Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
What kind of XML will you have to produce and what plugins are not working?

FrameMaker doesn't really have templates. You just open an .fm or
.book file in a newer version and it's converted. I've opened FM6 in
FM10 without problems.

We use the word template loosely to mean the character and paragraph
tags, stuff on the Master and Reference pages, etc. (everything that
can be imported other than content).

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:11 AM, MacDonald, Helen
hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com wrote:

 It sounds like with the patch I can stay with FM8 and everything should go
 on as usual. Since I haven't yet had to produce XML I do not know how that
 will go. So far I have only had to deliver pdfs.

 My biggest concern is using the Template (created with FM6) with a newer
 version of FM.  I don't understand the relationship between the template and
 the version of software that it was created with. Whether or not this even
 matters? I was under the impression it did matter. Or it matters because the
 plugins do not work.
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Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-22 Thread Robert Lauriston
Oh, I missed that you're using structured FrameMaker. That does have templates.

If the plugins were broken by the switch from FM6 to FM8, post the
names of the plugins. Some might appear in the menu, others you might
identify only by looking in the fminit\plugins directory.

It's possible your company has a custom setup that's not compatible
with FM8 or any later version.
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RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-20 Thread Davis, David
Unless you are just using FrameMaker as a hobby,
I would go for the current version (Frame12).
Trying to deliver work on an obsolete unsupported version asking for trouble.
For instance, you might need to open a .fm file from a colleague - and if that 
file is from Frames 9, 10, 11 and 12, you can't.
A Microsoft update patch might break something in Frame8, and it won't be fixed.
And you will also be missing out on various new features (Google What's New 
FrameMaker  N where N = 9 to 12 ;)  )

David

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Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 08:21:25 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
To: MacDonald, Helen hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com,
framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version
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I wish I had a copy of FrameMaker 8, it is in many ways superior to later 
versions, especially if you prefer keyboard shortcuts to the mouse. Adobe 
layered a badly designed UI on top in FM9, the new UI broke a lot of things, 
they never fixed them. They've added some useful features but fundamentally it 
hasn't changed much since FM8 (which does have Unicode support).

People are successfully running FM8 on Windows 7, personally I'd try it before 
switching to a newer version.

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM, MacDonald, Helen 
hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com wrote:
 Hi Framers,


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RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Ede
Maybe there is somebody out their who can sell Robert their copy of FM 8 via a 
license transfer and then use that money to buy a new FM 12 license. (Or, 
better yet, work a swap via license transfer with him. I think he's on FM10.)

Craig

 From: david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 02:55:15 -0500
 Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version 
 
 Unless you are just using FrameMaker as a hobby,
 I would go for the current version (Frame12).
 Trying to deliver work on an obsolete unsupported version asking for trouble.
 For instance, you might need to open a .fm file from a colleague - and if 
 that file is from Frames 9, 10, 11 and 12, you can't.
 A Microsoft update patch might break something in Frame8, and it won't be 
 fixed.
 And you will also be missing out on various new features (Google What's New 
 FrameMaker  N where N = 9 to 12 ;)  )
 
 David
 
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 Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 08:21:25 -0700
 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 To: MacDonald, Helen hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com,
 framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 I wish I had a copy of FrameMaker 8, it is in many ways superior to later 
 versions, especially if you prefer keyboard shortcuts to the mouse. Adobe 
 layered a badly designed UI on top in FM9, the new UI broke a lot of things, 
 they never fixed them. They've added some useful features but fundamentally 
 it hasn't changed much since FM8 (which does have Unicode support).
 
 People are successfully running FM8 on Windows 7, personally I'd try it 
 before switching to a newer version.
 
 On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM, MacDonald, Helen 
 hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com wrote:
  Hi Framers,

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RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-20 Thread Davis, David
Helen, you can install the 30 day trial of Frame 12 from Adobe's site, and test 
your templates in it.
I would expect them to still work, however.

David

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From: MacDonald, Helen [mailto:hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com]
Sent: 20 May 2014 17:04
To: Davis, David
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

Thanks to everyone replying to my question.

Well, I am definitely not using this for a hobby...can't think of any hobby 
that would involve FM. (No offense intended.)

I am still not convinced which route to take - stay with FM8 or upgrade.
It sounds like with the patch I can stay with FM8 and everything should go on 
as usual. Since I haven't yet had to produce XML I do not know how that will 
go. So far I have only had to deliver pdfs.

My biggest concern is using the Template (created with FM6) with a newer 
version of FM.  I don't understand the relationship between the template and 
the version of software that it was created with. Whether or not this even 
matters? I was under the impression it did matter. Or it matters because the 
plugins do not work.

Having the latest software is usually a good thing but if it messes up all of 
the manuals I have created it would not be so good!

Any further insight will be appreciated.
Helen MacDonald
PTI Technologies Inc.



