Re: Conditional Text in structured documents?
Jakob, It does sound as though the problem in your first attempt resulted from not applying the condition tag to the end-of-paragraph character. I don't know how you are selecting the Comment element. If you select the element by clicking on its bubble in the Structure View, or by searching for it, the selection will include the delimiter character and you should have no problem. However, if you are viewing element boundaries, it is possible in the document window to drag over one element boundary, through the element contents and over the other boundary without selecting the end-of-paragraph. You can then apply a condition tag to the selected content and create the situation you reported. I'm not sure what you meant about how to hide and then show all Comment paragraphs. Once the condition tag is applied to all Comment elements, you set conditional text show/hide settings to do just that. By the way, rather than assigning the condition tag to the Comment elements as you create them, you can do it afterwards. Assign the condition tag to one Comment element. Then select that element and use Copy Special to copy the condition tag to the clipboard. You can then do a global change, searching for Comment elements and changing by pasting to apply the condition tag to all Comment elements. --Lynne At 07:25 AM 1/13/2006, Jakob Fix wrote: Roger, On 12/01/06, Roger Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Jakob > > Have you tried applying the condition to the Comment element itself, > rather than to the text in it? You would do this by selecting the > element in the Structure View. We do this all the time for some > elements, and they do not result in an empty line. Of course, I tried. And I got the mentioned empty line. Because of this, we had to design a special paragraph format (height: 0pt, font-color: white, etc). I know ... Anyway, I just tried it again, just to be able to tell you that I've got the same result, and this time it actually worked! I don't know what I did different this time. However, I'm not sure how I can actually hide all Comment paragraphs at once and show them again. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Jakob, It does sound as though the problem in your first attempt resulted from not applying the condition tag to the end-of-paragraph character. I don't know how you are selecting the Comment element. If you select the element by clicking on its bubble in the Structure View, or by searching for it, the selection will include the delimiter character and you should have no problem. However, if you are viewing element boundaries, it is possible in the document window to drag over one element boundary, through the element contents and over the other boundary without selecting the end-of-paragraph. You can then apply a condition tag to the selected content and create the situation you reported. I'm not sure what you meant about how to hide and then show all Comment paragraphs. Once the condition tag is applied to all Comment elements, you set conditional text show/hide settings to do just that. By the way, rather than assigning the condition tag to the Comment elements as you create them, you can do it afterwards. Assign the condition tag to one Comment element. Then select that element and use Copy Special to copy the condition tag to the clipboard. You can then do a global change, searching for Comment elements and changing by pasting to apply the condition tag to all Comment elements. --Lynne At 07:25 AM 1/13/2006, Jakob Fix wrote: >Roger, > >On 12/01/06, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: > > Hello Jakob > > > > Have you tried applying the condition to the Comment element itself, > > rather than to the text in it? You would do this by selecting the > > element in the Structure View. We do this all the time for some > > elements, and they do not result in an empty line. > >Of course, I tried. And I got the mentioned empty line. Because of >this, we had to design a special paragraph format (height: 0pt, >font-color: white, etc). I know ... > >Anyway, I just tried it again, just to be able to tell you that I've >got the same result, and this time it actually worked! I don't know >what I did different this time. However, I'm not sure how I can >actually hide all Comment paragraphs at once and show them again. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Roger, On 12/01/06, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: > Hello Jakob > > Have you tried applying the condition to the Comment element itself, > rather than to the text in it? You would do this by selecting the > element in the Structure View. We do this all the time for some > elements, and they do not result in an empty line. Of course, I tried. And I got the mentioned empty line. Because of this, we had to design a special paragraph format (height: 0pt, font-color: white, etc). I know ... Anyway, I just tried it again, just to be able to tell you that I've got the same result, and this time it actually worked! I don't know what I did different this time. However, I'm not sure how I can actually hide all Comment paragraphs at once and show them again. I've got the Sourcerer plugin sent by the Advantica people, and it appears extremely powerful. I think, I'll have a closer look at it. > Another option is to define the Comment element as a marker element. If > you do this, there is no need for conditional text at all. However, you > are limited to 255 characters, and authors would need to actively search > for the markers in order to read the comments. A plugin like IXGen would > make this simple, though. > > Hope this helps. Yes, thank you. > Roger Shuttleworth > London, Canada > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+rshuttleworth=activplant.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+rshuttleworth=activplant.com at lists.frameusers.co > m] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:32 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: Conditional Text in structured documents? > > Hello, > > I've read chapter 17 "Conditional Text" of the User Guide several > times in order to find out how I can do the following, but without > success: > > I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the > final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in > the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this > exact purpose. d like to use a paragraph-level element, "Comment" > which I can hide or show. Authors can type as much or as few as is > required in these elements. Once the document moves to the final > layout check stage, we'll hide the Comments elements by switching > Conditional Text off, and can then make the final adjustments for the > print layout. > > Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but > not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding > it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that > empty space. > > Could somebody tell me if that's possible, or not? In the latter case, > I will be looking for another solution. > > Thanks in advance. -- cheers, Jakob.
