the variable still doesn't appear in file B. What gives? Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Enterprise Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
David Bills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/10/2006 04:50:57 AM: The point I'm attempting to make is that large departments, particularly those that weigh specialized technical skills and experience higher than desktop publishing skills, should factor the Frame capabilities of their less skilled Frame users into these types of decisions. And employees, who value their jobs and take professional pride in their work should be able to learn to do something fairly simple like making Xrefs. But I understand your concern. Some people just can't 'get' certain ways of working. But, IMO, it is the place of management to set the minimum expectations and discipline accordingly. Actually, if your Xrefs were breaking it was probably more to do with the setup than the writers. No amount of training will help a Frame user keep Xrefs connected if the path includes a drive root. Those will break eventually no matter how hard you try. But, all limitations in that regard can be overcome with either the BookUtils plug-in or an in-house script. It can be as simple as each file having a copy of the nomenclature file copied locally so that all links are relative and immediate. The Xrefs then simply need to be pointed to the central file for production or copies of the central file placed with the working files. However you maintain and/or store the target files, maintaining and resolving the Xrefs should be quite simple to do. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric, It may not be a relevant issue for you, but our department switched from xrefs to variables because the less experienced Frame users kept breaking the links and generating unresolved xrefs. We didn't think this would be difficult problem to resolve, but a number of the writers kept breaking the links after they had been trained, so we changed the way we managed the nomenclatures. The point I'm attempting to make is that large departments, particularly those that weigh specialized technical skills and experience higher than desktop publishing skills, should factor the Frame capabilities of their less skilled Frame users into these types of decisions. Dave Bills - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@frameusers.com Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?] The text content of a cross-reference is limited by what you can build using the Xref building blocks. It may be possible to have a Xref that produces multiple paragraphs (Using \R in the def?) but I doubt it would be workable. But to combine multiple paragraphs, you need to have information that's consistently tagged and organised. Then, it's only really workable to create strings as I have done. For multiple paras, I'd stick to insets. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/09/2006 10:41:06 AM: No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dmbills%40cfl.rr.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
This might work better than text insets. I use text insets for definitions of fields on screens and for introductory paragraphs that are used in more than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. Nancy Carpenter Lead Technical Writer GENCO Distribution System 100 Papercraft Park Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238 |-+--- | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Sent by:| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | meusers.com | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2006 09:58 AM | | | | |-+--- --| | | | To: Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: framers@frameusers.com | | Subject: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?] | --| Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/08/2006 11:57:39 AM: In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. Personally, I don't like conditional text. Usually it gets far too complex very quickly and you're hobbled by the limitation of OR logic for overlapping conditions. But, are variables the right answer? Why not Xrefs instead? Perhaps this idea isn't terribly Earth shattering, but it came to me in a flash and I've been using it successfully for some time now. The idea struck me as more of a 'DUH' kind of realisation when I implemented it, but after giving a FrameMaker class, I was amazed at how foreign the idea seemed to so many. The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. So, I turned to cross-references. A stand-alone document contains a three column table. Column 1 - CB Number Column 2 - CB Placard Column 3 - Complete description ex: CB1 LIGHTINGCB1, LIGHTING Three cross-reference formats are used: 1 - CBNumber 2 - CBPlacard 3 - CBPlacard (Num) So, depending on the requirements I can include CB1, LIGHTING, or LIGHTING (CB1) in my documentation. If the placard or information changes, I change the source document and that's it. A generate update of all books ensures the data is correct. I've actually begun using the same approach for terms and equipment names. Any text that needs to maintain consistency is grouped with like terms in a file. So three HUGE advantages IMO. First, no need to maintain a MIF snippet of variables or using a script/plug-in to import user variables only (because invariably, one or more of the system variables are defined differently for different sections/files). Second, instead of hundreds of variables, I have 3 Xref formats. Third, generating and updating is already a step in the publishing process. So, the step of importing variables is skipped and not there to be forgotten. What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
The text content of a cross-reference is limited by what you can build using the Xref building blocks. It may be possible to have a Xref that produces multiple paragraphs (Using \R in the def?) but I doubt it would be workable. But to combine multiple paragraphs, you need to have information that's consistently tagged and organised. Then, it's only really workable to create strings as I have done. For multiple paras, I'd stick to insets. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/09/2006 10:41:06 AM: No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: HidingPages?]