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:55 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

Unless you are just using FrameMaker as a hobby, I would go for the current 
version (Frame12).
Trying to deliver work on an obsolete unsupported version asking for trouble.
For instance, you might need to open a .fm file from a colleague - and if that 
file is from Frames 9, 10, 11 and 12, you can't.
A Microsoft update patch might break something in Frame8, and it won't be fixed.
And you will also be missing out on various new features (Google What's New 
FrameMaker  N where N = 9 to 12 ;)  )

David

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Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 08:21:25 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
To: MacDonald, Helen hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com,
framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I wish I had a copy of FrameMaker 8, it is in many ways superior to later 
versions, especially if you prefer keyboard shortcuts to the mouse. Adobe 
layered a badly designed UI on top in FM9, the new UI broke a lot of things, 
they never fixed them. They've added some useful features but fundamentally it 
hasn't changed much since FM8 (which does have Unicode support).

People are successfully running FM8 on Windows 7, personally I'd try it before 
switching to a newer version.

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM, MacDonald, Helen 
hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com wrote:
 Hi Framers,


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RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-20 Thread MacDonald, Helen
Thanks to everyone replying to my question.



Well, I am definitely not using this for a hobby...can't think of any hobby 
that would involve FM. (No offense intended.)



I am still not convinced which route to take - stay with FM8 or upgrade.

It sounds like with the patch I can stay with FM8 and everything should go on 
as usual. Since I haven't yet had to produce XML I do not know how that will 
go. So far I have only had to deliver pdfs.



My biggest concern is using the Template (created with FM6) with a newer 
version of FM.  I don't understand the relationship between the template and 
the version of software that it was created with. Whether or not this even 
matters? I was under the impression it did matter. Or it matters because the 
plugins do not work.



Having the latest software is usually a good thing but if it messes up all of 
the manuals I have created it would not be so good!



Any further insight will be appreciated.

Helen MacDonald

PTI Technologies Inc.




Hi Framers,

I am presently using structured FrameMaker version 8 on Windows XP. (And we 
seem to have lost the original software disks.)  Writing commercial airlines 
manuals using a template created for FrameMaker 6. And using SDI software to 
create the cgm graphics from eps files.

I have not had any problems using the template but plugins do not work.  I have 
not tried to output as XML so I don't know how that will go.  I have only been 
using FrameMaker for a little over a year and am the only TW in my company.

My company wants to move me off of XP to Windows 7.  And is looking to upgrade 
the FrameMaker to either version 10, 11, or 12. (These are the versions they 
can find to buy legal licenses with.)

Does anyone know if there will be any issues with a template created for 
FrameMaker 6 running on these newer versions?  Since I am fairly new to FM I 
don't cause myself extra grief.

I have opened a file (that I created in FM 8) in a trial version of FM 12 and 
it looks okay but I don't know if there are things going on behind the scenes. 
Are there things I should be looking for?

What issues might I have?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Helen MacDonald
PTI Technologies Inc.





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Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
The FM10 license belongs to the company that bought my old employer. I
haven't upgraded my personal copy since FM6 since I haven't needed it
for freelancing since then.

Unless and until it's possible to integrate FrameMaker with a wiki, I
can't see using it again except for legacy docs.

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 Maybe there is somebody out their who can sell Robert their copy of FM 8 via
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Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
I wish I had a copy of FrameMaker 8, it is in many ways superior to
later versions, especially if you prefer keyboard shortcuts to the
mouse. Adobe layered a badly designed UI on top in FM9, the new UI
broke a lot of things, they never fixed them. They've added some
useful features but fundamentally it hasn't changed much since FM8
(which does have Unicode support).

People are successfully running FM8 on Windows 7, personally I'd try
it before switching to a newer version.

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM, MacDonald, Helen
hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com wrote:
 Hi Framers,



 I am presently using structured FrameMaker version 8 on Windows XP. (And we
 seem to have lost the original software disks.)  Writing commercial airlines
 manuals using a template created for FrameMaker 6. And using SDI software to
 create the cgm graphics from eps files.



 I have not had any problems using the template but plugins do not work.  I
 have not tried to output as XML so I don’t know how that will go.  I have
 only been using FrameMaker for a little over a year and am the only TW in my
 company.



 My company wants to move me off of XP to Windows 7.  And is looking to
 upgrade the FrameMaker to either version 10, 11, or 12. (These are the
 versions they can find to buy legal licenses with.)



 Does anyone know if there will be any issues with a template created for
 FrameMaker 6 running on these newer versions?  Since I am fairly new to FM I
 don’t cause myself extra grief.



 I have opened a file (that I created in FM 8) in a trial version of FM 12
 and it looks okay but I don’t know if there are things going on behind the
 scenes. Are there things I should be looking for?



 What issues might I have?



 Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.



 Thank you for your time,



 Helen MacDonald

 PTI Technologies Inc.


 

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Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-19 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
F8 and F9 are working again in FM11. There is a slight delay the first 
time you use one of them, but other than that they are OK.


Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 16-May-14 6:21 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I wish I had a copy of FrameMaker 8, it is in many ways superior to
later versions, especially if you prefer keyboard shortcuts to the
mouse. Adobe layered a badly designed UI on top in FM9, the new UI
broke a lot of things, they never fixed them. They've added some
useful features but fundamentally it hasn't changed much since FM8
(which does have Unicode support).

People are successfully running FM8 on Windows 7, personally I'd try
it before switching to a newer version.