Conditional Text in structured documents?
At 4:32 pm +0100 12/1/06, Jakob Fix wrote: >I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the >final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in >the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this >exact purpose. ... >Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but >not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding >it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that >empty space. The first time I read this, I didn't notice the word 'element', and assumed that Jakob's problem was merely because he was applying the conditional tag to the comment text but not to the comment paragraph's trailing paragraph marker - which would have the effect he describes. Is this true, that an element cannot be made conditional? It's inelegant, and I've not tried it, but how about making the comment element an inline? But if your comments are not true comments, but in fact conditional blocks of text that you want to use in some single-source set-up for print vs. on-line, it sounds as if you might need a more comprehensive solution, such as Mif2Go (if it works with structure - not sure), or, as suggested, Sourcerer. -- Steve
Re: Conditional Text in structured documents?
Roger, On 12/01/06, Roger Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Jakob > > Have you tried applying the condition to the Comment element itself, > rather than to the text in it? You would do this by selecting the > element in the Structure View. We do this all the time for some > elements, and they do not result in an empty line. Of course, I tried. And I got the mentioned empty line. Because of this, we had to design a special paragraph format (height: 0pt, font-color: white, etc). I know ... Anyway, I just tried it again, just to be able to tell you that I've got the same result, and this time it actually worked! I don't know what I did different this time. However, I'm not sure how I can actually hide all Comment paragraphs at once and show them again. I've got the Sourcerer plugin sent by the Advantica people, and it appears extremely powerful. I think, I'll have a closer look at it. > Another option is to define the Comment element as a marker element. If > you do this, there is no need for conditional text at all. However, you > are limited to 255 characters, and authors would need to actively search > for the markers in order to read the comments. A plugin like IXGen would > make this simple, though. > > Hope this helps. Yes, thank you. > Roger Shuttleworth > London, Canada > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > m] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:32 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: Conditional Text in structured documents? > > Hello, > > I've read chapter 17 "Conditional Text" of the User Guide several > times in order to find out how I can do the following, but without > success: > > I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the > final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in > the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this > exact purpose. d like to use a paragraph-level element, "Comment" > which I can hide or show. Authors can type as much or as few as is > required in these elements. Once the document moves to the final > layout check stage, we'll hide the Comments elements by switching > Conditional Text off, and can then make the final adjustments for the > print layout. > > Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but > not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding > it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that > empty space. > > Could somebody tell me if that's possible, or not? In the latter case, > I will be looking for another solution. > > Thanks in advance. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional Text in structured documents?
At 4:32 pm +0100 12/1/06, Jakob Fix wrote: >I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the >final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in >the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this >exact purpose. ... >Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but >not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding >it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that >empty space. The first time I read this, I didn't notice the word 'element', and assumed that Jakob's problem was merely because he was applying the conditional tag to the comment text but not to the comment paragraph's trailing paragraph marker - which would have the effect he describes. Is this true, that an element cannot be made conditional? It's inelegant, and I've not tried it, but how about making the comment element an inline? But if your comments are not true comments, but in fact conditional blocks of text that you want to use in some single-source set-up for print vs. on-line, it sounds as if you might need a more comprehensive solution, such as Mif2Go (if it works with structure - not sure), or, as suggested, Sourcerer. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Thanks Rick, On 12/01/06, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > I would take a look at Sourcerer from Advantica. This allows you to set > conditions using attributes instead of conditional text directly. One of the > tutorials shows how it can be used for comments. I don't have the URL, but > if you Google Sourcerer, it should come up. I have been using it recently, http://my.advantica.biz/sourcerer/ > and highly recommend it. that looks promising. I'll have a look. -- cheers, Jakob.
