Yes, Steve, it's true.
There will be no CS7, just CC (Creative Cloud) apps.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html
Single apps can be rented for $20/month, the entire suite is
$50/month. There are first year discounts for some current users.
CC requires that your computer get
Pardon my ignorance, but what is SaaS basis?
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:38 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness -
This is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on CD/DVD
while you still can. A number of my friends, most connected with academic
institutions, are doing that.
I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as regards
these applications so that one set of help
As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download
the help file as a PDF (it makes a great user manual, btw). Since the PDF
has the revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new
revision is released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF.
Craig
I just did the same search (i.e. change bars) and it worked fine. Maybe
they fixed it.
I see my previous post missed that you are searching not just the FM10 help
but the broader range of the Adobe Community, etc.
Craig
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean
that you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not
some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke
your ability of use the software in that state, and they have certain
Actually, the right subscription model might appeal to many companies. It
can be cost effective for the company (a known monthly, smallish outflow of
cash), but is certainly harder on the user/contractor since they will be
more acutely aware of the fact that they are having to constantly
Ditto what Bill said. Just glad I didn't have to write all of that. :-)
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM
To: Steve Rickaby
Cc:
Hello again, Framers,
I have three landscape master pages: LandscapeHeading1 (the first page),
LandscapeRight, and LandscapeLeft.
MasterPageMaps on the Reference page defines paragraph tag LandscapeTable to
use Landscape Right and Landscape Left master pages, with a Range Indicator of
Until
I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with
me? Anyone? Anyone?
*crickets chirp*
=D
Nadine
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From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
Subject: FW:
Even better, let's all switch to DITA and use whatever tools we like for
editing and publishing.
On 2013-05-11 14:33, Writer wrote:
I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with
me? Anyone? Anyone?
*crickets chirp*
=D
Nadine
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I raise my hand ... :)
Now ... who is responsible for getting funding?
Z
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:33 AM
To: craig...@hotmail.com;
Syed: smaller-entity users (such as individual tech writers, graphics
artists and consultants) for whom the cost of tools is an issue...
I AM one of them and the cost of tools is very much an issue...I could
never have afforded the one-time purchase of thousands of dollars I'd need
to get what's
Hi, John!
Clearly, there will definitely be people for whom it will work ... and if the
model works for you, then great! But, I think that in many cases, the complete
set of CC tools may not be needed and/or wanted.
For example, all I need from Adobe is for the old update fee for FrameMaker,
Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no doubt you
can make a case for subscription but you can also make a case for getting
the disks or downloading the software.
Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose what we want? Why is
mailing me disks for additional cost
SaaS = software as a service, which usually means a web application
you access through a browser. That's not what Adobe's doing.
Creative Cloud applications are locally installed just like always.
The only difference is that the license has an expiration date. If you
don't pay and it expires,
On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote:
Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no
doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a
case for getting the disks or downloading the software.
Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose
This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are
so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
Nadine
PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise
to create an FM competitor?
Almost everyone keeps ignoring
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer
generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:
I say we start a new company and create a competitor
to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone?
Well... we've had one on the back burner for several
years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project,
so zero
Funny how people put words between the lines...
On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote:
That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially
true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers
for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we
Jeremy,
Very keen to know more, mate. Time for a robust system that does what FM
used to do so well.
Alan
On 12/05/13 12:54 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer
generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:
I say we start a new company and create a competitor
to
I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with
me? Anyone? Anyone?
*crickets chirp*
=D
Nadine
- Original Message -
> From: Craig Ede
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
> Subject: FW: Corporate madness
Even better, let's all switch to DITA and use whatever tools we like for
editing and publishing.
On 2013-05-11 14:33, Writer wrote:
> I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's
> with me? Anyone? Anyone?
>
> *crickets chirp*
>
> =D
>
> Nadine
>
>
> - Original
I raise my hand ... :)
Now ... who is responsible for getting funding?
Z
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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:33 AM
To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at
eusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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SaaS = software as a service, which usually means a web application
you access through a browser. That's not what Adobe's doing.
Creative Cloud applications are locally installed just like always.
The only difference is that the license has an expiration date. If you
don't pay and it expires,
This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are
so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
Nadine
PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise
to create an FM competitor?
>Almost everyone keeps ignoring
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer
wrote:
>I say we start a new company and create a competitor
>to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone?
Well... we've had one on the back burner for several
years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project,
so zero financing needed,
Jeremy Griffith wrote:
> Writer wrote:
> > I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker!
> > Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone?
>
> Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically
> it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a
One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100%
on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce
support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch
releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to
reduced complexity.
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