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM, MacDonald, Helen
hmacdon...@ptitechnologies.com wrote:

Hi Framers,



I am presently using structured FrameMaker version 8 on Windows XP. (And we
seem to have lost the original software disks.)  Writing commercial airlines
manuals using a template created for FrameMaker 6. And using SDI software to
create the cgm graphics from eps files.



I have not had any problems using the template but plugins do not work.  I
have not tried to output as XML so I don’t know how that will go.  I have
only been using FrameMaker for a little over a year and am the only TW in my
company.



My company wants to move me off of XP to Windows 7.  And is looking to
upgrade the FrameMaker to either version 10, 11, or 12. (These are the
versions they can find to buy legal licenses with.)



Does anyone know if there will be any issues with a template created for
FrameMaker 6 running on these newer versions?  Since I am fairly new to FM I
don’t cause myself extra grief.



I have opened a file (that I created in FM 8) in a trial version of FM 12
and it looks okay but I don’t know if there are things going on behind the
scenes. Are there things I should be looking for?



What issues might I have?



Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you for your time,



Helen MacDonald

PTI Technologies Inc.




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FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-16 Thread MacDonald, Helen
Hi Framers,

I am presently using structured FrameMaker version 8 on Windows XP. (And we 
seem to have lost the original software disks.)  Writing commercial airlines 
manuals using a template created for FrameMaker 6. And using SDI software to 
create the cgm graphics from eps files.

I have not had any problems using the template but plugins do not work.  I have 
not tried to output as XML so I don't know how that will go.  I have only been 
using FrameMaker for a little over a year and am the only TW in my company.

My company wants to move me off of XP to Windows 7.  And is looking to upgrade 
the FrameMaker to either version 10, 11, or 12. (These are the versions they 
can find to buy legal licenses with.)

Does anyone know if there will be any issues with a template created for 
FrameMaker 6 running on these newer versions?  Since I am fairly new to FM I 
don't cause myself extra grief.

I have opened a file (that I created in FM 8) in a trial version of FM 12 and 
it looks okay but I don't know if there are things going on behind the scenes. 
Are there things I should be looking for?

What issues might I have?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Helen MacDonald
PTI Technologies Inc.



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RE: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-16 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
You've already done the important step of testing out your FM8 material in a 12 
trial - your biggest changes will be the new UI and perhaps old fonts - Unicode 
came in there somewhere around FM7/8.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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Sent: May-14-14 12:54 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

Hi Framers,

I am presently using structured FrameMaker version 8 on Windows XP. (And we 
seem to have lost the original software disks.)  Writing commercial airlines 
manuals using a template created for FrameMaker 6. And using SDI software to 
create the cgm graphics from eps files.

I have not had any problems using the template but plugins do not work.  I have 
not tried to output as XML so I don't know how that will go.  I have only been 
using FrameMaker for a little over a year and am the only TW in my company.

My company wants to move me off of XP to Windows 7.  And is looking to upgrade 
the FrameMaker to either version 10, 11, or 12. (These are the versions they 
can find to buy legal licenses with.)

Does anyone know if there will be any issues with a template created for 
FrameMaker 6 running on these newer versions?  Since I am fairly new to FM I 
don't cause myself extra grief.

I have opened a file (that I created in FM 8) in a trial version of FM 12 and 
it looks okay but I don't know if there are things going on behind the scenes. 
Are there things I should be looking for?

What issues might I have?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Helen MacDonald
PTI Technologies Inc.



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Re: FrameMaker 8 to a Newer Version

2014-05-16 Thread Mike Wickham
Your FM8 templates should work fine in FM12 and you've already 
discovered that some plugins will need updates to work.


You said you lost your FM8 disk. It probably wouldn't work anyway, since 
there was a Windows change that broke it. You can download a fixed 
version of the installation file (labeled as XP SP3 fix) here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=Windows
You would, of course, need your license key to install it. If you've 
lost that, you should be able to get it from your My Adobe account. 
Otherwise, the free Belarc Advisor can retrieve it for you.


Mike Wickham

On 5/14/2014 11:53 AM, MacDonald, Helen wrote:


Hi Framers,

I am presently using structured FrameMaker version 8 on Windows XP. 
(And we seem to have lost the original software disks.)  Writing 
commercial airlines manuals using a template created for FrameMaker 6. 
And using SDI software to create the cgm graphics from eps files.


I have not had any problems using the template but plugins do not 
work.  I have not tried to output as XML so I don't know how that will 
go.  I have only been using FrameMaker for a little over a year and am 
the only TW in my company.


My company wants to move me off of XP to Windows 7.  And is looking to 
upgrade the FrameMaker to either version 10, 11, or 12. (These are the 
versions they can find to buy legal licenses with.)


Does anyone know if there will be any issues with a template created 
for FrameMaker 6 running on these newer versions?  Since I am fairly 
new to FM I don't cause myself extra grief.


I have opened a file (that I created in FM 8) in a trial version of FM 
12 and it looks okay but I don't know if there are things going on 
behind the scenes. Are there things I should be looking for?


What issues might I have?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Helen MacDonald

PTI Technologies Inc.




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