Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Mike Wickham
Okay. I see now that I wasn't even seeing the TOC window at 1920 pixels wide because I have IE set to display at 150%. So I didn't know what I was missing. When I dropped down to 125% view, it popped in. Mike Wickham On 12/15/2014 1:33 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: At around 1280 pixels or wide

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
At around 1280 pixels or wider, there's a TOC nav tree in a left-hand pane. In the middle of the border between the TOC and the topic pane, there's a left arrow you can click to minimize the TOC. Minimized, there's a right arrow to expand it. At less than 1280, the expanded or minimized TOC disapp

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Mike Wickham
I'm viewing on a monitor, not a phone. For me, the TOC button moves to the bottom of the screen when window size is reduced. Mike Wickham On 12/15/2014 12:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: That seems like really bad UI to me. Not only does the TOC disappear, there's nothing you can click on to ge

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread David Spreadbury
Robert,The previous version is installed with FrameMaker 12 as a chm. It even has the Endnotes sections.I have the PDF of the CHM. Can't remember where I found it though. If you want a copy I can forward.Dave Spreadbury On Monday, December 15, 2014 12:54 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
That seems like really bad UI to me. Not only does the TOC disappear, there's nothing you can click on to get it. Is that the default appearance of FrameMaker's / RoboHelp's Responsive HTML5 output? To me it looks amateurish and ugly, the kind of bad design that I was happy to lose when I migrated

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Scott Prentice
Sorry if this is obvious to some .. I'm thinking it's not obvious to all. This Help system *is* responsive .. it's just that the "response" points seem to be at odd sizes (at least to me). If your browser window is around 1300px wide, you'll get the "full" set of features. At around 1000px you

RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Keith Soltys
Nodland Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:54 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF I agree. I downloaded the PDF instead. A lot of web content seems to be going the way of cell phone/small screen display. In the USA I see more

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Ed Nodland
I agree. I downloaded the PDF instead. A lot of web content seems to be going the way of cell phone/small screen display. In the USA I see more and more sites starting to look like cell phone displays with less real information. It appears that instead of implementing responsive HTML, companies

RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

2014-12-15 Thread Davis, David
I don't wanna be overly blunt, but the new online help basically looks terrible (on my Windows 7 / IE10 default setup). The fonts are enormous and you have to click through too many layers of headings to find anything, with no ToC or breadcrumb trail. The plain fact is that the printed manual tr

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread David Spreadbury
Just compare the TOC of the help file that ships with Frame 12 against the TOC of the new guide.The chapter that includes endnotes, in the current version, is missing several sections in the new version.A simple search of the new version for 'endnotes' will come back with "Not Found". On

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston
The word "endnote" does not appear in the new PDF, so that's pretty definitely gone. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > Are you sure the items are missing? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. S

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Mike Wickham
Are you sure the items are missing? The blog about the new help files said: "*/Content organization:/* FrameMaker is a powerful product packed with rich functionality. However, not all users use all of its functionality all the time. While improving the guide, we made a conscious attempt to mi

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston
The new version has larger type, more white space, more headings, and lower dpi for screen shots, so, for example, the content on page 347 of the new version takes only about 3/4 of page 230 in the old version. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:18 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: > From the size of the "New"

RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
, 2014 12:03 PM To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5 The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for "footnote" do not include this "Create and edit footnotes" topic: http://

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread David Spreadbury
>From the size of the "New" version, compared to the "Old" version, I would >expect a lot of good stuff.Old has just shy of 700 pages. New has just shy of >1000 pages.That's 300 pages of information that wasn't available in the >"Old".I have to ask, why are there items missing from the "New"?

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
I have not looked at the content yet, but Adobe documentation should be an exemplar, and IMHO a four-level TOC is not. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.co

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread David Spreadbury
Robert,Comparing the TOC of the "New" Using Framemaker 12 against the TOC of the one you referenced this morning (see below) concerning endnotes, there are several sections missing in the "New" version.Maybe keeping both links available would be a temporary fix.Just like I keep a copy of the Fra

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston
The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for "footnote" do not include this "Create and edit footnotes" topic: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS6C3D24E6-2965-48bb-B6CF-50D1439AEB01.html Or maybe you just cut some content. Searching for "endnote" finds nothing. Something's wr

RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:37 AM To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5 That obfuscated link resolves to http://help.stage.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/

RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5 That obfuscated link resolves to http://help.stage.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html which is presumably your internal-only staging area. If you remove the "stage."

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston
That obfuscated link resolves to http://help.stage.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html which is presumably your internal-only staging area. If you remove the "stage." it works correctly. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote: > Here are the direct links to th

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Scott Prentice
Try the non-stage versions of the URLs .. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_getstarted_gs%2Ffrm_getstarted_gs-1.htm http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/using-framemaker-12.pdf Cheers! ...scott On 12/12/14 11:17 AM, Lind

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Linda Rose
Hi Maxwell I'd love to see the HTML 5 Responsive layout but neither link works for me in FF or Chrome. Linda On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote: > > Adobe has updated online Documentation for FrameMaker 12 (click the HELP > button to try it out.) > > The TWEET below has li

Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread David Spreadbury
Maxwell,It would be great to be able to download the PDF or link to the HTML version but both links above don't work.My preference would be the PDF. I prefer to have a local copy.The HTML5 link does work. On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:53 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote: Adobe has upda

online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5

2014-12-12 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
Adobe has updated online Documentation for FrameMaker 12 (click the HELP button to try it out.) The TWEET below has link to blog with details and illustrations: NEW #FrameMaker User’s Guide: Sliced, Diced, and Enhanced [Now in HTML5 Responsive Layout!] - adobe.ly/1yGIrTH Here are the direct li