Okay, open mouth and insert foot. I know they are different, but I made a sloppy jump in logic and communication. Still have not grown out of that habit. : ) I was thinking that a cross reference might solve a problem that I have with text insets. I will open that in another thread. Nancy Carpenter Lead Technical Writer GENCO Distribution System 100 Papercraft Park Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238 Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Subject: Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: HidingPages?] 06/09/2006 11:23 AM Umm, I think you're comingling two different things. Text insets (content inserted by reference) are quite different than cross-references. Eric was talking about cross-references, but in your reply you seem to be talking about text insets although you use both terms. Text insets are used to import the content of a named text flow, usually in a separate, external file. There is no limit to the size of text insets; they can be as small as a single word, if that is all that is contained in the referenced flow (although in this case you have to remember to choose the Insert as Plain Text option) or can be as large as hundreds of pages. Cross-references generate a text string in the local document based on the location of a cross-reference marker that exists in some FrameMaker document (either the current file or a separate one). The content of the text string can br defined in the cross- reference format, and can inlcude literal text as well as picking up various properties rlated to the marker, such as the page number of the page where it's located, all or part of any auto-numbering that is applied to the paragraph containing the marker, or the text of the paragraph itself. There is no possibility for a cross-reference to pick up more than a single paragraph's contents (the paragraph where the marker is located) although there is no real limit on how big that single paragraph can be. Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ From: nancy carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: HidingPages?] Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:39:11 -0400 This might work better than text insets. I use text insets for definitions of fields on screens and for introductory paragraphs that are used in more than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. Nancy Carpenter Lead Technical Writer GENCO Distribution System 100 Papercraft Park Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238 |-+--- | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Sent by:| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | meusers.com | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2006 09:58 AM | | | | |-+--- --| | | | To: Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: framers@frameusers.com | | Subject: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?] | --| Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/08/2006 11:57:39 AM: In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. Personally, I don't like conditional text. Usually it gets far too complex very quickly and you're hobbled by the limitation of OR logic for overlapping conditions. But, are variables the right answer? Why not Xrefs instead? Perhaps this idea isn't terribly Earth shattering, but it came to me in a flash and I've been using it successfully for some time now. The idea
RE: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric Dunn wrote: The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. So, I turned to cross-references. snip detailed description What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Yeah, potentially char formats, but maybe not. IIRC, there are some formatting characteristics that are preserved in xrefs and some that aren't. I think the basic variants of a font (e.g., bold, italic) are discarded, but significant changes (e.g., Symbol, superscript) are preserved. I'm afraid I don't recall the details -- maybe someone else does? I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! If your deliverables are printed books, of course, this isn't an issue. :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! Actually they'd become BROKEN hyperlinks, since most likely the referenced document isn't included in the doc set! Deb Correia ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/09/2006 01:09:11 PM: I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! Not a problem. You just change all those Xrefs into text and all is good. The Xref formats used for the purpose of terminology are used ONLY for terminology... Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric, Nice innovation. One of the challenges some writing teams face is project portability vs. linking to shared content on a network. Sometimes variables provide a way to maintain portability and standards without requiring a live connection to a LAN architecture. Single-sourcing and using shared content across multiple documents in a library and among several writers at various locations can get challenging. Your solution could work for some situations that come to my mind, though. In my experience, you can format a cross-reference by using various character tags in the cross-reference definition, but any cross-reference otherwise uses the paragraph formatting of the destination, rather than the source. For most traditional uses of cross-referencing, this default works well. Whether you can flip that around by hacking at something, I don't know...but I usually avoid changing .ini files and the like, if at all possible. Rene Stephenson --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables
Hello All, Thanks to everyone who responded, including those you wrote to me offline. Select all files in the book, then in the Volume field in the Numbering Properties dialog box, type the name of the book. In the master pages of each file in the book, select the Volume Number variable. This is an excellent method for maintaining the correct book title whether the file is referenced or not. In the past, I'd written the book title in the footer manually, which meant that if I imported formats from a different book, the title was overwritten. Regards, Patricia Patricia Carmel | Technical Communications Manager | Unipier Ltd | Mobile: +972-54-492-2958 | Ext: +972-9-892-0808 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables