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Hello, I've read chapter 17 "Conditional Text" of the User Guide several times in order to find out how I can do the following, but without success: I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this exact purpose. d like to use a paragraph-level element, "Comment" which I can hide or show. Authors can type as much or as few as is required in these elements. Once the document moves to the final layout check stage, we'll hide the Comments elements by switching Conditional Text off, and can then make the final adjustments for the print layout. Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that empty space. Could somebody tell me if that's possible, or not? In the latter case, I will be looking for another solution. Thanks in advance. -- cheers, Jakob.
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Jakob, If you have a need for calling Sourcerer from another plugin or script, please let me know. Thanks. Rick Thanks Rick, On 12/01/06, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > I would take a look at Sourcerer from Advantica. This allows you to set > conditions using attributes instead of conditional text directly. One of > the > tutorials shows how it can be used for comments. I don't have the URL, but > if you Google Sourcerer, it should come up. I have been using it recently, http://my.advantica.biz/sourcerer/ > and highly recommend it. that looks promising. I'll have a look. -- cheers, Jakob. ___
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Hi Jakob, I would take a look at Sourcerer from Advantica. This allows you to set conditions using attributes instead of conditional text directly. One of the tutorials shows how it can be used for comments. I don't have the URL, but if you Google Sourcerer, it should come up. I have been using it recently, and highly recommend it. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hello, I've read chapter 17 "Conditional Text" of the User Guide several times in order to find out how I can do the following, but without success: I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this exact purpose. d like to use a paragraph-level element, "Comment" which I can hide or show. Authors can type as much or as few as is required in these elements. Once the document moves to the final layout check stage, we'll hide the Comments elements by switching Conditional Text off, and can then make the final adjustments for the print layout. Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that empty space. Could somebody tell me if that's possible, or not? In the latter case, I will be looking for another solution. Thanks in advance. -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: Conditional Text in structured documents?
Jakob, If you have a need for calling Sourcerer from another plugin or script, please let me know. Thanks. Rick Thanks Rick, On 12/01/06, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Jakob, I would take a look at Sourcerer from Advantica. This allows you to set conditions using attributes instead of conditional text directly. One of the tutorials shows how it can be used for comments. I don't have the URL, but if you Google Sourcerer, it should come up. I have been using it recently, http://my.advantica.biz/sourcerer/ and highly recommend it. that looks promising. I'll have a look. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional Text in structured documents?
Thanks Rick, On 12/01/06, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > I would take a look at Sourcerer from Advantica. This allows you to set > conditions using attributes instead of conditional text directly. One of the > tutorials shows how it can be used for comments. I don't have the URL, but > if you Google Sourcerer, it should come up. I have been using it recently, http://my.advantica.biz/sourcerer/ > and highly recommend it. that looks promising. I'll have a look. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional Text in structured documents?
Hi Jakob, I would take a look at Sourcerer from Advantica. This allows you to set conditions using attributes instead of conditional text directly. One of the tutorials shows how it can be used for comments. I don't have the URL, but if you Google Sourcerer, it should come up. I have been using it recently, and highly recommend it. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hello, I've read chapter 17 "Conditional Text" of the User Guide several times in order to find out how I can do the following, but without success: I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this exact purpose. d like to use a paragraph-level element, "Comment" which I can hide or show. Authors can type as much or as few as is required in these elements. Once the document moves to the final layout check stage, we'll hide the Comments elements by switching Conditional Text off, and can then make the final adjustments for the print layout. Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that empty space. Could somebody tell me if that's possible, or not? In the latter case, I will be looking for another solution. Thanks in advance. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text in structured documents?
Hello, I've read chapter 17 "Conditional Text" of the User Guide several times in order to find out how I can do the following, but without success: I want authors to be able to add comments that will not show up in the final printed document, but which can be exploited elsewhere, say, in the online version. Conditional Text seems to be created for this exact purpose. d like to use a paragraph-level element, "Comment" which I can hide or show. Authors can type as much or as few as is required in these elements. Once the document moves to the final layout check stage, we'll hide the Comments elements by switching Conditional Text off, and can then make the final adjustments for the print layout. Testing this out, I could indeed hide the text inside the element, but not the element itself, i.e. if the comment occupied one line, hiding it now showed one empty line, whereas I'd like to not even see that empty space. Could somebody tell me if that's possible, or not? In the latter case, I will be looking for another solution. Thanks in advance. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