Sure, it's easy, but you need to load the variable once for for each book. And you're trying to use a system variable, which is unlikely to work and hard to do. User variables are a snap. With the master page open (I do this in my chapter template file, but you can certainly do it in any working chapter instead), put the cursor where you want the title to show up. Select Special Variable Create Variable. The name I use is DocTitle, but it doesn't matter; the Definition is the title of the book. Click Add. Then Insert it in the footer. Then use Import Formats Variables to import it into all chapters of your book. Insert it again on your cover/title pages in the regular text flow. Next book, edit the definition in one file and Import it again; the change will ripple through all the files. Art On 1/29/06, Patricia Carmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Is there a way to create a variable that will display the book's title in the master page footer? I've used Running H/F 8 using the same method I used for other variables but the footer is blank. The most likely reason is that the variable doesn't know to look at the front cover for the text - is there a way of directing the variable to a different file in the book? Even as I ask the question, it seems improbable. However, if there's a solution out there, I'd like to use it. The reason I want to find a solution to this is to be able to use the same file in different books and have the footer information reflect the book's name automatically. TIA. Regards, Patricia Patricia Carmel | Technical Communications Manager | Unipier Ltd | Mobile: +972-54-492-2958 | Ext: +972-9-892-0808 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables
Hi Art, I just created two mock books with phoney files and then tried your method. This also works beautifully. I originally tried something else that didn't work, but damned if I can remember what. So I now have the choice of two different methods: using the one that Art describes below or using the #Volume method I described in an earlier post. Thanks for your input, everyone. Patricia -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:19 PM To: Patricia Carmel Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Variables Sure, it's easy, but you need to load the variable once for for each book. And you're trying to use a system variable, which is unlikely to work and hard to do. User variables are a snap. With the master page open (I do this in my chapter template file, but you can certainly do it in any working chapter instead), put the cursor where you want the title to show up. Select Special Variable Create Variable. The name I use is DocTitle, but it doesn't matter; the Definition is the title of the book. Click Add. Then Insert it in the footer. Then use Import Formats Variables to import it into all chapters of your book. Insert it again on your cover/title pages in the regular text flow. Next book, edit the definition in one file and Import it again; the change will ripple through all the files. Art On 1/29/06, Patricia Carmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Is there a way to create a variable that will display the book's title in the master page footer? I've used Running H/F 8 using the same method I used for other variables but the footer is blank. The most likely reason is that the variable doesn't know to look at the front cover for the text - is there a way of directing the variable to a different file in the book? Even as I ask the question, it seems improbable. However, if there's a solution out there, I'd like to use it. The reason I want to find a solution to this is to be able to use the same file in different books and have the footer information reflect the book's name automatically. TIA. Regards, Patricia Patricia Carmel | Technical Communications Manager | Unipier Ltd | Mobile: +972-54-492-2958 | Ext: +972-9-892-0808 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma il.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables
Art, can you elaborate on what's problematic with the Volume Number system variable? I do understand that if you set it to text, rather than numeric, you forgo auto-numbering of the volume. Your comment seems to imply that there's a bug or some other kind of unreliability. At 10:19 AM -0500 1/30/06, Art Campbell wrote: Sure, it's easy, but you need to load the variable once for for each book. And you're trying to use a system variable, which is unlikely to work and hard to do. User variables are a snap. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables
Nope, didn't mean to imply that; it works fine the way you structured it. I was speaking of system variables generally, not picking on $Volnum. (The original post was related to carrying the Doc Title forward by embedding the contents of a tag in a system variable; that's the methodology to which I was referring.) But that route isn't an option for me, or I suspect many people, because $Volnum is already in use as a Volume/Part/Section counter. If you need to auto-number something, you have to use system variables (As the name of $Volnum implies.) and there's a lmited number of them. So I always use User Variables for text-handling such as book titles, product names, model numbers, company names, and so on. If I need another one, it's always available -- no limit on the number of them, so far as I know. Art On 1/30/06, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art, can you elaborate on what's problematic with the Volume Number system variable? I do understand that if you set it to text, rather than numeric, you forgo auto-numbering of the volume. Your comment seems to imply that there's a bug or some other kind of unreliability. At 10:19 AM -0500 1/30/06, Art Campbell wrote: Sure, it's easy, but you need to load the variable once for for each book. And you're trying to use a system variable, which is unlikely to work and hard to do. User variables are a snap. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
